BillsFan130

Good for singletary. Great dude who works hard

You can't have it both ways though... Burrow is obviously 10x better than Purdy/jimmy g, the QBs Aiyuk has had. If your argument is "chase needs his elite QB to get him his elite stats". What does that say about Aiyuk then, who put up big numbers this year with an average QB at best? You see my point?

Chase for sure. Once again you're basing 2023 vs career.... In 2023 Aiyuk had a better year than chase. You really cannot argue otherwise

To be honest I don't think he is elite in like a top 5 guy either, but he definitely deserved getting to the all pro team last year. Like he was def better than Adams and chase last year who are considered "elite" receivers. Agreed on thuney and Mcduffie

Ok so now we are going to put other circumstances into it because you have no other thing to back up what you're saying? It's not 2022. Or 2021. Aiyuk was an absolute stud last year and was better than Jefferson (due to injury), chase and adams. I'm not gonna reply back unless you have any objective thing to state , opposed to your argument,"trust me bro".

Ok let's compare to some of the guys you said last year. Jefferson- basically missed all season. Adams- Aiyuk had more yards/tds Chase- Aiyuk had more yards/tds. So once again- you are basing it off name recognition with absolutely 0 objectivity to back up what you're saying based on the 2023 nfl season.

You have deeply studied Aiyuk, Thuney, Mcduffie relative to all the other players at their positions , or are you just basing it on "name recognition "? You must have a lot of time on your hands if you can study all those guys every play and compare them to other players at their relative position

Ya he was probably around 5- For elite for my criteria, I personally used top 3-4 at the position . That's why I said borderline elite. It just depends what your definition of elite is That's your opinion. I wanted some objectivity to the criteria and one thing is for certain is all those guys made all pros last season. If you disagree with my criteria, fair enough but I think there has to be some objectivity to this

Please read my criteria on how i put guys elite- it's the first thing I stated in my post

Was he ever a top 3-4 receiver in the league? Maybe 2020, on the fringe. Probably was borderline elite then, but he's definitely not now, that's for sure

I can't see a scenario where Beane doesn't do it. It's a no brainer ImO.

Who is Aaron?

Ya, I mean to your point Theres a reason why top pass rushers get paid 30-35 per year and corners are 20-25. So I would agree pass rush is slightly more important, but definitely need both to have an elite defence. (As we both agree on)

Now this is true. But it also goes both ways. If your corners can't cover for 2 seconds, the pass rush doesn't matter unless the o line is blowing assignments left, right and centre. It has to Be a marriage between the pass rush and coverage in order to have a great defence. Chiefs had it all. Great pass rush, and great coverage which made them a top 3 defence all season long

Yep. I think Oliver hit is ceiling which is fine as he's a very solid player. Bernard and Kincaid def have the potential to be elite

Hahah no problem buddy!

The good news is that Elam isn't CB2 sir. Will be Douglas and Benford with most likely Elam as the 3rd Yep this is exactly my opinion on the state of their team as well

Ya this is exactly it. You got to think Beane knew they were missing some elite talent when they swung for the fences with Von in 2022. Just unfortunately did not workout for them and it's gonna be a big relief when his contract clears off the books Ok maybe I used the word "game breakers" a bit loosely. But they are elite players who are a massive part of a top 3 defence, who went on to win a superbowl .

I know, I understand how a successful defence works. The coverage has to marry the pass rush, and vice versa. Like I could argue and say Chris jones wouldn't make an impact as well if the corners can't cover for 2 seconds If you don't think they are game breakers, all good. We will just have to respectfully agree to disagree

Its not just against SF. Their defence was top 3 in the nfl all season. I don't think Purdy is good as well, but at the end of the day they had a very successful passing offence all season long because of all Their weapons

I don't know though. Those guys are unreal. Like even in the SB- Purdy kept testing them and it didn't work out at all. And that's with throwing to Aiyuk/samuel, very good receivers. When he started to go to Jennings, that's where he had success. I think those guys are game breakers as they dictate matchups, but that's just my opinion I hear you. He just didn't perform too well in key situations ImO -Gave up game winning TD to Gesicki -Set up game winning field goal for Denver after blatant 25 yard PI call. And let's be honest, he got away with murder when he hauled down Darren Waller in that giants last play. Thats a lot of key mistakes for an "elite" player in my humble opinion

I agree with you. I just put him in based on the criteria I put in as I wanted some objectivity. I also don't think he's an elite player

For sure I don't disagree with you that the bills don't have good to very good players. Like Oliver, Dawkins, cook, Douglas, bernard fit that bucket, plus even some more probably. But I still think they lack true game breakers outside of Josh.

You think Ed Oliver is a top 3 DT in this league? Chris Jones, Aaron donald, Maduabuike, Jeffrey Simmons, Dexter Lawrence? Probably a few more as well you can debate ahead of Oliver

If you read my post, I was putting any all pros as elite as I wanted to bring some objectively to this. And he was voted 1st team all pro. Taron isn't elite either in my opinion but I put him in because he was voted 2nd team all pro