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Dan

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  1. How many fans wouldn't attend games in Toronta if they were paid $10,000 pre game to attend (or some such figure)? Ask yourself if you would turn that down, on principle, before deciding that Andre is turning his back on anyone. Its hard to judge a guy trying to earn a dollar, IMO.
  2. The list seems brutal, because we're only considering playoff teams that year as quality teams. That very much limits the field. So there's only 12 quality teams in total each year? And the Bills play about 3 to 6 of those, not necessarily on the road. The year the Pats went 11-5 and did not make the palyoffs, were they not a quality team? Not saying we best them, just suggesting that quality teams could be defined by more than just playoff teams.
  3. That's the problem. The whole team is average, starting with the coaches going right to the QB. Until we get a coaching staff that has a clue about how to call a game, game plan for specific opponents, and utilize the talent they have; and a QB that can perform at an NFL level... we'll see the same thing. All while we continue to run good players out of town, only to watch them play very well for other teams.
  4. Best post in the thread, and pretty much ends the discussion. However, I will add... It seems to me WNY suffers from plain old normal depression more than economic depression. The saddest part of reading this thread are all the posters that have simply given up. We're too poor, not big enough, nothing good will ever happen here... so why even try, just give in and let the world pass us by, we can't ever be better.
  5. 2 questions... Why is this going all in on this year? I can't recall the last time a rookie WR was the final piece to take a perrenial 6-10 team to the playoffs. Why does this signal the end of Stevie? It seems TJ, Hogan and just about all the other scrubs should be worried. But, you certainly don't build a team by cutting your top players the second you draft someone. And before everyone chimes in on how bad Stevie is... he's easily one of the best WRs ...on the Bills' team. This was a bold move, no doubt. But, I does it completely change this franchise? I'm not so sure about that. EJ's success, or lack of, will do that
  6. I agree. ...with both of you. I think Marrone and Whaley et al. are here til we get a new owner regardless of the record, even if that takes 5yrs. However, if a quick sale goes down, this could very well be their last season ...especially if they don't turn the team around. IMO, the only way a new owner doesn't put his stamp on the team immediately by replacing the FO is if they're winning. and even then its still likely to happen.
  7. It's about all we can do
  8. And Lynch was run out of town for his off field actions, one strike from being suspended, good riddance. All he's done is play hard every year since leaving Buffalo and help another team win the Super Bowl. I'm not say.... I'm just sayin.
  9. If Marrone is coming off a losing season, and you fire him, you have to replace him. However, if the team does not have new ownership, who is going to want to take the job? Everyone knows that a new owner almost certainly means an entirely new organization.. President, GM, Coaches, you name it. So who's going to want that job? Hacket maybe.
  10. I agree. Look no further than the Browns for an example of fan support being neglected by an owner wanting to move. However, a winning, play off team seems harder to move than a 6-10 team. With all that said, my point in starting this thread wasn't so much to start another "the Bills may move" thread, but more a "Russ, Whaley and Marrone are likely here for the duration" thread. Like it or not, this is the core of the team manangement and no matter the record, I can't see any of them getting fired until a new owner comes in, whether that be 1, 2. or 3 years from now. And if they manage to get this team winning again... soon... they'll give the new owner and the league something extra to consider. I'd imagine.
  11. They may hold the Bills' future in their hands. With the Bills going into a trust, to be sold at some point in the future, they (and the rest of the FO) are here to build this team and try to make it a winner for at least a couple more years. No chance Marrone gets canned as long as this team is in trust. If they do build a winning team, with a play off appearance, I think it changes everything when a new owner comes in. Conversely, it's easier to move if the team tanks it from here out. You gotta wonder... will they develop an us against the league mentality and pull closer together to do all they can with this one shot or will they ride it out?
  12. I think his comments were extremely appropriate, heartfelt, honest, and expressed quite succintly the prevailing mindset of a great many of us Bills' fans. There has been a cloud over this franchise since the 70's regarding a potential move. With Ralph's passing, it seems the end to all that speculation is near. We'll finally get some resolution. The Bills will get a new owner and, relatively soon, either the new owner(s) will stay in Buffalo or they won't. But, at this point in time, rain or shine on us. I don't really care, not today. For the time being, I want to remember all my fond memories of the Bills and my family. I'll forever love my Buffalo Bills for all they represent to me, my family, my heritage. This talk of staying or going can just go away; I'm tired of it too. So, to your point, I think Scott has done, and continues, to speak very well for Bills Nation and see little need to entertain the notion of creating sterile talking points in a vain attempt to sway some millionaire that gives little care to what the true fans of this team think.
  13. I truly hoped this day would never come. Not only because of the uncertainty it creates for our beloved Bills, but more so because the world and the NFL need more honorable people like Ralph in it. I pray for his family. He touched all our lives, gave us something to cheer for, something to dream about, something to pass on to our children and grand children... and that may be the least of his accomplishments. I will forever be grateful to be a Buffalo Bills fan and a Ralph Wilson fan.
  14. In all fairness, it's been so long I can understand how someone might lose county. ;-) Personally, I'm less concerned with making the playoffs and would be excited just to see a winning season. It's been 9yrs (I believe) since we've even had that! ....Yes, I'll settle for baby steps after the last 2 decades of rebuilding.
  15. And that is the most important point. We're a better team with Chandler and a draft pick, then say... Gragg and a draft pick next year. It's simple, if you want to build you have to keep your better players and add to them. We all get pissed, and rightfully so, when good players like Byrd walk away. But, this isn't one of those situations. The best TE on our roster, by far, was just extended. That's a good thing. Maybe Gragg develops, maybe they draft some stud. I don't know. But, the first step to solidifying the TE position is re-signing the best one on your team. So I say good move. Now, hopefully they follow it up with another good move.
  16. I haven't read every post or article lately... but where are the numbers on the Bills' offer to Byrd? $7.5/yr takes quite a bit of incentives to get to "about" $30 over 3yrs.
  17. As I see it, none of it really matters. Over the last decade, we've signed some of the best FAs, no body FAs, mid-tier FAs. We've drafted good players; we've drafted bad. We've let guys walk. We've also re-signed guys. But, nothing has given us a winning record... let alone a play off birth. So, there's lly no senseto get too bent out of shape over it all. Ya know why? This is a QB diven league. If EJ pans out to be an above average QB, then everything else starts to look better. If he's a bust, we'll be getting a new coaching staff in a couple of years and starting again. It's that simple. Every team that consistently maks the playoffs has one thing in common - an above average QB. All the bottom feeders... fill in one scrub after the next lookin.. hopin.
  18. Did they not do this with Stevie, Fred, Wood, Pears, A. Williams, McKelvin, K. Williams? Quite honestly, the notion that the Bills' FO does not negotiate early or re-sign their own players is completely falling apart. There are plenty of examples where they do. I'm not saying they get everything right, not by any means. But, they do plenty to bring in new players and re-sign current players that they think will help the team. Problem is... you just disagree on which players they're keeping and letting go or so it seems.
  19. If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say the roughly $30m in 3yrs was highly incentive with a base much much lower. I think the way the negotiations went last year followed by his sitting out, waiting to be 100%, likely left more than a few people in the FO not wanting to guarantee him anything unless he guaranteed a certain amount of playing time, off season time, etc.
  20. Exactly. No team is perfect at doing this; however, the Bills have sucked more than most. Hopefully, they're improving.
  21. I completely agree, but I think a lot of people neglect that it takes two to negotiate. (not saying you are, just speaking generally) Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't recall reports of AW's agent and the Bills talking even a few weeks ago. So let's say the Bills' FO approached him a few weeks ago wanting to extend AW. But, AW and his agent decide... no, let's wait a year and see what kind of year he had. Then next year, reports come out that AW, after having a great year, wants to test the FA market. People here are screaming we should have extended him in 2014. And we get more... the Bills are a wreck, Ralph is cheap, they never sign their own, etc. When the reality is they tried, but the player/agent didn't want an extension. Perhaps, maybe that could partly explain why the FO was so cheap and incompetent in the Byrd negotiations yet so awesomely good with AW. Just a thought for perspective... We can't keep every player. We can't sign any FA we want. That's just the way it goes. Yes, sometimes it may be due to the FO's incompetence. But it may, at times, it may be due to an agent/player just wanting to test the market. Without being privy to the negotiations, it's pure specualtion as to which is more prevalent.
  22. What's worse.... a player with chronic PF or a player that fakes chronic PF to get out of a contract? At this point, I think its time to move on from Byrd. He just didn't want to play for the Bills, for whatever his reasons. The Bills have shown that they're more than willing to negotiate with and extend their own players with very fair market value contracts. The AW deal is just further proof of that. We don't know all the details of their offer to Byrd but if, as reported, it was about $10 mill/yr then what more should the FO have offered? I'm sure there was plenty of small print that could have been the deal breaker. But it seems to me that dollar amount is prettty much right where it should have been. Perhaps its just time to admit that Byrd didn't want to play in Buffalo, regardess of their offer. And was willing to sit out, fake injury, do whatever... to get out.
  23. Like I said, it's going to be interesting to see how much more another team pays him. Because if he just wanted out of Buffalo, regardless, then I wouldn't tag him either. If you're trying to change the culture and build a team of guys fighting for each other, you don't keep guys around that aren't buying into your plans, even if you can get another 10 good games out of him.
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