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Maybe. But unless Shaq Lawson cost zero 1sts (in which case, way to go Whales), Swatkins definitely cost 2.

The answer is and will always be 2.

RIP in Peace. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/168459-i-believe-in-tj-graham/

When I've written about 16 different times that I think Goodwin will never have any success, and you still call him my "lover boy," and think I'll make bets on him breaking 1000 yards receiving, maybe you shouldn't be trying to insult anyone's intelligence. Just a suggestion. "Just keep thinking watching the receiver actually play means you know how talented he is, idiot." Irony.

Being an asshat is trying to ensure financial security for your staff? Interesting take, I guess.

Why would I bet this when I agree with it? Are you even reading what I'm writing? I skipped the rest of your post. I assume it just talked about stats and catches and other nonsense I've already addressed. You clearly aren't listening.

Still makes you wonder why a guy who never thought about anyone but himself would go to bat for his staff. And torpedo his career to do so.

He's not injured. PR is possible, but probably unlikely. Other teams have bad WR's and Graham is still MIA. Why don't any idiots think they can get something out of Graham? You will never be proven otherwise as long as you never watch the games. That's true. Kind of an ostrich head-in-the-sand situation, not something I'd be really proud of, personally.

Except for that time that he quit because the Pegulas wouldn't extend his staff.

I 100% agree with the bolded. But you haven't been arguing that. I never said Goodwin will be a great pro. Or that his talent means that he's worth a roster spot. Or that he's gonna turn it around. My only argument was that he's more talented than Graham, a guy who has put up better numbers. At the end of the day, the best ability is availability. But there's a reason that Goodwin is on an NFL roster today and Graham isn't, even though he's been outproduced. I'd love to hear your explanation for that.

Now you've completely spun off the planet. Goodwin hasn't burned Richard Sherman (not that he's had the chance), so he's not talented. #3 WR's that beat #3 CB's aren't talented and are basically useless. These are fiery takes my man. BTW Antonio Brown is ~5'10" 180 lbs, and he's the best WR in football. Not sure he needs to change his height/weight to make a difference.

How many games did he play in 2013? I watched him in all of them. You clearly did not. Did you know that players both run routes and get separation, even without having to catch the ball? You continue to claim you "understand," when you clearly do not. His talent is not impossible to back up. You only need to use your eyes instead of basing your player "evaluation" by pouring over the stat sheet. Do you think that's how they do it in the NFL? Do you think guys get drafted based on exclusively how many catches or yards they have? Finally, I hate Goodwin. I think he's screwed the Bills for years by not taking football seriously. I think he likes getting his check and following his Olympic dream. I think if he put more effort into being a good football player, he could be both a better player and stay healthier/on the field more. None of this invalidates him being more talented than Graham.

The only way to judge them is based on production. Dead wrong. This is getting sad. You're trying to tell me you can't judge a WR on their hands, ability to get separation, route running, etc etc. I don't know football? You're off the reservation here. You're exposing yourself. Pack it in. And if you think I'm sticking up for either of them, you aren't paying attention. You just lack a basic understanding, and I'm trying to educate you.

No more conjecture than Easley can put up Hogan's numbers, eh Doc?

Wait what? You said he doesn't have talent because he's only caught 20 balls. How is that not confusing talent for production? Goodwin is 1 billion times the football talent of Graham. Now if that talent is irrelevant because he can't stay on the field (which is fair) is a completely different argument from being "talentless." Go watch tape of the second Jets game from 2013, where our starting WR's were Graham and Goodwin and tell me both are equally "talentless." If you still hold that position, you just don't understand football. Goodwin is more frustrating because if he actually cared enough to stay healthy, he could be much more productive based on his talent. Graham was healthy, he just wasn't good. Neither were very productive for very different reasons, but not because they both were talentless. Sorry.

Again, production vs. talent. You clearly do not understand the distinction.

Glass has shown talent. WTF are you going on about?

Now I'm sold.

I care.

There's quite a bit of difference between talent and production.

To warrant this much attention and praise? Probably, yeah.

Of course. He's the only reason you're sitting here arguing the importance of an STer. Difference is, Easley is only decent, not one of the best ever.

What choice do they have, Dork?

Oh mrags, this won't end well.

That's probably it Doc. Marcus just never got the chance!