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The hardest part of the Jets schedule is upcoming, just wait. And McCown is no where near the reason Darnold is doing what he is doing. The idea that these "veteran QBs" are great for young QB's development is entirely unproven, and utterly baseless. Sure, can Darnold or Allen ask them questions? Absolutely. Will they give them the right answers or best insight they have? Mayhaps, but more likely than not their own success, or really lack thereof, in the league is proof enough to tell me they didn't really grasp the game well enough to be anything more than a placeholder for teams looking for actual QBs, or just an emergency hotline if the starter goes down. You think there's anything McCown is telling Darnold that his offensive staff and coaches aren't? If Allen had a competent QB coach and OC willing to work with him, he'd likely develop more than any vet QB would do for him. Not everyone learns this way and you have to find what works best for the project you end up with. Darnold is anything but proven at this point, and so much can happen. The Jets are 3-3, not bad but certainly nothing to write home about.

Green Bay has always been a comparison market for Buffalo. While different in many ways, including winning culture and history, plenty of players have developed brands in that market. Has nothing to do with the area, just has to do with winning. Win football games, players will come play.

The expectations were always to rebuild? We were never supposed to make the playoffs, and we lucked into it more so thanks to Dalton. Then we show up in the wildcard game and can't even score a TD in a 10-3 loss, in what was otherwise a dominant defensive performance and very winnable game? Not going to build off anything with an offense like that. You might be able to "use the momentum" though, but any building off that team would've led to priced out and aged out players and larger cap issues. If you looked at the roster as well, there was very little future talent that wouldn't otherwise be off the team in 2-3 years time. McBeane was always hired for a rebuild, and most new regimes will always build out their new team. Just because we made the playoffs last year doesn't mean anything, Beane even said as much. The excuse this year? There is none, we just have a deplorable offense due to a lot of factors, but this is otherwise expected in a rebuild (especially with this current roster), and is actually more of what was supposed to happen last year until our defense started playing lights out. It's not an excuse so much as it is reality. You can start warming seats once they bring in an actual offense and try to win with those decisions.

While accurate not necessarily fair - most HC's don't know both sides completely, if at all. Those that don't hire accordingly, of course, which is more to the point here with McD. But plenty of coaches have only ever coached one side of the ball - and HC's can have varied involvement on each side of the ball as well. The key is having good coordinators that can specialize and create functioning components while you oversee the direction, and/or call your side of the team.

Anderson is a 35 year old journeyman QB who was on family vacation two weeks ago, and is, by any measure, a bad NFL QB. While I'm with everyone in hoping for the best, the chances he leads this team anywhere but the first overall pick are about as long as a country train. He wasn't a good QB when he was in game shape and knew the playbook, what does anyone think he'll be able to pull off now? That being said, I think what would be best for Allen's development is to let him sit and observe, and while he's injured work on two things: his x's and o's, and his footwork/pocket movement. You don't need a good elbow to work on either and the kid needs both. When healthy, I think we can start to work him back in so he can first feel how his elbow might be doing, but more importantly, ACTUALLY apply what he's been learning/developing. Give him a drive or two a game, put together a script of plays so he can focus on staying in the pocket, knowing his routes and read the coverage. Whether or not he does well shouldn't matter, it's the repetition he needs. Then he can go into the offseason and continue to work and develop with any coach whose name is not "Culley" and we can begin our judgment of the newly formed offense throughout next season.

We sorely need that second head coach leading the offense though. Looks like McD would very much like to just leave that entire half of the team to a competent playcaller, and it's very much needed. But I doubt Daboll goes after the offense we have this year, while a good amount of it is on him, he'll be able to ride the rookie qb train for this year at least.

Just pick up the failed head coaches that were always great coordinators, to be our coordinators. Seems to work well - did for us with Schwartz at least. Pick up a failed head coach who was always a great OC to be our OC - less likely they get sought after by other teams with a lackluster track record as an HC.

They're 3-3 and tied for 1st...anytime you're .500 and have a three-way tie for first in your division, you should probably just keep quiet. Especially considering their last two losses and the 70 points he and the defense gave up across both. They have a fairly moderate to soft schedule ahead imho which may just end up working in their favor - but god I would love to beat the Jags this year for this and so many other reasons...can't wait for this team to implode considering Blake Bortles is their starter. Will never understand how that guy is still a starter in this league.

Slightly is being generous, but he's at least contributed. Crazy, but more than we can say for others with an offense like this...

There was already a throw open in the middle of the field with Clay when he continues his hook route up the middle seam - he's open at the 15, maybe not for a TD but at least positive yards. Should KB have come back to help? Probably, but even if he had, I'm not sure it makes a difference on this play. He wouldn't have great separation and Allen would likely have to throw a jump ball across his body, against his momentum, and in the middle of the field (same throw as the Green Bay game). I like KB in that matchup for the jump ball, but the Clay throw was likely the better move. Watching it again, he could've even hit Benjamin earlier in the one-on-one matchup once he recognized the man coverage on the left and once he saw the outside DB sitting on the the bubble screen like route (can't tell the WR). That's a jump ball I'd take in all honesty, and he was looking that way the whole play before he started scrambling - if he steps up and puts a ball at the pylon on the outside where KB can go up and get it he's got a shot at his first passing TD since Minnesota... KB also extended the play that got called back when Allen scrambled out to the left and hit him for that huge gain where holding was called, so he may not be running parallel with Allen every time (since he scrambles about 95% of the time after holding it for 3 plus seconds), but he does travel back to his QB or extend routes on occasion.

Compared to the bar that hasn't even been set yet on offense? Pretty much.

Only in ST this past game really - he's otherwise contributed on offense more so than Foster.

It's most definitely the unit as a whole - those penalties absolutely killed us. There were one or two questionable calls, and certainly some big time no calls against the Texans defense (I think we all know which ones), but the game was always winnable regardless of how the flags flew, or didn't, too.

Word. But gambling is the likely culprit here - I mean, scandal and football in miami have a pretty long rap sheet

Agreed - just let him sit and learn as was intended all along. He was never going to start this year, and he certainly wasn't going to learn in-game with the team they had going into the season. Based upon the moves made this past offseason, including setting up the cap and collecting draft capital, meant that they were planning to make large moves in the upcoming offseason. It's no secret we started the rebuild last year, and unexpectedly made the playoffs, but we need to stop letting that guide our expectations. This is what this year was always supposed to look like. With one exception: Allen was meant to be on the sidelines, developing his game experience through observation, and working on his development in practice/offseason workouts. As much as the kid needs to develop his pre-snap reads, he also needs to work on his footwork and pocket behavior - these are things a green rookie from the mountain west would learn in repeated practices, in addition to having another offseason before putting it all into practice in 2019. The other thing he would have is a team built using cap space and draft capital that would be infinitely more competitive than the group he currently has. This was the scenario I was reserving judgement for, and still reserving it for. It doesn't mean he can't take in-game reps this season, but pick the moments you give him exposure - not necessarily meaningless drives, but scripting a string of plays to focus on his development in a specific area whether it be pre-snap reads, footwork/dropbacks, staying in the pocket, timing routes, accuracy, etc.

Yea, he'll play - I'd still take Tre in that matchup, even if Hilton was back to 100% which I doubt he will be.

He's practicing now though, apparently - not sure to what extent, haven't checked today's injury report

Or money after this season - money is a pretty fantastic motivator as far as the history of signing WRs goes. But yea, we're not exactly a prime destination at the moment for any player looking to win now - anyone who would sign would need to understand and be hopeful for this rebuild. There are solid WRs out there who would go for this with the right price, but better to build this corps through the draft with FA help if needed. Same with the OL if we can.

Okay, Peterman lost the game on the INT, but it wasn't like our offense didn't have ample time or opportunities to put up points before then. While Peterman needs to be off the team, he isn't the only reason we lost that game. Our Defense cannot win us games where the offense puts up less than 14 points. We've scored 25 points in the last three games, and Peterman, that's right, Peterman, threw our first TD pass in what, 8 quarters? likely more. Issues extend far beyond who our backup QB is, and frankly, I couldn't care less who we marched out there - it's a backup trying to salvage a rebuild year, not a super bowl season. Whether or not he meant this against our offense or the Texans running the jet sweep on the goalline, I'd be frustrated regardless if I were Hughes. He's having a career season, and at his age he won't be having many more years of those. It's difficult to watch, albeit necessary for the rebuild.

No one wanted it except for Bon Jovi and Goodell. It won't happen though.

Agree for the most part - though I did see quite a few plays where at least one guy was "NFL open" but I'm not sure Allen would've made the throw anyway. A lot of these guys are open if you time the throw right as well, but that's still asking a lot of a rookie project right away, but will be a test in due time.

You may not need to operate, but how much of his throwing ability will he retain? Or even longterm? I get he's no stranger to injuries, but considering all he has going for him right now is his physical attributes, until he's able to develop more, that's not exactly promising. If this is one of those "will have offseason surgery but will otherwise try to play this season" scenarios - I'd rather they do the surgery now and have him as close to ready for 2019 as they can, and give him as much of the offseason to be healthy and continue to develop. Granted, I don't know how much of a necessity surgery would be here to make sure he's okay long term.

You're absolutely right, and I apologize for my misguided generalization. To amend my prior, they still couldn't care less for having the Chargers there. While geo-location does matter, they don't care for this team.

I agree wholeheartedly with everything except the mutiny. I agree Peterman needs to go as much as the next guy, but still think this team plays for more than that.

Really feels like this is about something else, but okay, if you think he should be fired for this one thing then believe what you want, too. I agree - I don't think Peterman belongs on our team, but he is because Logan Thomas will play behind Derek Anderson until Allen is healthy if not. At least, it's my hope that's the real reason he's still on the team. It's about McDermott and Beane trading away McCarron and not replacing him with a bonafide veteran QB until 5 weeks into the season because they apparently decided that Anderson was the only veteran QB worth pursuing AJM was not the guy they hired him to be - wasn't a good NFL QB and refused to mentor Allen. Not replacing him I can understand, and Anderson was targeted more in desperation as a result, but not because they thought he was the only viable option. It is highly likely, if not proven, that they called at least one other QB/agent, and it's also likely the Carolina connection helped motivate Anderson as he himself said he turned down another offer earlier in the season. Though recycling Carolina players during a rebuild year as known quantities isn't entirely illogical, I agree some of them were very suspect. (i.e. Tolbert, and now KB who was actually a great pick up last year, just not now). But none were meant to be permanent institutions (outside of KB), just known quantities filling a role while we built the roster out. "demonstrated with the QB situation underscores his unfitness to be a HC in the NFL in 2018 and in the future" Sooooo because of this one thing you think he is completely unfit as an HC? After coaching a team to their first playoff berth in 18 years in his first ever year as a head coach in the league, ever you think he's lost the locker room? He's a DC in his second year as HC - he isn't going to be bill belicheat in his first two years just as Allen wasn't going to be Brady. It's the second year of a rebuild. If all you're basing this on is poor ST play and pre-snap penalties than I'd love to see the causation there. The lack of morale might have something to do with the lack of offense, or just general poor play. No one is ever happy about losing, but it was going to happen this year - that should not have been nor should be a surprise. IMO, McDermott was close to losing the locker room even before Allen got hurt. Baseless? The only time "losing the locker room" was even mentioned was with Russini and playing Peterman. This was never even discussed before, much less mentioned. I think the in the moment, emotional responses from fans with misguided expectations for this year are the ones he's "lost" if anyone at all at this point. Again, if all you're basing this on is poor ST play and pre-snap penalties than I'd love to see the causation there. Just relax - it's not great by any means, but it's not nearly as terrible as the media is playing it out to be. If we see this next season, we can start to worry about what direction the rebuild is headed. But as far as I've seen they committed to rebuilding a defense which struggled early but is now showing life and signs of what was intended - guess what, they still aren't done developing the Defense. But now it's clear what they have on offense in terms of needs. It's a lot, but we have the capital to address a lot of pieces. It won't be turned around in one season either, but it has to, and imho will, look and be better than this team's offense.