You got it right but not the latter. They don't do any good. There are better ways of stimulating conversation. They are not articulate in any way, shape or form. I think started off the threads that have been on this board for 8 years now saying "I'm leaving" does nothing but make the poster a fool because the same idiot who rights that is the first one jumping on the wagon when it changes. The points have been wrote before and will be wrote after. Not saying he can't whine, piss, and moan but save the "I'm leaving" stuff for the kids board.