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That's bunk. Scalpers and brokers are out buying season tickets since NY passed its anti-scalping law, basically making ticket reselling a legitimate business for brokers and existing season ticket holders who are scalping. More and more people are buying seasons and single games just to sell them. Sadly, this lost revenue, the cost between ticket price and scalping price, is what the Bills could charge and more profit for them, as opposed to scalpers. The actual attendance is the true dictator of ticket sales, see how many seats get eaten by scalpers and brokers. I'd love to have the Bills own up and breakdown season ticket sales by zip code. Bet a lot of out of area zips would show up. Check Stubhub and other places now and you'll see the real story since the only people who can buy are season tikcet holders and group sales (another work around for season ticket holders limited to 6 seats per game extra). The market is flooded with tickets that were bought just to resell. The economy in WNY is stagnant at best, it certainly isn't getting better.

WOW. Of all the things I've ever read, this is by far the most far-flung and I'm hoping it's s joke. First, the facts in the case are obvious so this certainly isn't made up charges if and when they are placed. Second, Clark has been jerked around by Lynch and his lawyers so now he's going to play a little tougher, that's how law works. And lastly, and maybe the most retarded thing is, Lynch being a conservative Republican. Rush Limbaugh might have a heart attack if you said that, to which I would applaud, so please call that leader of the brainless and tell him that so he has a massive stroke on the air today.

On a more important note, the Ben Franklin quote you have there, it's a forgery, a lie, bunk. Franklin did not say "Wine is proof...." He said "Beer is proof..." Ben Franklin's attorney is going to sue you for libel and slander for even thinking for on second that one of the founding fathers of this country was a wine drinker, when everyone knows, revolutionaries and visionaries aren't wussified wine drinkers. Wine is for people who haven't discovered good beer, who've only been subjected to yellow fizz, ie. Coors, Miller, Buttwiper, Labastard Blow, Genny, etc. On with your regularly scheduled rants.

Yeah, I usually (and I have a jornalism degree) consider investigative journalism to be getting someone too chickensh!t to give their name for a story to make an accusation that is not contained in a police report or arrest record. The problem is, newspapers, or whatever the Buffalo News considers itself, have somehow considered themselves beyond accusations and reproach, just like cops, so they figure they can write whatever they want and basically quote Casper the Ghost and we as citizens should essentially take it as gospel. I mean, afterall, cops never do anything wrong so whatever Joe Anonymous cop says must be true. I know 4 cops, all steal from their stations, half go to PA every year to buy fireworks, all let hot chicks out of tickets and write tickets to people they think are arrogant, so save the integrity BS, it's more like they hide behind their badges and think the rules only apply to common folk, or as they say "mutts." Problem is, who cares. Everyone is full of conjecture, innuendo, anonymous tips, and lies at this point. Everyone takes a side and NO ONE KNOWS THE FACTS. Until one of these wussy cops puts their name to the story (we're supposed to assume that because a journalist has a friend who's a cop that said cop is a valuable source) or Frank Clark files a charge, it's all a waste of time. Nothing to see here, go back to your regularly scheduled boredom and discussion.

Well, let me debunk a couple myths in this thread with one response. 1. Despite all these developments you see, we're still bleeding population (5,000 loss in Erie County last year alone) and most developers are not planning major project going forward because of many reason, one predominany one being that the market for new homes is drying up with the loss of the younger generation. I work in the development field locally, I know all the players. It's dying. I'd love to throw the economic and social data up here and blast away at your "could not be further from the truth" statement but I don't have time right now. I will say that as a region, we're one of the more struggling in the country. Lumping a few rich suburbs into the equation and trying to extrapolate that over the entire county or region is a major error. 2. The fact tha NYS abolished for all intents and purposes and limitations in ticket reselling by third aprty entities, ie, scalpers and brokers, has artificially inflated season ticket sales. I'd bet my house on it. I would love the Bills to give us just the zip codes of season ticket holders. Face it, it's now legal to scalp so people uy entire rows or multiple rows and resell them on Stubhub, Craiglists, etc. Sure, people buy it and we're selling out, but let's not confuse the season ticket holder number with some sort of regional positive. What gets me, if they can sell them for these high prices, why aren't more teams against the scalping law and upping thier prices to make more profit?

Sweet, for 2.5 hours of your time, plus the hassle of posting them somewhere, then shipping them to make a paltry $250, if you consider your time "free." I guess time isn't money to some. That's why morons scalp and smart people invest. Between now and that game, I'll take the $300 you dropped on the seats and I'll triple it in the market.

How about this: don't root for the guy. End of story. Obviously, you have strong emotional feelings, maybe you should see a counselor to talk about it. Talk your way through it, one emotion at a time. Start with anger and rage and work your way to confusion and embarassment and hopefully when you're done, you'll be able to watch a Bills game again without going Lou Ferrigno every time Lynch carries the ball. Remember, when he's convicted and gets 2 years probation and the maximum fine, you can't ever root for him again. Ever. When he scores a TD, don't stand up and cheer. When he busts a long run after running over some helpless DB, don't clap. Afterall, one has to maintain one's integrity if you're opening calling for the "clown" to not be on this team. No being a hypocrite now, we'll be watching your posts. No one likes a guy who lacks integrity and flips flops with the direction of the wind.

I second the GREEDY BASTARD take. What a tool. Go to ebay like the rest of the scumbags.

Then why come here? Just to act like a retard and make a comment to the people who ensure you can sit home and watch the games for free on TV.

I agree, what a total joke and embarassment. The entire system blows. They should be ashamed.

Guns are for puzzies. Anyone who stands behind a document written hundreds of years ago as justification for owning a gun is a moron and a coward. Guns a re a vicious circle of problems. People like you love them for some odd reason (I have my suspicions, such as it's instant balls or guts or someone makes you feel confident, which you aren't without it) and say "they're for protection." To which I respond: protection from what? And you and the others respond "from other people with guns" and always fail to see the idiocy, hypocrisy and irony of that argument. The next time I hear a ration pro-gun argument will be the first. You were looking for a fight here by insinuating that the guy's use of thw word piece was a shot your fifth amendment rights. Typical gun-owner, anything not pro-gun is anti-gun so rally the retards.

Wrong. They own them first for the profit, second for the pleasure. Winning increase profits and increases pleasure, which inflates their ego. But don't be foolish enough to think that anyone invests $800M or more for pleasure. Sorry, I'm a diehard Bills fan and if I bought the team, it's be first as an investment and second as pleasure.

Sorry, but as a sports fan, and I consider myself intelligent, I don't need some obnoxious radio personality in the 49th largest market (see: meaningless, irrelevant) telling me what to think and why other callers are wrong. I like sports, I like news and I like sports commentary. What I don't like is arrogant, dismissive and obnoxious hosts who feel that THEY are the reason anyone tunes in. Frankly, THEY are the reason I tuned out. Why have people even call if they only time they can never get through the call. They either get cut off for disagreeing or they cut off mimicking what was already said. WTF kind of crap is that? Someone called me last week and said Poop and the Bullfrog was not Williams and the Bulldog. I tuned it, and to be honest, firing Schopp would be a blessing for that station. Williams outclasses, outshines and out hosts Schopp. I'd start listening again. Sad thing that we're subjected to a guy who in high school spent his time not being cool, collecting baseball cards, playing stratomatic, and collecting stats for the teams in his high school and never felt accepted and now because he thinks he smarter than the population of WNY and has a radio station to use as his bully pulpit, we have to be subjected to it. Or better yet, we don't, we just turn it off!!!!!!!!!!

Had my seats last year in 244 and the view wasn't the best but the board was totally behind us. But we moved this year because the Rockpile and adjacent sections is basically the a-hole sections. We had 4 teenagers or early 20-somethings in front of us totally wasted every game. Now, I've been bombed at a game before so I'm no saint, but these morons we unbearable. One dude during the Ravens game passed our and pizzed himself. And fights, every single weekend. Maybe 204 is out of the fray? Anyway, I moved to 313 this year because I sat up there once last year and the view is great compared to the end zones. Sure the action might be further away but you see everything on the field spatially as it happens. I'd take the upper deck anywhere on the 35 yard line before any section in the endzone. There are seats available in the upper 300s in the dark red seciton on the seating chart for only $40 more per seat that where you are. Oh, and the view of the scoreboard rocks!

Who's Peter Schrager?

I came to the boiard for the first time this weekend and remember why this place has denegrated to absolutey retardation. Dr Douchenstein is one of the ring leaders who has taken it upon himself to ensure that duplicate posts are slammed as ignorant. Then there's Dr Douchenstein's propensity to just be negative about everyone's posts for the sake of being negative. What's the matter, didn't get your allownace from mommy this weekend to buy KoolAid so you can sit in the basement and post all weekend. This used to be a great place, but the internet has given everyone the false belief that A) they're smart (they're not) and B) that only thier opinion is correct (most times they're not) Good thing I have a life because if I'd hate to be like you losers, living and dying by this football team and sitting in front of your computer analyzing some no name D-II football player and ripping other people for having an opinion.

Kiper gives the Bills a B in the first round when at 11 they draft the guy he had at 10th in his mock and 19th on his big board. Gives the Pats* an A and major ballwashing when they draft Mayo at 10th and he has him at 17 on his big board and 15th in his mock? This guy is unreal. Where's the logic? The Bills draft a guy 8 spots higher than Kiper has him ranked and one spot after he projected him. The Pats* take a guy 7 spots higher than Kiper has him ranked and 5 spots before he has him projected? How people take these clowns seriously is beyond me. But even more gross is that no one will ever say anything bad about the Pats*.

I'm in 313 on the aisle closest to the 50. Good seats and a great view.

Change Keith Olberman and Liberal to Rush Limbaugh and Right Wing Lunatic and it still rings true! My point? Let's keep the political rhetoric off the boards, it lends nothing to any discussion.

Good idea but unfortunately someone will A) try to make it work and look stupid or B) keep going with the -inky rhymes.

I think that's basically socialism and anathema to free market economics. Basically, you can't fault these guys for wanting more, but at the same time, they should realize that the value of the league and their teams is based on its competitiveness, widespread popularity and actualy have oppponents each week. I think in a perfect world, the NFL wants 32 teams that are in the top 32 most economically viable market (don't confuse populate with economic viability, they are not necessarily positively correlated). Unfortunately, Buffalo, Detriot, Cleveland and Pittsburgh continue to bleed people (see recent story about population loss in the Northeast comapred to growth in the southeast and west) and businesses/jobs. In reality, the league has major problems in these four cities, plus some others. The reality then is that the league needs to ensure that it has a system in place to allow these teams to remain viable in the face of economic issues in many cities. The NFL can never become like MLB. MLB is a joke in terms of competition and stupidly, they never try to fix it. The attempt with the luxury tax is a joke, which allows team to spend over a limit but pay a penalty. So the same markets that are the problem (Boston and NY) continue to spend and pay the luxuty tax and use the rest of MLB as their farm team. If the NFL went to a system like that, the Bills should leave, unless everyone likes the idea of being the Kansas City Royals of the NFL. It'll never happen though because the NFL by nature is a short season, 16 games, every game means something anfd that works for ticket sales and marketing. No one cares about a MLB in April in Minnesota. Structurally and scheduling wise, no one touches the NFL. So instead of shooting themselves in the foot, they shold find something that works. Sadly, greed is pervasive and these 3 jerkoffs would kill their own young to make a buck. Lastly, it's interesting that Jerry Jones was able (not sure if the story mentioned it) to get $300+ million from the city to build his new stadium. And is he sell all the seats and suite licenses as expected, he leaves after season one with ZERO debt load on the stadium! Imagine the ego on this guy if he can secure tax dollars for a team everyone knew was never leaving!

EXACTLY. My list of complete a-holes on this board starts with Finkle.

Define offseason. Give some dates. Basically, you;re critcizing the guy for not being here from the first weekend of February until the 4th week of March, about 7 weeks. Sorry, but the season, whether the Bills are still playing or not, ends with the Super Bowl. For you to expect the guy to stick around from the end of December through March is laughable, unrealistic and frankly stupid. So either prove Eli (who by the way sucked from his rookie year until about December of this year) and his WRs were playing catch in January and February or save it. Better yet, tell me all the other QBs who spend their Jans and Febs working out at a team facility together. Basically, from now until camp is when players work out together. How much working out can they do? You're building an entire case against Trent on this stupid idea and using it as your flame thrower. It's a joke. Do you stay late at work everyday for free and work on your craft? For free.

Nothing, you already told her twice!

It's not safe to say and who made you keeper of the board. Did it ever dawn on your tiny brain that this board acts as a clearinghouse (look it up pea brain) for those of with jobs and little time to spend surfing the net for every shred of Bills news. Thanks for the post about Lynch, much appreciated.