Dan Gross

This thread is better than the others because it goes to eleven....

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Well, he has to save up the energy for the traditional hotel-trashing tonight...

Don't worry, you're not missing much...

That must have hurt.

No, Franchise. There's no compensation for a transition tag, just right to match offers. We picked up Spikes when he was transition tagged by the Bengals.

2nd period...I see the McKenzie's got called for diving? Who was clamoring for an Oscar at the Olympics?

But he'd probably be a lot cheaper...

Viagratically dependent?

Let me see....how do I put this....? The insufficiently endowed, perhaps?

Yes, good job on finding out where the tags were stored in time.

So that's why a search on your username only returns 743 posts...

I wasn't referring to Flutie getting rid of the ball quickly, it was more about his being able to get yardage/buy time with his feet, which Losman has shown (5.0 YPC). But, whatever, I say toe-may-toe, you say toh-mah-toh. I think he hasn't been given enough opportunity to show what he can do, all things considered, you've determined that he's conclusively shown that he's useless. I see someone who could be a Palmer or Brees (or admittedly a Harrington), you see someone who is definitely a Leaf... You win, I'm done.

Except there are a combinations of issues with the parallel: 1.) Your knock against Losman appears to center around the fact that he isn't a "pocket passer..." but neither was Flutie...most of his success came outside the pocket, so if you call Flutie successful then you acknowledge that you can have success without being a "pocket passer." 2.) Johnson was the one with the high completion %age/QB Rating numbers. Flutie "just won."

Sorry, but according to the board by-laws he would have had to move over to the message board of whatever team Clements ended up on....just like there's a certain Pats fan who's glad Donahoe hasn't taken another job...yet....

And Flutie was the one who, given a whole season would show considerable arm fatigue by the end of it. And, if you are trying to draw a parallel here (which I'm sure you'll deny when faced with it), Flutie "adapted" by running around with the ball, not being a "pocket passer."

Because, as you know, knowing is half the battle.

Nahh, he just happened to get in the middle school computer lab today before the dork who hits the caps lock on all the PC's...

The way this thread has turned, you might want to change the title to say 1998 rather than 2003...

The animals must have caught Olympic fever or something. Deer are crashing sports events, too!

You're right on the percentage, accidentally copied from the QB rating. But yet you say that we'd "win now" with a guy of Holcomb's performance level because he's better than 1/3 of the starting QB's in the league.... I'm still trying to figure out how it is that you can conclude without any doubt in your mind that Losman has at best the career potential of Ryan Leaf based on how he was thrown to the wolves last year. Holcomb brought experience at being thrown to the wolves, coupled with no false sense of security that a running game and defense were going to bail him out, and managed to eke out marginally better performance overall (however you add up the points-per-game it's not like he was lighting the scoreboard up...). It's not that I think Losman is the next Favre, it's not that I'm even convinced he is or isn't the answer. I just know he hasn't been given the chance to show who he really is. I know what Holcomb is, however, and it would be more surprising to me to see Holcomb playing better than Holcomb did last year than it would be for me to see Losman playing better than Holcomb did last year... Look, it's an open competition now, which I support. If Holcomb wins, I'm worried, because he is not the "solution." If not, then we have something, which could admittedly be a Rob Johnson (great in practice, lousy when the bullets fly) or not, but at least you'll have a starting QB that the team will rally around, and that hopefully smarter coaching will actually support with a Roeth-type game plan that helps him get comfortable with the game...while he plays.... Again, I'm not saying that Losman is the second-coming of anything, but I'm just not ready to kick him to the curb as a bust.

If you're going to compare Holcomb vs. JP, then why look at Holcomb's stats now? Through the 2002-2003 season, he had pretty much gathered as many attempts as Losman did this last year, so let's take a look at how those numbers compare. It's particularly fair, since 2003-2004 was when Holcomb "came alive." So to compare Holcomb's career up until 2003 with Losman last year: Completion %age Holcomb: 60.7 (116/191) Losman: 64.9 (113/228) Yards: Holcomb: 1348 Losman: 1340 Y/A: Holcomb: 7.1 Losman: 5.9 TD/Int: Holcomb: 10/12 Losman: 8/8 Rush/Yards (Ave): Holcomb: 14/14 (1.0) Losman: 31/154 (5.0) Sacks: Holcomb: 16/116 yds Losman: 27/197 yds Fumbles/Lost: Holcomb: 5/4 Losman: 7/3 Pretty comparable. What's to say that 2005-2006 won't be for Losman what 2003-2004 was for Holcomb?

They were released by another team. They must suck. Let's pass.

Sudafed, the boy just had a cold...