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Come on guys, it wasn't a "wow" post. He has a point. We're biased towards certain players. Manziel has only played a couple games and everyone thinks he's a total bust (or just wants him to be because they don't like him personally). A lot of people have used the "only 14 games" card with EJ. He's got a valid point there. I guess saying Manziel will be good in 3-4 years is questionable. I think Sammy is an incredible talent, and normally you should be patient. But the way Evans and OBJ (and Benjamin before the injury) have produced, you just expect a bit more. A poster was snarky when someone mentioned Watkins might be prone to injuries because he works out too much (pretty harmless speculation IMO) and that's what jaybee was referring to. And I agree 100%, the general consensus on this board, and nearly every mainstream board, is based on popularity. I read his post over a 2nd time and I don't see what he said that deserves a response like "wow" which is better used on a post advocating Eugenics or domestic violence or something.

Even that's not iron-clad. It was based on Twitter reports. John Wawrow released a report stating Cassel might start two days before Tyrod was named starter. You can't trust most reports because they all have agendas from front office execs, GMs, coaches, agents, players, etc.

He's 30 and is a converted CB. Not a lot of years left. And he's only played what, 2 NFL games at FS. Nothing wrong with getting a good young player who's natural position is FS.

Wouldn't mind a FS in the first round to replace Graham who's getting old and out of position. Other than that, BPA all the way.

You don't like the guy personally. If you can't separate your emotions from Marrone then there's no point in debating with you.

4 previous seasons before Marrone: 6-10 6-10 4-12 6-10 Let's go further back: 7-9 7-9 7-9 5-11 He turned it around. If you don't give credit for the Pats win, then you should consider we lost to the Chiefs because of a fumble at the end zone.

Our future looks tremendous. Now that most likely QB is not a major need, what are our needs for draft and FA next year? Safety? Tackle? Nickel CB? We're looking really good.

I always felt it was the lamest argument tactic to accuse somebody defending a certain person to be that person or a member of his family. You're trying to paint a picture that my stance is so pathetic that only a family member can defend it. Why don't you argue the point on it's merits instead of using high school debate tactics. I always raise an eyebrow when somebody starts a reply with a backhanded ad-hominem. Why are you afraid to just counter my point, why feel the need to insult? I never said Marrone was an offensive guru. I said he was brought here to turn the culture around and he did. Whether you like HOW he did it, doesn't really matter to me as much as the end result. A common topic is how he was supposed to be a great OL coach and our Oline sucked. Well, if we ignore personnel, the best I can say is that Marrone was a 1st time head coach who had a lot on his plate. He may not have had the time to coach the Oline himself. He made plenty of mistakes, like the QB injury debacle his 1st year, but he admitted his mistake and they fixed it by bringing in Orton the 2nd year. Hell, that "mistake" was as much on Whaley as Marrone. There's no guarantee he couldn't have fixed whatever was wrong during this offseason if he stayed. I mean, the Jags Oline looked solid vs the Dolphins. Sure some of the fault in the losses falls on Marrone, but I think it's stretching it to somehow find a way to take the blame from Bryce Brown and pin it on Marrone. Every close victory in NFL history was dependent on a player NOT making one more critical mistake at some point in the game.

In general, people just couldn't stop going at him all off-season. Even now he's some sort of punchline. He had his warts, but they brought him in for his reputation for turning losing cultures into winning cultures and he did his job. He did it in a way fans didn't like, but he did it. 9-7 folks, should've been 10-6 if not for us looking past Oakland. 11-5 if Bryce Brown didn't fumble at the goalline. Would've been our best record since Wade Phillips. In my opinion and my definition, he was a tremendous organizer and team leader. He did his job and helped lay the foundation for the Bills today. He showed up and recognized that the problem was the team's attitude, the local media's attitude, and the fan's attitude. He got annoyed many times and dealt with it the only way he knew how, by picking fights. He didn't have Rex's charisma, but he did what he could. Eventually it was too much for him. I don't care about his personality and I don't care that our offense was futile and that he hired some no name as OC. All I cared about were wins and turning around the culture and that's what he did. We didn't want him here, he didn't want to be here, so he left. Now we bring in a new QB, an elite RB, and elite WR, and top notch TE, a pro-bowl guard and one year older lineman, and people think Marrone would've done worse? Cut the BS.

Don't forget Jackson and Spiller were injured for half the year. It was remarkable that we finished 9-7. Fans didn't like Marrone so they gave all the credit to Schwarz and the defense. True they did great, but for some reason it became "fact" around here that they did well despite Marrone. It's pretty obvious things like that bothered him. Imagine working your ass off, dealing with cancer, and turning around a vicious losing culture and then being hated by the fanbase that only gives some other guy credit. I would leave too. It's downright savvy he took $5M doing something he wanted to do. Fans keep kicking him because they feel abandoned. He left on his terms and that bothers many fans. There's some sort of deep insecurity he touched and that's why everybody is so butt-hurt even though he's the one with $5M in the bank coaching in FL. By the way, the Jaguars look improved. How about that.

What's weak about leaking negative attacks on Whaley to the press? It happened, I'm not making it up. And who has enough sway in the marketing department for Graham to use them as a source? Are there that many? Would Graham listen to a low-level employee? Pegula may be in charge but there was no house-cleaning. Most of the whiny little girls from the Ralph era are still there. The team and coaching staff is better, but there is still plenty of left-over. Perhaps, but there were negative leaks to the press. Where there's smoke there's fire. It's not like there was friction last year before the season started between the old guard and the new guard.

Definitely bored, but no agenda.

Yes he is, but how do you know there's no power left to be had? Are you employed in the Bills organization? Who would get an earful from a sponsor? Would it not be somebody involved with marketing? Like Russ Brandon, or a subordinate of Brandon? Why is it time to dispense with that storyline after you provide some weak counter-arguments.

Again, I hope so. I don't want him gone either. But I imagine his reputation is looking really good right now. Need to lock him up soon and not turn him off with the office politics. The very same thing that cost us Polian.

I don't think he wants the GM job, but he may want to be THE guy at One Bills Drive. Right now Whaley is his equal. A new GM may not hold the same sway. Somebody leaked the "rogue" thing to Whaley. And they had some sort of motive. I hope so, let's see on Sunday.

Puts the "rogue" comments in a different light. There's haters in the Bills front office who want him gone after this year. Now who's ambitious and would want to win a power struggle like that? *cough* Russ Brandon *cough*

They're just going to play the quick release, short throw underneath, slant game that Brady played and Eli is going to play Sunday, until we can stop it. Once we show we can make teams pay for throwing short all the time, the Bills defense will be truly feared by every team in the league.

We can't hold them accountable, we have to just "ignore" them. The idea that we are all just powerless actors who can only ignore something (which is a pathetically small-time move on a macro-scale of millions of viewers) bugs me. Every time somebody posts a thread trying to start a boycott gets responses like "this is insane", "check your mental health", "Haha you're only giving them publicity". Then a moderator closes the thread. When you get down to it, what those responses are are people telling you that you are powerless to do anything. Of course, this is very far from the truth. One determined person can get the attention of social media, authority figures with an agenda, or local media and start a grassroots campaign to make change at some pretty high levels. It happens everyday for things much larger that sports reporters on local radio stations or marginal beat reporters on ESPN.

I know some people are being cautious, but it's looking like Whaley might be one of the best GMs in the league already in finding personnel. Last night I was thinking about how we're going to resign all our players once Tyrod Taylor is due for an extension and I had trouble falling asleep. Harvin, Incognito, Preston Brown, Bradham, Gilmore, etc. All great players who need extensions. What great problems to have.

Really proud of him to overcome the negativity going into the season. What a steal in the 2nd round! If Miller becomes the guard we hoped he would be, this becomes an amazing draft.

Is this like the motion camera/stats that the NBA has now?

Interesting. I figured they were doing really well. What will they replace the live Sportscenter with? As for Rodak, he'll be gone eventually. Bills fans hate him and we are his biggest readership. People love to say "but he gets clicks blah blah", well true, but reputations take a hit. I'm sure the Buffalo News has lost plenty of readers with Sullivan and Bucky's negativity, eventually more than they gained. I know I'm one of them. They say negative karma comes back with interest. As soon as ESPN does their yearly check-up, they'll want to know why such a small-time NFL beat writer is so hated by the fanbase. It's abnormal and frankly I'm curious if he has a higher readership than James Walker before him.

I watched the Giants All-22. Their running game is meh. Shut down Eli and they're toast. Win the turnover battle, avoid dumb penalties, we win this game almost every time. Bills 31 Giants 17

He still threw a couple passes high on Sunday. Is that a mechanical issue? Height issue? Anybody know?

I agree. Once he started trusting his line, the field opened up for him. He's going to be a top 10-15 QB for a long time.