HamSandwhich

So, what we need is, another 3 years and out, because that's what's worked in the past. Its worked out after Malarky (sp?) and the corpse to give them 3 years and then make them walk. Fans like you are apart of the new ADD generation, no patience, that means no continuity, and no chance at anything in the next few years. Go ahead, wish for it. The short sightedness that you and many others choose to see, yes. You just don't believe anything can change from year to year, for whatever reason, teams can be completely different from one to the next. We'll see what happens.

Man, there's going to be a lot of pissed off people on this board when Gailey and Nix are retained. Prepare youselves, perhaps you would prefer the Mayan's to be correct over that? I think that's the only thing that will change things, they'll be here next year and that's for the better IMHO.

Wonder what illness? Has it been released, what it is?

That's what people say when they want to deflect the question without being able to answer it. Congrats brother, you know what I was saying but chose to take the smart arse route. So what I'm hearing you say is, you're in the locker room and know exactly what's going on. Am I right?

So all coaches and GMs, over the history of the NFL, have continued to stay bad with no progression at all? Interesting! That's news to me! Tell that to Bellicheck.

This is laughable, Pete Prisco "thinks"????!?!??! Hahaha. That doesn't sound difinitive to me. Good job.

I'll go on record as saying, continuity, even as bad as it has been of late, is better than the alternative. We cannot clean house every 3 years, that's rediculous. Give Nix and Co. at least one more year. Continuity is needed here. Contrary to what most people will have you believe on here, coaches and schemes can be tweaked, and get better. Wholesale sweeping changes the organization will only set the Bills back a few more years at least. Yeah, do you play poker? Hindsight is 20/20, and its laugable that people point to one person or missed pick as the whole reason a team has tanked it. There are players that end up better than what they thought, and players who bust. Its all a real crapshoot. Armchair GMs of course will say that they wanted Wilson, but guess what, you weren't privvy to all the information these scouts are and they believed he didn't fit as our pick where he was available. Tough luck buddy, don't act like you know more than these professionals.

Hey now...well maybe I could Its not about betting on it, I just was wondering if there was a definitive decision to show Chan the door, and if so, who did it? The name of the thread is misleading. Does somebody have a link?

I'm trying to figure out how we know Chan's a goner? Do you have some inside info or something?

The mathematics of having more players to pick from if you get a higher pick, I agree is unarguable. However, what is arguable is how much better a 3rd pick as compared to a 7th pick equated to a team or franchise turning it around. There are sooo many different variables that go into it and the difference, I can say with almost complete certainty (without actually looking up the facts somehow) is neglidgeable. That all CAN be argued. Now, if you're truly waking up thinking you want to Bills to win, and you're just doing this to look at what COULD happen if they lose out, there is no problem. However, I would venture to say, that some in this thread, just hope the Bills lose out and that's all. I'm pretty sure at least one of these guys in this thread, going back and forth with me, have actually said as much. To me that's not being a fan, I dont know what it is, but it's not a fan to me. Now that's my opinion and how much weight you give it, its how credible you think I am and how much of your happiness is affected by my statement. It is what it is in my mind.

Love the realistic one. It makes the most sense IMO. I don't want to start all over again, that's not going to solve a thing

Because you're assuming that's what's going to happen in the future. You can't know that, and his system is good enough to win with the players we have IMO. Great D which has finally come together and an offense that we've seen can move the ball. Upgrade at QB for the future, and we're set. Lets not tear it all down as I said. Back to the heart of the matter, what does 5 picks better gaurentee you? I'm sure there are plenty of picks that were after McKelvin that turned out to be really good NFL players also.

Well, why didnt you say that then. The way you said it originoally made it sound like you were speaking on behalf of all Bills fans everywhere. Could be a problem of semantics, but that's how I took it, so I corrected it.

I didn't say that Chan Gailey = Andy Reid, what I did say is that coaches come from obscurity and do well and some come from prominant backgrounds and fail. ALL coaches were obscure or had ample growing pains (Bill Belicheat in Cleveland). Then out of no where they can be good, because their scheme has been bought into, they have the talent together, and they are putting it all together. The ball can move under Chan, and now that the D has their act together, perhaps we can win more often than not next year. Unfortunetly that's where we are, next year is what we're looking at. I'm saying, tearing it all down and starting new will not solve anything. Go ahead and point toward some of the RECENT success from coaches starting in their first year. Then look at the entire history of the NFL and I'll bet you see that more often than not, first and second year coaches have growing pains rather than making the playoffs. There is a lot to be said about continuity.

Here's why this is false, you said ENSURE our future success. Tell me, how are you going to gaurentee that losing out is going to lead to success? I'd put money on the idea that these 3 or 4 picks that we might gain by losing out would have no bearing on our future success if there was a way to quantify that. There, fixed it for you. This is an opinion not fact, see above post. Unless of course you have a crystal ball that says "if we get the 3rd pick we will win 5 championships in the next 5 seasons". If that is true, then I'm with you 100%. Show me research that shows % of wins and how it goes up by a descernable amount the higher the draft pick. Apparently you dont believe that teams can get better or worse year after year, WITH THE SAME COACH! Take Andy Reid for one, a winner in many ways, but what happened this year? His team sucks, it happens, things go well, and then things can go terribly wrong. The NFL is fluid, and things can change at the drop of the hat. Regardless of what you think, it will always be that way. The Bills may just be a 15th overall pick in the 1st round away from an AFC championship, or a 3rd pick bust away from 10 more years of pain again. So go ahead and root for your team to lose. Losers mentaily folks can unite. I'll continue to root for my team to win! EVERY TIME!

Of course! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I said this as my opinion. Did I say anything to the affect of, THIS IS FACT or IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE? Nope, I did not, I'm not a talent evaluator, I read just like the rest of you, and I watch games and conduct my own eye tests. Barkley will be a fail IMOOOOOOOO, Smith is probably the best option, Glennon is someone I see a lot as a person who lives in Raleigh and he's not as good as the hype suggests (hes a statue who curls under pressure). Again this is all OPINION. What's your point?

That's what we're here to do, I agree. I hate it just like the rest of us here, it sucks we havent been winning, but I dont think its from lack of talent. Earlier in the year the D was horrid, they were learning a new system, had a plethora of new players, and they just werent jelling. The O was on top of it though, keeping us in games. As the season wore on, and we found that the O was taking too much risks and having too many turnovers, we started being more careful on O and the D started to come around. Now the D is a stallwort and a top 5 D recently, but the offence has not been able to turn it on again like they had at the beginning of the season. Their growth seems to have been stunted by having to turn inward with the horrbile play of the D early in the year. Now, since we know the D can play well together, we just need to sign our starters back, pick up a new QB that we can groom, and hopefully, after a full TC where the O can regain its confidence, all cylanders will be working next year. Another year for this D to jell will do wonders IMO! The offense will get back Nelson, and will have a new year to prove their ability. We've seen the O go at a high level, now just be consistent. Oh, and GET CJ THE BALL!!!

Wow, really, judging by yards gained? How about by YPC? CJ is better than any of those two RBs and FJ is pretty darned good when healthy. I'll take CJ, getting the ball of course, over any of those three Our D was shaky at the begginning but what do you expect with all these new players and a new system. For the last 5 weeks, they've been playing top 5 and have been downright dominant. I don't think D is really a problem. I'm of the belief that continuity is best right now, lets not start all over again like we've done with the two previous regimes. It will be business as usual if we do that and we'll start all over again. Not what we need. At least one more year for Gailey and Co.

Won't give it a break, you're not a fan by the very nature of the word. Fans root for teams to win, not lose. That's it and thats all. Loser mentality. So we lose 3 games in a row, move up 3 or 4 picks. You really think that matters enough in a crapshoot that is the draft? Cmon, you're smarter than that. Or, we win 3 games in a row, build on someting for next year and go out on a positive. Go ahead though, continue on with your loser mentality. I don't take shots against any type of "fan", except for this type, which I guess is not taking any shots at a fan at all, because you're not a fan. Its also laughble that you say THE fans, as in the royal "WE THE FANS" as if everyone that is a FAN sees it your way. Sad. See, therein lies your problem. We rince and repeat by firing this regime after 3 years, just like the regime before them and before them etc etc and so on and so on. So, what makes you think we're going to be successful this time after 3 years? No, the prudent and smart thing would seem to be to keep the current regime, maybe tweak a coach or two and continue on. There is some improvement in areas and disrupting the continuity will just magnify our problems.

Who would you take in the first round?

I hate Bills fans, not really, but this is rediculous...this is the losers playoffs and breeds a loser's mentality. I'd like to see where you are in life. Don't bother saying what you do or where you are in life either, because I just wont believe you anyway. Win at all costs! True fan! Go Bills!!!

This is a very bad year to have to reach for a QB

So, you think the Lynch of old would have been the same way. You have to take it in context of their own seasons, not how they're doing now. Interesting, what I think is annoying is when people decide to put monitary value compared in consideration of talent. The title of the thread is, "Better than we were 3 years ago", not how much did we pay for every player. We're talking about talent, not monitary value. So the fact that Mario cost 100 mil is irrelevant to the conversation. He's still MUCH better than Schobel, and I think Schobel was great.

This thread makes me laugh, lots of trolls here. Cmon, none of you believe that this team is NOT better than 2009. The DLINE by itself is HEADS AND SHOULDERS better than any we've had in the past and that is HUGE in this day and age. This, however, is my opinion. You can't compare due to record because the teams we faced back then could have been better or worse than the ones we face this year. Its all subjective, and all this incoherent rambling is not going to convince either side of the isle to come to your opinion. There is such a thing as the "eye test" and anyone who sees this team play vs that of yester year can see this team is much better than any of the previous years. They ARE getting better, regardless of what the naysayers are saying, and they WILL continue to get better. But hey, that's just my opinion, take it for what it is. Just like the rest of yours, just opinoins!