The Jokeman
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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:
This is what happened last season. He played a couple of decent games at the end of the year and everyone was on the Tyrod train. "Draft defense and he will get us into the playoffs", "the light has come on", "he isn't the problem".
The truth us Tyrod is still what he was year one. His season by season performances actually deviate very little. He will have spells where he plays good football (he particularly seems to enjoy playing the Dolphins for some reason) and games where he really struggles to move the offense. And when you strip the context and the other factors away that is still the truth you are left with. He is a serviceable, capable NFL starting Quarterback. What he isn't is a guy who will ever give you a chance to be a contender. Could he have that one year where it all clicks with a good supporting cast - "the Keenum effect" - yes he could. But you have to play the percentages and drafting around him to hope for the lightening in a bottle type season is not a sensible approach. Even despite the difficulty in finding a true franchise QB the odds of that are greater than the lightening in a bottle.
Tyrod was not THE problem in 2015 or 2016..... he hasn't been THE problem in 2017 either. But his play does not raise the level of those around him and when that is what you are saying about your Quarterback it is A problem.
I have no problem at all with keeping Tyrod for the final year of his deal in 2018 as the bridge / backup to your rookie Quarterback. I don't think either side has much of an appetite for that to happen though. Tyrod probably feels like he has played well enough to have the opportunity to start for a different team in 2018 who don't see him as a sitting duck.... but the teams rumoured to be interested last summer were the teams we all knew were going to be bad - Cleveland, Chicago, Denver, New York Jets..... I suspect the market for him looks similar this offseason too. That might still be preferable to Tyrod than being here as the sitting duck for a staff, fanbase and organisation that doesn't truly believe in him in 2018.
He isn't a problem nor is he the solution, hence we need a better QB. I'd love if we could some how land Rosen but that's highly unlikely unless Cleveland again passes on a QB.
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8 hours ago, Happy Gilmore said:
I think Tyrod is gone after this year. Tyrod is a great athlete, but McDermott and Dennison want a better passer who primarily works out of the pocket, anticipates route timing, throws with anticipation, and reads opposing defenses, which is not Tyrod's strength.
You mean a guy who can play QB?
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9 minutes ago, BearNorth said:
Beth Mowins was solid, really enjoyed the accuracy of her call.
Except when she called Tyrod McCoy.
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On 12/12/2017 at 11:28 AM, Happy Gilmore said:
I think Tyrod is released after this season. No team would want to take his remaining salary and bonus structure.
The Browns would but it cost the Bills a draft pick or maybe not since they ditched the money ball GM.
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2 hours ago, CviewBills said:
My opinion is go after Case Keenum because he'd be much cheaper than Cousins and probably produce about the same. Then draft one of the remaining QBs with a second round pick.
Keenum also has a history with Dennison if we keep has OC, as they worked together in Houston. That said I trade up to the top 2 and hope Rosen falls and "settle" for Darnold.
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23 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:
Who out there has a half decent QB on their practice squad? Or do we toss a 7th to someone to rent a backup? Anyone familiar with our system?
Josh Woodrum is on the Ravens' practice squad.
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On 12/1/2017 at 10:58 AM, mannc said:
He absolutely seems like a guy the Bills might take a shot at with one of their first round picks. Perfect candidate to sit behind Tyrod for year, or maybe compete with him in camp. I would love it.
You're fooling yourself if think Tyrod going to be back in 2018. Now if we want to sign a guy like Keenum to a Tyrod make it break it type deal (connection to Dennison in Houston) to a two year deal and use one of our top picks on Allen and see if he develops behind Keenum. Yet to me I'd rather trade up and take Rosen.
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1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:
Hmmm not a good comparison but he is fast. The comparison I have seen is Marcus Mariota.
If he's a Mariota than I'll gladly take him.
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Tyrod's good as gone in 2018; so play the kid Peterman and see if he improves or warrants us to not need to take a QB earlier than later in the 2018 draft.
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5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
Completion percentages in college are very sketchy. They include so many pitches and dump offs. They don’t take into account what a QB is and isn’t asked to do within a given scheme. I don’t even look at them, personally. Jackson runs a pro style offense, not an option based or spread offense ( though it’s a diverse offense that incorporates some elements of the spread) and that’s a huge difference. Secondly, you really need to take a look at how many drops his WRs have this year. It’s incredible.
Yet he's been compared to Michael Vick which to me is not a good thing, as Vick (like Tyrod) was a great athlete but a below average QB when it comes to passing the ball.
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I'm resistant as he doesn't have the best of completion percentages, I know it's one stat but it worries me that he's another great college athletic QB and not a pure passer which is what you need to maintain long term success in the NFL.
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8 hours ago, The juice said:
Too many times this year with blunders in and out of game. Yesterday, the terrible challenge when Brady’s knee hit with NO ONE touching him. Disgusting
because that lost time out really hurt us when it counted most
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2 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
I figure it is on account of he played good.
Except when it mattered the most, Jimbo didn't play too well in any of our Super Bowls.
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3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:
For many teams, the receiver corps has a positive effect on the offense, ie making catches they probably shouldn't catch, route running, adjusting to broken plays. These guys have quite a negative impact. I don't think we properly take in this impact when we talk about quarterbacks.
Jordan Matthews was a star in Philly. Zay Jones was a record breaker at ECU. Holmes was a role player in Oakland. Guys like Watkins, Woods, Hogan and Goodwin have shown to be better with other QBs not named Tyrod. Truth is he's not a starting NFL QB.
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5 hours ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:
Mayfield knows he is the best player on the field. Give me that guy at quarterback any day of the week. Rhythm thrower? Check. Accurate passer? Check. Arm strength? Plenty. He would be a god send to our team. He is a more polished Mahomes imo.
He lacks NFL size which will drop him on draft day and hopefully someone else takes him.
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4 hours ago, Murdox said:
Guys, there is a lot of focus on TT, but what about Dennison? Exactly what has he proven ? At least we've seen that TT can perform better in a different offense. I haven't seen anything from Dennison, and his gameplans have brought TT down to new lows. And Peterman hasn't exactly shown much. I'm not suggesting TT is the answer, but I do think we need to consider how much our offensive "mastermind" is to blame for this mess. It's not all TT.
What about TT under Roman or Lynn? They couldn't make him a passer either. Dact is TT is an above average athlete but a sub par QB because he double clutches in the pocket or takes bad sacks that cost you 19 yards etc. I'm not saying Dennison's done well either but tired of the deflection away from Tyrod.
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20 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
I like the Rams' move a lot better as a model for what we could potentially do.
Rams gave up:
#15 Overall2nd Round (43)
2nd Round (45)
3rd Round (76)
Next Year's 1st
Next Year's 3rd
Titans gave up:
#1 Overall
4th Round (113)
6th Round (177)
If we did the same that would leave us with:
1st overall Selection
KC's 1st Rounder
2 4ths
2 5ths
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9 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:
chargers will take that division.
Here's to hoping they do as helps the Bills playoff chances.
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From https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/broncos-chad-kelly-lands-on-ir-season-over/
dated 3 weeks ago
Kelly (wrist) will be placed on injured reserve Monday, Zac Stevens of BSNDenver.com reports.
Despite the troubles under center in Denver, the Broncos don't feel that Kelly is ready from a health standpoint at the moment. With his placement on IR, Kelly will have to wait until next season to showcase his talent. -
3 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:
I was told this directly through someone who spoke to Taylor Sunday, if I have that right. Basically, a trusted person knows someone who is important who spoke to Taylor Sunday and expressed it was 100% Dennison
Imagine that an OC wanted to bench his QB after he passed for 56 yards and hasn't shown improvements from the preseason when his OC asked him to trust guys to throw it downfield. But I know we can blame someone else besides Tyrod for our 4 losses up to that point of the season.
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5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
QB Stock Watch: Jackson the new No. 1
CHRIS TRAPASSOJackson got compared to Mike Vick, I hope he ends up in Cleveland than and we can trade up with San Fran and snatch Rosen.
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Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:
I'm worried about Peters, but maybe we can avoid his side of the field.
Right, because that isn't a debate worth having. And again, I'm sorry that you perception doesn't align with reality.
The reality is Tyrod got benched because apparently I perceived the same thing as our HC did which is Tyrod isn't good enough and won't be a Bill in 2018.
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7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:
Imagine that, you're looking at passing TD % and I'm looking at TD%. Yes Nate's percentage does go up when you omit sacks and rush attempts and Tyrod's stays roughly the same. Do we want to talk about Turnover % while we're at it?
So basically you need to pad Tyrod's numbers with his rushing stats. Yet as a passer the seven year veteran is as good as the rookie with less than 3 quarters under his belt? Bring as many stats as you want I'm not debating that Nate's better than Tyrod, again I'm pointing out that Tyrod's not good enough and if Nate doesn't show marked improvement (assuming he starts again) I'll gladly say he's not good enough. Infact you ask me today who should be the Bills QB next year my answer is Josh Rosen or Mason Rudolph.
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1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:
No. I was being literal. Dennison is the one who benched Peterman
and rightly so Peterman should have been benched.
1 minute ago, Boyst62 said:Because a bunch of people who saw enough of Peterman said he was not worth starting. Why didn't McDermott not recognize this? What on earth did he see to think he was worth starting even if Dennison did?
I think what McDermott sees is that Tyrod not the long term answer at QB so he's giving the next man up a chance to see if he can be, now he failed that test this weekend but should we run a QB out of town after one game?
While unlikely, Browns could end up with #1 & #2 picks
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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He hasn't had a sack since November 26, yet his tackling stats are solid. Yet Jibril Peppers has really struggled for them. While the Brown's have the picks and cap room to improve time.will tell if they do yet not sure they will as their own seems to be quick to change management.