BarleyNY
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and yet here you have been saying "WTF are the eagles doing with their qb position" on this board.
imagine if a company hired you for a single position, and then the new boss brought in his old employee at a premium rate, and then pushed all the companies chips in on a young guy with a harvard degree.... you would probably want to go to a spot where you had a future.
if its just about being a starter - he is the starter right now. but almost no matter how well he plays he will not be the starter for the eagles next year. if they lied to him about plans and stability is important to him i dont think the shame him for not buying in is really warranted.
if we signed chase daniel and then traded up to 2 would you be upset with tyrod for being upset?
Maybe some people would be angry about having to compete. But I'd wager that if the company in question had enticed most of us into signing a 2 year contract with them by offering us $35M, including $22M guaranteed, then most of us would be okay with the situation. In NFL terms that's a pretty good QB money, but a 2 year deal isn't a big commitment. It's a "show me" deal.
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Yep there's always the tag. But let's not get ahead of ourselves…..The Bills also have the option of putting the Franchise tag and then evaluating Tyrod one more year. The Bills hold all the cards...And if they do pick a QB in this draft, then it puts pressure on Tyrod to not skip any activities.
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Cheat
Yup.
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Our favorite Eagles fan responds......TOTALLY NSFW!!!!!!!!!!
My favorite part was him dropping a couple dozen F bombs, the b-word multiple times and even the n-word a couple times, but using a euphemism for ass. 'Cause he wouldn't want to come off as crude or anything.
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Let me step in. I am in favor of locking up Taylor now if possible in a cap-friendly way. Flame away.
No kidding. Wasn't getting to this statement your whole point when you started the thread? At least you didn't start this one with "Tyrod's feeling will be hurt if we don't pay him now!" My first thought upon reading the original post was "I wonder how long it'll take for Promo to get to his 'Pay Tyrod' conclusion?" Your premise that there'll be only one and only one quality QB in the draft is ridiculous by the way. Could be zero. Could be several. Could be one. Every draft is a snowflake. Every QB prospect has to be evaluated on their own merits. But, dude, please put this on the shelf. Come back and I-told-you-so us to death if the current tact blows up on the Bills and Taylor moves on and is a stud elsewhere. We'll remember your stance, honest.
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I think it's Wentz. This was taken the evening of the 19th and the trade was announced on the 20th. The deal was probably already agreed upon and with the league for approval.Yeah, I get it but if they make the playoffs do they still sit Wentz/Goff for 2 -3 years?
https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/722440498212904960
Bradford has a huge salary next season and he's been so fragile I'd think the expectation is that they move on, but a lot could happen. Like you say, Bradford could stay healthy and light it up or maybe Wentz doesn't look ready. Or some of both.
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He could do this. Recouping cap space requires teams to recoup actual cash from players - and it's very difficult to do. But maybe Bradford negotiates some partial or total payback of his signing bonus to get traded to a team he wants to play for. I'm sure he'd sign a new deal for the new team too.Unless he retires, I'm not sure a player can just simply give back money.
Browns fans are overjoyed right now.
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Carson Wentz : Eagles
Jared Goff : Rams
Ezekiel Elliot : Giants
Laquon Treadwell : Texans
Paxton Lynch : Jets
Bills Pick (bonus) : Doctson
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Sammy didn't dog it. It's that simple dude.
If Sammy didn't get his targets would he have dogged it? We don't know, but that's the big difference between the two situations. The coaches gave one of those guys what they wanted after they bitched to the media, but not the other. For the record I thought both were right in what they said, but wrong by taking it out of the locker room. And Mario sure as hell shouldn't have dogged it, but I'm not going to sit here and assume Sammy would have reacted better or worse if he didn't get what he wanted.
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I was just talking about lb from Alabama like 3 days ago
They benefit from an awesome dline in front of them. They are usually run stuffers at best
Im not sure which of you is right and until Ragland is on an NFL squad I don't think we will get much clarity. I've been wary of Ragland not only because of the talent in front of and around him, but also because it often seems like the Bama staff usually maximizes the level of play of their kids. I don't know how much he can still grow as a player and that's a big concern. The 13 reps is rough, too. But maybe he will be quality player with a more even level of talent around and against him. Maybe he will still be able to develop and improve. Maybe he will be more CJ Mosley than Courtney Upshaw. But I'll be concerned if he's the pick and I won't rest easy until I see him perform well as an NFL player because I can't get a good read on him and I think there is a lot of risk with him.Do you think CJ Mosely is "at best a run stuffer?" Mosely is what we wished Kiko to be and 10x more. Ragland doesn't cover the pass as well as CJ, but he can cover some and he is MUCH stronger.National title or not, I don't think that many understand the 2015 Crimson Tide.They were great because of the defense, which had 8 or 9 players on the DL who were spectacular. It was hard for lbs to get many sacks in their system because the linemen were applying just so much pressure, and the dbs occasionally were sent in to blitz.If there is any concern about Ragland, it is the 13 reps at the combines which was strange. Some say he was hurt but who knows? I do really think that he would take a far more active role on the Bills than he did on the Tide. I am NOT being a wiseass but Rex sends players such as Dareus and Mario Williams on pass coverage, or has them standing there jumping and waving in an idiotic system. Kirby Smart let his linemen do their job.My point is that Ragland would have far more responsibilities on the Bills. I don't know how many games he would win us, nor how many games we even CAN win with Rex. What I DO know is that Ragland is a fine player who is big, strong, quick, smart, and listens to his coaches, and I have watched him in every game he has ever played at Alabama.
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While I don't agree with all of the finer points of the article - like assuming that Roman's offense was structured the way it was due to his general preference versus because he was fitting it to personnel - but I totally agree that WR, RT, NT, ILB & OLB are the top five needs of the Bills. I also agree that WR is the #1 offensive need, that it is a deep draft for DL and a NT might be had later than the first round. I'd put ILB and OLB on par for top defensive pick, but they made a good point about getting a 3 down ILB to run the defense. Their choice of Lee (ILB) would be a fine pick at 19 and I'd be happy, but I'd be happier with Doctson (WR) there. You gotta find out if Taylor can be the guy and you gotta find out this year.Pretty good, unbiased piece making arguments for which position the Bills should take in round 1.
http://buildingtheherd.com/scout-team/nfl-draft/2016-nfl-draft-bills-offense-defense/
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So you're saying teams should never draft a QB? Evaluate the talent available. If there's a prospect you are confident can be a quality QB and you can reasonably acquire him, then you pull the trigger. You've got to trust your scouts.That of all the QBs discussed in this draft we'll be lucky if one capable starter emerges. That's just the reality. Every year we talk like there are 4-5-6 viable options and most of these guys are selling cars within 2 years.
That said do you really want the Bills to pass on a player who can realistically contribute to pick what is essentially a lottery ticket? I don't.
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Thanks for posting.
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I actually think Mario is an intelligent player, he's just a selfish entitled person who only wants to do what he wants to do.
Mario: I need to be rushing the passer, not dropping into coverage.
Fans: What a selfish, entitled jerk! He should do what the coaches tell him to do.
Sammy: I need the ball thrown to me more.
Fans: He's right! Those stupid coaches should get him the ball more!
smh
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Talking about trading away players for picks I'd say yes to Glenn and no to Gilmore as the latter will play a significant role in Ryan's defensive scheme.
Glenn should end up with an 11 mill per payday and although he has looked like an above average LT some years and that kind of money would put him in the top five. I don't think he is anywhere near worth that much money per.
Another player that was not mentioned is Marcell Dareus who really has no fit in Ryan's 3-4 two-gap and trading him could really help with cap relief going forward. Last year the Bills said they were playoff ready and built to win now, and yet the defense took multiple steps backwards and needs a rebuild away from the dominate 4-3 they had become to Ryan's 3-4. I can see Whaley trading away Dareus for picks to build Ryan's defense very quickly.
Then, should Whaley not be entirely sold on Tyrod Taylor as the long term answer at QB I could see the Bills moving around to get a QB, LT and perhaps even a RB in this draft along with some defensive players. JMO
Did somene say trade Dareus????? Wow.
Dareus isn't mentioned as a trade candidate because that would result in $27M in dead money, which would INCREASE his 2016 cap hit by $12.5M, which the Bills don't have. So there's that. I don't disagree about him being a poor fit in Rex's defense though, but that's on Rex not Dareus. Mario wasn't the only expensive player that doesn't fit Rex's defense, he was just the easiest to part ways with. Guys like Dareus and Hughes aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Fair enough. I'm good with Bandits numbers, I remember him presenting those a month or so ago and they made a ton of sense. I'm not as high on Gilmore as a lot of folks and if he is demanding anything close to Norman/Revis I'm parting ways for max value. Your right the 33rd pick may be well beyond his value at this point.
When you say no way he signs before the draft that is more on the team than Gilmore and his agent, correct?
Well, at this point the team probably doesn't have the time to devote to doing it as they are in full draft mode. Gilmore's agent is probably busy with his players in the draft as well. Plus he'd want to wait until closer to the start of the season, or at least training camp, so he'd have more leverage in negotiations. Also Whaley is on a time crunch with Glenn due to the negotiation window for tagged players so he's probably going to do that deal first anyway.
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Take him to the table and offer 25-28 guaranteed and 11.5 or so per. If he is insulted I'm seeing if I can get the Titans 33rd pick.
Norman broke the bank, good for him he had a great season at the best possible time.
Prior to Norman's deal Bandit estimated Gilmore's next contract to be for 5 years at $65.5M with $32.5M guaranteed. I still think that's reasonable for him if it gets done this offseason. No way does he sign a deal before the draft and there's no way the Bills would get the 33rd overall pick for him on his current one-year contract. They're just going to have to let this play itself out and try to get him at fair deal. That should happen, but if he's not reasonable there's always a limit and sometimes you've got to say no.
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Gotta give the guy credit. He stuck to his guns and got PAID. This was his one and only chance at a huge payday and he got it.
This one hurts us
Yeah it does. Dan Snyder has been very restrained for a couple years now. He just couldn't control himself anymore.
Ugh. Gilmore is a better all-around CB than Norman too. This sucks.
What does "all around" even mean in this case? Norman is probably the top zone corner in the NFL right now. Gilmore isn't the top corner in any category. He's an excellent corner, but nobody who is unbiased is saying he's as good a corner as Norman.
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End of draft compensatory pick, UDFA or wait and see. It's a shame, but he likely won't play a down in the NFL.
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Exactly what team is going to give us a high enough pick for Glenn or Gilmore that an equivalent talent can be found in the draft? Let's see. I could either draft a quality OT or CB in the first round and have that player for 4 to 5 years on a cheap contractBased off of who the Bills think is more valuable. What do you think of the Bills trading Glenn or Gilmore for a 1st rounder, Drafting a CB or LT to replace them and getting another 1 in return. This frees up even more cap room with their cheaper replacement. I just don't see how they can sign Taylor glenn gilmore, woods next year, and eventually Watkins.
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I could trade that pick for an established player on a one year deal that's will cost me far more than the draftee's entire initial 4 year contract.
Hmmmmmm.......
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I've looked into Lynch more recently and I've cooled on him. Physically he's just about perfect for a quarterback, but he looks slow processing information on the field. That's a killer in my book if it can't be corrected. If I'm right, then he won't be around in the NFL long so I'd pass.
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The Bills are ahead of Raiders and Browns .
Raiders have turned it around now and Browns moneyball parlay could do the same.
Yeah, the Raiders have made some excellent picks lately. They've taken several of my favorites the last few years.
It'll be interesting to see how the Browns do this draft. They started off well with their trade, but now to the picks.....
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He'll get over it and will be with a new team in 2017.
He's got a hundred million reasons to get over it.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshNorris/status/722440498212904960
In case you were wondering which QB was going to LA and which was going to Philly, this looks pretty definitive......
Sam Bradford Wants Out of Philly; Crawls Back to Eagles
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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He's probably going to get traded or released after 2016. If he plays well and stays healthy Philly will trade him to a team that will want to lock him down for longer because no one will give much for him on a one year deal. That means he will still have say in where he goes. There's a chance that the Iggles would keep him for the 2017 if they weren't ready to move on to Wentz, but that would be what he signed up for. If he doesn't play well/stay healthy he'll get paid $22M for one season (or less) of quarterbacking the Iggles and can move on to wherever he wants. They aren't going to keep him on the bench for an extra $13M.