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The Jordan Cameron signing before the Bills offer sheet (adding another 4.6M to the 2015 cap and 9.5 to the 2016 cap) to the dolphins is just another example that there was no point in that type of structure for Clay. Once that happened there was no way they were going to match. They signed him before the offer sheet. They did not sign him after looking at the Bills offer sheet to Clay. Dolphins already moved on.

Jordan Cameron signed before the offer sheet which kind of makes the structure pointless then.

Please show me with tangible numbers which indicate Charles Clay career is comparable with the best TE's in the game? His body of work is the epitome of a second tier TE in the NFL that only stayed healthy once in his career.

It's a matter about being diligent and having common sense rather than speculation. In terms of the contract the Bills got played plain and simple. He is not a tier 1 TE based on his metrics. Actually, there isn't a single metric that shows he is actually deserving of top 3 TE money. Reality is the Bills are paying Clay Tier 1 money for a 2nd tier TE with major realiability and injury concerns. You think he is great because he is better than the trash the Bills have had of the past. His game isn't comparable to the best TE's making similar coin (past and present).

It's because you do not have a valid response in return.

When there own doctors say they have questions with his knees even holding up two years it is a safe bet they are not going to match on average 8 mill guaranteed/year contract, front loaded or not. The Bills overplayed their interest in Clay and they got burned.

All the problems with his knees with Miami are true though. It's not made up to save face.

It's not speculation do your homework. It is right from the doctors mouth regarding their health report on his knees. You can connect the dots anyway you like. The Bills got played.

I don't think he will be the highest paid but I doubt the Bills will be able to afford to sign him if he hits the open market.

Again no substance to prove that I am incorrect.

Saying incorrect without any explanation just shows you how little you actually know.

Totally agree with you here. The agent would be a total dummy for Glenn to sign a contract prior to FA. Glenn has all the cards on the Bills too. Bills can't afford the tag IMO without other major consequences. OverTheCap also mentioned today that agents will be looking for 20% over market value because of salary cap increase as well. Glenn is in for a nice pay day this year.

Trump is going to nail the town hall tonight. Looking forward to hearing Bush and Trump tonight.

There was no way Miami was going to match a multi-year offer (front loaded or not) for Clay based off their own doctors concerns on his knees. Especially with the risk involved with one that averages top 3 TE money. Miami put the screws to the Bills on this one.

If he was the offensive matchup nightmare that you make him out to be that would be indicated in his YAC (which is on par with Chandler). Reality is he is an overall improvement over Chandler but not near what they are paying him (also it is a disastrous contract in terms of how it is structured). He is not a top 3 TE in the game as his pay indicates. An overall improvement but still a bad signing IMO when you factor in the contract and his inability to stay healthy.

Clay just made overthecaps worst contract (per team basis). What was so disappointing about Clay in his first year is that he was no upgrade in terms of YAC over Chandler and that is pretty much the most important metric for a top 3 paid TE.

You still haven't shown me the posts that show this and it has been proven over the last week you are in way over head regarding the salary cap.

Amen to that!

You only say this because you have been called out as a fraud about the salary cap and have no other recourse.

He wasn't actually discrediting what I was saying which was back loading will still cause a higher future cap hit and dead money when you have pending WR, QB and CB contracts that will need to fit in those same future years. You don't understand that because you don't understand the cap.

Yes, I understand it very clearly. Back loading Glenn and Incognito is not without consequences and it will become a vicious cycle when you have a pending franchise QB, franchise CB next year and your franchise WR a little further down under that same stretch. It is not without trade-offs, which you clearly do not take into account when you discuss the salary cap. This is what happens when you reach cap hell. It becomes an NFL version of a ponzi-scheme.

I'm the only one on this forum that would take into the account of the ramifications of a salary restructure. I'm the only that understands the implications of a accelerated salary inflation because of the rising cap every year. I'm the only one that takes into account present and future implications of signing, releasing and restructuring contracts. You have a very simplistic, myopic view of how the cap actually works.

You still haven't showed me anything of substance that you understand the flexibility of cap management - restructuring, releasing players (dead money involved) or looking at how cap fluidity will accelerate players salaries. This is because you do not understand any of this or you think it didn't exist. You are also quoting posts of yours that you wrote AFTER I called you out that you have no understanding of the finer details of the salary cap. It proves my point further. You have not shown me any measurables or anything of substance that they ARE NOT in cap hell in 2016. You just quote the words fluid and flexible but you have no idea of what they actually mean.

None of us know how that scenario is going to play out just yet. I don't think it is a given that is enough to get it done.

The facts are the Bills are in cap hell for 2016. It's the casuals who do not understand the fine details of the cap that don't get this. The people that get this are individuals that run the site OverTheCap. They will be out of cap hell next year if they play their cards right but if they do things like moving a complete roster bonus into a signing bonus for players like Clay they will end up in cap purgatory and potential cap hell once again in the coming years. Obviously you don't understand the "flexibility" of restructuring but that's ok. You have no understanding of the realities of the cap. You think the cap is like playing the offseason in a Madden video game.