Rocky Landing

Honestly, I think this thread is a bit silly. Love him, or hate him, the NFL has enjoyed enormous growth during Goodell's tenure-- even during the worst of the recession. Goodell is not going anywhere.

Die thread, die!

Football fans, on general, are always allergic to change. But, todays' change will be tradition in ten years.

"I SAID, d = 6 + vt - 16t2 whereas velocity equals 48 feet per second and t equals 1.3! What's so hard about that!!!"

That's really funny that we both mentioned the Aloha and Tiny Bubbles. That place rivaled any tiki bar in the country that I've ever been to-- and I've been to quite a few!

Also from ESPN: they have EJ ranked #25 in fantasy football rankings. Brady at #12, Vick at #27, and Geno at #29. Of course, these are valuations of production, rather than talent, and are also taken out of all active QBs (over 100 of them). Hence, Brady's low ranking. But, as I mentioned in another thread, I actually think that there are more analyses and intellectual muscle going into fantasy football rankings than in the pablum that is served up by blathering heads like Jaws. The former is a prediction of results, whereas the latter is based on subjective, and popular perception. EDIT: Henne, btw, is ranked #31 on this list. Fitz is #32; Cassel is #33.

For some weird perspective on that site, they have Brady at #12, Tannehill at #22, Manuel at #25, Vick at #27, and Geno at #29. I think that fantasy rankings are more a valuation of production rather than talent. Of course, the two go hand in hand, and there is a lot of analysis that goes into them. I would certainly put a lot more stock in the intellectual muscle that goes into fantasy football rankings than I would something like Ron "Jaws" Jaworski's list of quarterbacks (to cite another thread). They have Watkins at #30 among WRs-- not surprisingly, the highest ranked rookie WR.

I feel so ashamed... Hey, man! Stay out of my fantasy!

I knew it was too good to be true. I'm not sure how old you are, but if you're as old, or older than me (50), do you remember their house band back in the early eighties and before? The owner used to sing a rendition of "Tiny Bubbles" with them, and they would take requests. They were as old as the hills back then, and chain-smokers all. My friends, and I, drinking at 17 with our fake IDs, would get a hoot out of requesting "Tequila," because the sax player would get so out of breath that he could barely keep up. Good times.

Yes. These girls are beautiful by just about any standard. Probably, even by standards of inner beauty. I'm sure they're all really nice and would let me buy them a drink at a bar. I'll be in my room...

After growing up in Rochester, then living briefly in NY, then briefly in San Fran, then for 23 years in Los Angeles, and visiting Rochester every year, I have decided it's best to steer clear of Rochester Chinese food. But there used to be a really great place with terrible Chinese food and excellent tropical drinks, and a tiki theme with a volcano behind the bar. I think it was in Pittsford. Maybe it was called the Aloha, or something like that? Is that still around?

Jeez, I was just making a joke. I'm sure Brett Favre, and Terrell Owens are nice people, too.

Is that all that coaches do? Give tips on circuit training, and running and blocking? Give me a break. Are you suggesting that 33 pages of texts were non-football related? Are you suggesting that 33 pages of texts were sent in the capacity of something other than as a head coach? Can you think of nothing else, outside of circuit training, running, and blocking that could be sent that would constitute "coaching?" Do you believe that there is nothing to be gained from coaching your players during the offseason- even if it is via text? Is any of this making sense to you?

I don't see a link?

I'll be in my room...

I actually agree with you that this is not really a "cheating" issue. But, let's look at it from a different angle. BB has texted AH 30 times in the offseason. Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that all those texts were related to his training, and other football related activities. Now, multiply that by dozens. If BB is texting all of his players, monitoring, and perhaps guiding their training, practice, film study, workouts, etc. Is that not coaching? Hmm. maybe I don't agree with you after all?

But, will the world be ready for a 60 year old cheerleader?

I'm 50, and I think she's pretty hot.

Are you crazy? I'm a father of two, and if it meant a view from the sidelines, I'd be swinging around those pompoms and wearing a miniskirt!

The quarterback rating is a pretty useless stat on its own, but I think it's especially useless in this context. The formula doesn't take into account the level of play any other player on the field. Certainly, we had a better team than the Jags last year. But, Jaw's list of quarterbacks, isn't a list merely based on qbr. As mediocre as Henne is, his play has been consistent throughout his career. Even when he was being openly booed in Miami by his own fans, during games and practice, his play remained consistent. (I found myself respecting him for that.) What we had last year from Manuel, was ten starts, inconsistent play, with a truncated playbook, and three knee injuries. And, yes, those injuries are certainly going to play into an objective list of starting qbs-- especially regarding one that has only played in one season. I believe that EJ will climb that list significantly. I believe he will have progressed substantially from last season. But, if he hasn't progressed from last season, and if it turns out that he doesn't have the ability to play the entire season, no objective observer is going to rank him higher than 27th. This ESPN/Jaws list is based on what has been seen on the field. I'm neither surprised by EJ's low rank, nor am I discouraged.

I live and work in Los Angeles in the television industry (set lighting), and I've actually done a fair amount of work for Fox Sports. Here's the thing: if you look closely, you will almost always see an earbud in their ear. This is so the directors/producers can feed them information. With few exceptions, these guys don't write their own material, or do their own research. This clown is certainly no exception. Jaws is just spouting a crafted version of conventional, network wisdom. And, I'm sorry to say, of course, conventional wisdom is going to place Henne, a proven, albeit mediocre (if you want to consider #27 even mediocre) commodity. We all have high hopes for EJ. But, at the moment, that's really all they are-- hopes. EJ had some good games, and he had some bad ones. Henne is consistently mediocre.

We'r just going to have to agree to disagree-- strongly-- on that one! Good to know! I'm going to be back on August 10th. Can't wait!

Sorry, but finishing your post with, "end of story," does not make your post even remotely definitive. Personally, I could not disagree with your sentiment more, and quite frankly find it offensive.

What happened is that places like Pizza Hut, and every other national chain selling wings drove the price WAY up. I was surprised that the owner kept the Mt Hope location over Monroe Ave. I guess the overhead was a lot lower on Mt. Hope.

I cried when they shut down their Monroe Ave location.