BarleyNY
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I can guarantee you that you're wrong.
Trading Dareus causes the team to take a $33M cap hit...do people really STILL not understand how the cap works?
That is correct. Very few people understand how the cap works. Most are also bad at math and critical thinking.
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You dump Tyrod the chances of you getting anything better are very low. The season will be a tire fire, IMO.
Who gives a **** about QB controversy. Competition is healthy and brings out the best in people. Turmoil my ass.
LMAO! Seriously? You think McD should start his new regime by ensuring a divided locker room? Wow. Okay, but I'm going to disagree with that. Also, his goal should be to win a championship and he should focus on acquiring a QB who can help him achieve that. I'd be ecstatic if the Bills take a step back in 2018, but improve their long term outlook to where they should be able to compete for a title. That'd beat the hell out of watching a mediocre team with no shot at a Super Bowl try to squeak into the playoffs for a few more seasons.
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Pegs would have to approve of a tank job and be looking long term, so why would he fire the GM for carrying out that plan?
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1) I agree that they need to keep Taylor, but this should not preclude them from bringing in another potential franchise guy
2) Lots to comment on here, but I'll keep it brief. Compare Gilmore's tackle numbers and coverage stats to the other top-5 corners in the NFL--he's equal or better in each category. To assume that a 6th round pick with very little experience can not only step into his role as the #1 corner, but be worthy of an extension (which the CBA doesn't allow him to get until after the 2018 season) is crazy talk--no offense.
3) The team definitely needs another starting WR, but again, that doesn't preclude them from evaluating the QB. He's leaving plays on the field routinely.
4) Oh stop. Woods may not be a #1, but let's not pretend that he's not a solid player. He'll get more than what's reasonable valuation on the open market, but I'd take him back in a heartbeat if it were at a reasonable rate--he runs crisp routes, has good hands, blocks well, and competes on every snap.
5) Praying is not planning. They need to pick up bodies at safety--they ought to hit the cap casualty market for a guy like Byrd or Bethea.
6) Drafting a QB is a no-brainer if they feel that a guy has franchise potential, but they shouldn't do it just for the sake of doing it. Optimize value--use your picks to get guys that offer long-term impact.
7) What Dareus needs more than anything is sound leadership from his HC
8) No question that they'll be going back to a 43
You mean cut him?
No.
First, he's a very, very good football player.
Second, it would cost the team a $33M cap hit to cut him.
Bandit, I agree with everything here except keeping Taylor. I don't know how you give him that extension based on the plays he leaves on the field. What's more, I can't see the Bills giving him that extension and immediately undermining him by drafting his replacement early in the draft - quite probably at 10. The QB controversy would begin before the draft concluded. No incoming coaching staff is going to want that turmoil before they even have their first practice.
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Impressive takedown of Jacoby Brissett!
That was his one win vs seven .500 teams!
Deactivate his badge and throw that extension in the shredder asap.
An injured Jacoby Brissett
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It's sad that the question is which will make the playoffs first, not which will win a championship first. The bar in Buffalo is low.
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What did you guys see while at that games that was more convincing than just watching from home? I want to move on from TT as well, just curious as to why seeing him on the field had left you both feeling the same way. Missed plays? Demeanor? Both?
A whole lot of obvious missed plays and poor ball placement on short and intermediate throws. Let me explain about the missed plays. Every quarterback misses plays after things break down. That's not what I'm talking about. Taylor just flat out didn't get the ball out on a lot of plays. When and when he should've gone with the ball was obvious. They should've been "bang, bang, ball is ou"t. But far too often he'd just hold it. That had to be frustrating for the team.
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But I think the question is do we keep TT and work on a seamless transition to a draftee in the next couple years, find a different vet instead or draft a guy to be week 1 starter. As it stands I don't really see the tanking option as a real option right now.
I agree. My recommendation is to keep him and draft a qb this year with a high pick. The tanking option is an absurd position to take. As it stands you can turn over a third of your roster with the normal player movement from one season to the next. Cleaning house to start over makes little sense because if you do that it would set you back even further.
I totally understand not wanting to take a step back at the QB position. That's definitely valid. The problem is the contract. If his option is picked up, then Taylor is a well paid Bill for at least 2-3 seasons. I don't see how a team picks up such a substantial option and then immediately undermines him by taking a QB high in the draft. That would get ugly in a hurry.
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Benoit, who studies film of all the NFL games for the MMQB, chose one position as each team's biggest weakness and need to addressthis offseason. Bills = QB. He's studied his film for 2 years. WGR brought him on, and his statement will be familiar to those who especially who look at the all-22 or watch the games live.http://www.si.com/nfl/2017/02/09/2017-nfl-draft-free-agency-team-needs?xid=socialflow_twitter_si
Tyrod analysis starts at 11:17
Beyond what we've been discussing on accuracy and lack of pocket presence, he examines why stats can't capture the most debilitating part of his game, which is leaving plays on the field. This is the most frustrating thing for fans ...as well as I'd imagine coaches and players.
Is this something that can improve in time, with different coaches and system? He indicates there are plays designed to be easy reads that he still does not make. I hope Whaley and mcdermott know whether or not he is capable of seeing the field and just needs development or if this is something he's not going to ever get if he hasn't already.
The comment about the All-22 and watching him live is spot on. I was in the fence until I saw Taylor live. Against the Browns no less. That was all it took for me to be 100% certain that the Bills have to move on and find an upgrade.
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I did already......but I will try again.
You have somehow calculated the max value of his deal from 2017-2021(5 seasons) at $102.5M.
But according to the Sportrac data you linked the max value of the deal was only $90M..........and that was INCLUDING bonus money added to his $2.5M 2016 base salary.
So the remaining total value to be spread out over 5 years is therefore approximately $85M.
The mistake appears to be that you are counting the option bonuses TWICE.
Once the deal is activated those "option bonuses" become a signing bonus... triggering the deal........hence the big jump in cash outlay in 2017.
But you are then adding each option bonus back into his base salary AGAIN each season.
That's not the case..........they would have already been paid........they just show up "annually" on sportrac because that is how they would be amortized.
None of that is true. To use your parlance, YOUR READING COMPREHENSION SUCKS, BRO! I stated clearly that I posted the figures for how his salary would average on a yearly basis depending upon how many years he would remain a Bill under that deal. That post was in response the the assertion that his extension was for an average salary of $15M. I was pointing out that the $15M average was low regardless how long he would play under that deal and that it could be substantially more if he was very short term. Here's the breakdown with the math.
If Taylor was kept through the 2017 season he'd cost $30.75M ($15.5M Option Bonus + $12M base salary + $3.25M of his 2018 salary fully guarantee on 3/11/2017).
If he was kept through the 2018 season his average salary would be $20.25M ($30.75M + remaining $9.75M of 2018 salary which guarantees on 3rd league day of 2018 season = $40.5M total. $40.5M/2 = $20.25M)
If he's kept through 2019 his average salary would be $18.0M ($40.5M + $13.6M = $54.1M total. $54.1M/3=$18.0M)
Kept through 2020 his ave salary would be $17.0M ($54.1M + $13.85M = $67.95M. $67.95M/4=$17M)
Kept through 2021 his ave salary would be $16.5M ($67.95M + $14.55 = $82.5M. $82.5M/5=$16.5M)
Hopefully this is obvious enough for you.
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A big problem with rookie WRs is that they usually take at least a season to get comfortable with the NFL game (if they ever do). Finding two serviceable - or better - WRs in FA is a must. Then add to that where you find value in the draft.
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YOUR MATH IS BAD BRO
Feel free to work out the numbers yourself and show me what you got.
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Ahem.
If you are using sportrac numbers you linked you are about $17M long on your 5 year total.
It was a 5 year $90M deal but $4.3M was added into last years pay.
It's basically a $17M per year deal over the next 5 years......not $20.5M per as your numbers would suggest.
That's more than $15M but if considered spread over 6 years his compensation would have averaged $15.5M per........which is where that number came from.
I used raw numbers moving forward starting this season. Only money paid and money that becomes guaranteed this season forward in my calculations. Everything in my post is correct.
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It'd be great, but Allen should be the second player drafted this year. No way does he get close to 10 unless some heretofore unknown major issue rears its ugly head.
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Or OJ Howard... A few mocks I've seen have us taking him at 10... Most versatile weapon in the draft... Line him up at TE, No Linebacker/SS can cover him.... Line him up at WR, and no corner can elevate high enough to challenge his 6'6" frame..... OJ Howard @ 10 seems like a no-brainer to me...
I'd have zero problem with OJ Howard becoming a Bill.
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Are those contract dollars or guaranteed dollars?
Both. I factored guaranteed dollars into the season they became guaranteed. Non-guaranteed money is factored into the season it would be earned. The only difference is $3.25M of his 2018 salary guarantees this season if his option is picked up. That's the only contract money that is guaranteed in a season in which it isn't paid.
I have heard that the Bills would be in line for a 3d round compensatory pick if they do not pick up the option and TT signs with another team. (Not sure if that would be in '17 or '18 draft.) If true, that is likely a consideration.
This would be true of almost every situation like this, but it appears that there is a clause in his contract that requires his release by the team rather than just becoming a free agent when his option is not picked up. Details are sketchy so I'm not sure, but there are reports that this is the case.
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A starting QB for 15MM/yr? Don't be so sure.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/
At no point would Taylor's extension be that cheap. He starts off very, very expensive and then the yearly average compensation drops off, but never gets that low. Here is a quick breakdown:
Year 1 - $30.75M
Year 2 - $20.25M/yr
Year 3 - $18.0M/yr
Year 4 - $17.0 M/yr
Year 5 - $16.5M/yr
Disclaimer: Those compensation averages are not the same as the yearly cap hits and do not include the signing bonus paid to Taylor in 2016.
The obvious problem with this contract is that a team would have to committed to having Taylor as their long term starter to make the deal close to worthwhile. Add draft pick compensation to that and nobody is trading for Taylor.
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Middle of the pack last season, but a tick above if injured and suspended players are included. With all of the FAs and uncertainty moving forward at some important positions I'd say they're a little below average right now. Obviously that could change with re-signings and new additions.
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Why would he pay so much for a run down building? And why did they seek to keep the price secret? The article says 2 buildings a t 2 addresses.
Alternatively, why would such a building still in use be so ridiculously assessed (which is different from its value)? That's a tax break/deal the company worked out with the city, no doubt. That's the deal Pegula will get as well.
I do know that a bunch of Pegulas' people were touring breweries in an obvious "we're starting a brewery of our own" fashion. I expect that this will be the location for it. Would be a nice thing to have near not only Key Center, but also a new football stadium.The building has entrances on 2 streets (hence the 2 addresses). I'm sure that their are tax benefits and development plans for it. As it stands now though, that's what they have.
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Listening to John Murphy show yesterday while driving around - I heard Donald talk about players being developed in the NFL.
Donald said that "a lot" of coaches in the NFL do not actually teach technique to players. Instead they just make sure the players know the playbook.
He explained that some coaches are more interested in keeping their job and moving up the ladder. That is the reason he used as why the coaches focus on the playbook. If you think about it, it makes sense. If a player has bad technique, the player gets blamed for failure. If the player doesn't know the play, then it looks like the position coach is not doing his job.
Donald went on to explain that a lot of times, the player is what he is when he is drafted. And the player is left to succeed or fail based on his own ability.
You would think that every position coach is there to teach proper technique and that would be their primary focus. Apparently it isn't.
He did specifically credit Sanjay Lal (Bills wide receiver coach) as being a great coach who actually teaches techniques and route running.
I wonder what kind of coaches McDermott has brought in here? Are they technique teachers or are they playbook guys?
Explains a lot. And also explains why some players don't get better. I hope we have technique teachers.
First, thanks for sharing what you heard and starting a thread on a worthwhile topic (which are pretty rare right now). Last year I caught a related tidbit about the Browns as one anonymous player noted that there was more coaching done at the first practice under Hue Jackson than there had been by the previous 3 coaching regimes combined. That says a lot about why they have been so bad for so long. I really hope McD and his staff are the right kind of coaches and do well here.
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Nowhere in the original post did it say that Tyrod would be traded during the draft. And if no team is interested in TT with his current contract, why is TT's camp unwilling to take a restructure? I'll chip in an answer - because tampering happens all the time, and TT's camp knows he will get paid if he gets freed. Why else post videos of his physical activity after trying to set up a grievance through his surgery?
The original post, number 3 specifically discusses a draft day trade of Taylor. That's why I responded to that in number 3 of my post.
Taylor isn't interested in renegotiating with the Bills because he'd rather be able to negotiate with all 32 teams instead of just 1 if the Bills don't pick up his option. Besides, there's always the chance that they'll pick it up anyway.
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The trade window opens for the trade to actually happen when the new league year starts, but teams can negotiate trade parameters for players that will be under contract prior to that. The only snag is that it is a moot point since no other team will take on Taylor's contract.
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Jesus how many threads do we need on the QB situation?
I'm guessing it's one thread for every poster who has a question or theory about the QB situation, but doesn't bother to look at any existing thread.
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Option bonus isn't payable until third or fourth day if the league year. So he can be traded without the cap ramifications. Could happen. Obviously would have to be traded before bonus paid.
I was specifically addressing the OPs scenario of TT being traded during the draft. And I also noted that no team is interested in TT with his current contract.
My Realistic Off-Season 8 step Plan
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So let's just say they get a Tubisky, Kizer, Watson or Mahomes somewhere in the first or early second round. That's a highly drafted QB to me. Then what happens when Taylor leaves plays on the field in 2018? Watkins already has complained about not getting the ball enough and has shown frustration with Taylor. Tyrod and the team would have to be doing very well to stave off issues. .500 isn't going to cut it and worse would be, well, worse. Do you honestly believe that players won't want to see the highly drafted QB get on the field?
A team just can't give a QB an extension like Tyrod's and then immediately draft another QB high. They'll be a laughingstock - and they'll have earned it. If you commit to a QB like that, you have to use your resources to help him. I'm just imagining Mike Williams sitting there at 10, but the Bills taking Deshaun Watson instead. That message would be clear: "Tyrod, we aren't focused on your success. You're our 2 year, $40.5M bridge." And he shouldn't complain about that kind of money, but that's only because it'd be a ridiculous amount to spend on a bridge - which is the other problem.