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i would say cam then quinn then dareus as my top 3, with the stipulation that id want a lot of time with the first two before pulling the trigger. i just think they are both rare physical specimens that if they have good heads you cant pass on them. the third being the all around package that is a safe bet and good fit.
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it might be hard for us to mess this one up. There is so much talent when #3 is called up.
I'm a Dareus fan myself.
My fear is that even "can't miss" guys are like 50-50. Even if we pick a "stud" in 2-3 years we might regret it.
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Well I'm not losing sleep over it since I didn't think it all that likely we could pry him away.
But as to paying him top 5 money... It's a risk no doubt, but he has improved over time and was very good last year. Was it a payday year, or has he just gotten better? Shrug. Don't know the guy.
But let me make it clear I'd LOVE to have him on our team.
top 5 for 1 year is not a huge risk, top 5 for 5 years with a top 5 signing bonus is risky as hell with a guy like that.
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Is he a better prospect than Levi Brown?
a better prospect for what? levi brown is a prospect to be our primary back up in a few years.
kaepernick would be a prospect to probably match that timeline, but with a year less in the nfl.
in that sense hes a better prospect i guess?
who looks for their actual qb in the late rounds? i cant think of anyone that does this in real life. i know on message boards its fun to argue which guy to take but when guy A has a 4% chance to be starter, and 20% chance to be backup, and guy B has a 7% chance to be a starter and a 14% chance to be a successful back up -- what are you really debating about? this is a conversation that a team with a HOF should be having. whos the back up in indy, ne, or new orleans and whether they can upgrade him in the 5th round - not if these guys should be our #1 for the next decade.
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Bills won't take newton, too much of a risk for RW.
every possible indication in the world says you are wrong.
ralph said he wants a qb.
he is going to have to pay someone in that 3 slot, and cam will sell more then enough in jerseys and tickets to make up for his premium over a guy like dareus, or cam jordan at DE.
fitz is still sans any kind of extension.
ralph has taken risks on tons of qbs - jim kelly? rob johnson? drew bledsoe? jp losman?
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the term coaches is pretty broad too -- people like the assistant offensive quality control coach, and the headcoach are really far apart on the spectrum. i do think its smart to keep the guys around the building, working, film study etc... hell, have them scout some players should you need something for them to do.
obviously somewhere you draw the line, and have to cut positions if this happens, but anything "skilled" i hold as long as possible and keep paid/happy.
its very possible you will have a lot of work to do in a very short time, so scouting opponents, college kids, free agents, even reviewing your own players during this dead time could help you hit the ground running out of the gate.
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Would love to see the Bills take Quinn at #3. A year away from football should not scare you as long as he has been working out. Vick was out for several years, and TB WR Mike Williams also basically missed a year and had a great rookie year.
Take Quinn in 1st Round, then grab Romeous from Pitt in a later round. Those two will be studs for years to come. The QB class is deep, i'd take any of the following: Locker, Ponder, Dalton; all of whom should be available after Rd. 1.
if he stayed healthy, its a year less of hitting, injuries etc.... which isnt a terrible thing. it all depends how he spent that time though. he could have trained with guys that know what they are doing etc. which isnt a substitute for playing time, but isnt as bad as the guy that was lazy and did just enough to get bye and not look terrible. ie. he could have still grown as a player but without getting a year of head on collisions and chop blocks. id take his year off over sam bradfords "year off."
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1 more year, and normally Id completely agree, but it might just be the CBA dispute that is putting a hold on that.
Even if we do draft a QB #3, I hope we extend Fitz for a few more years.
Although, he's already making about $4mil/season so Im not sure what they can extend him at. But luckily, QB is a good position to invest money in.
I agree on the CBA front - just surprised we've heard nothing.
If he's at 4mill you can kick him to 5 in 2012, 6.5 the next year, 8.5ish in 2013...
That certainly shouldn't be a limiting factor. I know getting a cap in place is a big deal. I'm just really surprised they don't tear up the deal and give home something like 2 years at 8-10 million.
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No, exactly the opposite actually.
He says he likes Fitz, but isnt sure if he is a "Franchise" guy. Then says, "but if there is a franchise QB sitting there for the good of the organization, we gotta go with it."
If they truly think there is a Franchise QB in this draft, they HAVE to and will, pick him at #3.
Maybe-sorta-kinda guessing and hoping on a late round guy is a waste of a pick and a waste of time. Either there is someone there we LOVE so much we must pick him at #3, or stay with Fitz who he thinks can get us into the playoffs.
Real question: is fitz signed 1 more year or 2? If just 1 year I would say the lack of contract talks speak volumes about the long term commitment. Still a ton of time - not saying it's the end all. But reading the clues, I see a qb sooner rather than later.
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I think they can but they would have to make an RFA offer to him that is higher than what he was making and that would be a big mistake.
There are a lot of different RFA tenders. Ranging from no compensation to first and third. Giving him a "same round drafted" or even a simple 3rd round would be better then letting him walk for free. It's a pre-set amount. Typically first round contracts are too long to deal with the fact it would be a pay cut. For about a million he would have first round compensation attached. If you want him to walk you could do like 1.5-2mill and see if he gets offers for a third round pick.
If there is a salary loophole- I don't know it.
In the end, no way these stand but better to do it - just in case.
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I was going to post lastnight that this was making the rounds with people that know shockey- but didn't have a link so I let it go. I think he'd take less to make going there work. He loves the place. Spends much of the offseason in Miami already. I remember being concerned for distractions going there for the superbowl. I believe he makes it happen, for a modest price too. It'll be a good deal for both sides.
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My understanding is that the shuttle drill is far more important for assessing DEs than the 40. Defensive ends don't run 40 yards unless something really bad or - more rarely - really good (turnover return) is happening.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2010/introducing-sackseer
Maybin's short shuttle time was very average (4.38) and his vertical leap was 38 inches.
I advise focusing on these things rather than the 40 time, which ultimately doesn't mean much.
EDIT: Schobel had a blistering 4.03 time in the short shuttle. Terrell Suggs, who had a slow 40 time, ran a very strong 4.14 in the shuttle. He's turned out OK.
Maybin was awful at the combine. He had the extra weight on him. Ran like a 4.8 40. When you look at the shuttle, cones, 40, jump... Anything measuring speed and explosion - he was on the outside looking in when compared to previous successful picks.
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I've been talking about QUinn for months now, and he has got all the tools to be a top pass rusher in this league. Btw, he has a great inside move, so he's not just a speed rusher.
WHen the combine comes, he won't run a 4.38, probably will be closer to mid 4.5's which would still be a phenomenal time for some one of his size. He's strong, agile, fast and productive, what's there not to like other than him missing football last year?
Btw, his teammate Bruce Carter. Will probably be an even better pro who is stronger and faster than Quinn. Not a passrusher, but just a good overall LB.
If not for suspensions that defense might have had a few first rounders this year. If we get 1-2 of them I won't complain one bit.
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I would like to genetically clone Byrd, Whitner and Wilson to create a super safety.
In all seriousness, Wilson and Whitner are a good 1-2 punch. Unfortunately, I do not see both of them resigning.
Also, Dungy saysSanders could go back to Colts.
buuuuutttttt polian knows what hes doing and sanders is CLEARLY washed up and worthless at this point.
or maybe not?
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can we create some article on there about you and then link it here then
We could even cite a thread on here as our source for our bleacher article. It might seem circular, but im pretty sure its foolproof. After kicking it back and forth one or two times, im pretty sure it becomes fact.
Ill start the thread -- Buffalo Bills fan Jboyst62 of the stadium wall has reportedly.....
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Finding it hard to understand why that one was necessary.
Also Re: wonderlic scores:
I'll bet everyone wishes they drafted Steve Stenstrom (35) over Kerry Collins (30) or Steve McNair (15).
Or Bill Musgrave (29) over Brett Favre (22).
Noted NFL duds Terry Bradshaw, Jim Kelly and Dan Marino each only scored 15.
i guess i just dont get the hostility towards the wonderlic. just like a 4.3 vs a 4.4 isnt a huge deal, a 20 vs a 30 isnt. just like a 4.2 doesnt mean your worth a thing on the field, nor does a 40 on the wonderlic.
his 10 is like running a 4.5 - can still succeed but itll be harder.
do we have a large portion of posters that didnt do well on standardized tests or?
Its 50 questions in 12 minutes. Its very easy to let some time slip away while reading and understanding the questions. You're talking about answering a question every 14 seconds. Simply reading each questions and all the answers twice could easily take 30 seconds. Boom, you're already down to answering only 25 of the 50 questions. Get stuck, accidentally spend a minute on a question (something not unrealistic at all), you're down to answering only 20 questions.
My point about the test is that it doesn't in fact test intelligence, and most of you guys are foolish for ignoring all reports about Spiller, and then stating he's mentally retarded because he got a low wonderlic score. I also find it foolish that you bash him for scoring a 10, but you'd have no problem if he didn't even try and simply guessed at every question and scored a 20.
now your just being argumentative. obviously it matters if he guessed and got a 20 - but you expect those scores to fall in a bell curve if thats what he did, and it would be a 1 in 100 chance of that.
what im saying is that in 20 mins i could better prep him then you are saying he got.
and yes, ability to read and process information quickly is a part of intelligence. if it takes him twice as long as average to do that, it says that he probably isnt quite as smart. doesnt mean hes drooling on himself but the AVERAGE person gets twice as many right. do we just throw out all IQ tests, SATS, LSATs, and wonderlics because some people are poor test takers and dont get that you need to fill something in and move on if you dont know the answer? yea if at 2 mins to get he has 4 questions filled in, he should just start filling things in. that in and of itself shows some intelligence.
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the test has no validity, because a score is easily skewed if an individual does or does not know how to take the test. You are assuming Spiller answered all 50 questions and got 40 wrong. There's nothing to even suggest this happened. You have 12 minutes to take the test. The large majority of players don't get through the entire test. Lets say Spiller got stuck on question 9 for an inordinate amount of time. Maybe he then only answered 12-15 questions. So right off the bat his max score would have been a 15.
The wonderlic is one of the worst ways to measure intelligence, and very little credence should be given to results, be it low or high.
Given my above example, are you really going to say that someone who randomly guesses at all 50 questions and scores a 15-20 is more intelligent than someone who gets 10/15 correct, but doesn't answer the remaining 35? The test is not testing intelligence, its simply testing how well someone can take that specific test.
depends how you look at it. as a top ten pick i would almost prefer he was illiterate then he doesnt know how to take a simple test. as someone that was graduating early and with honors you would think he would have an atleast decent background in test taking. unless he had special accomodations for a learning disability or something.
you act like spiller walked into this cold with no way to prep and happened to not do well. i dont see that even remotely possible. i think he had every opportunity to prepare. which is worse, the guy thats terribly dyslexic or the guy that just doesnt care? im hoping that its a learning disability and not that he spent 10 mins out of 12 on one of the questions. if you are working efficiently through questions and putting solid answers you might not finish, but you likely also get through about 40 questions with a good portion having solid answers. if you are getting a 10, something is wrong. how you want to justify it is up to you, but it isnt good. doesnt mean hes dumb or a flop at RB by any means but i dont get why you hate this test so much
do you really think no one told him what to do on this test? he got zero tips from his agent? from friends? from guys in the nfl? its not like it was a pop quiz on the first day of class and no one told him the rules or time limit.
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He appears to be the dominant pass rusher coming out for the 2011 NFL draft;however,coaches will breakdown full game films which may expose weakness not seen on highlight tape. The number one overall should be well rounded and balanced on and off the field. If Quinn can display solid(not amazing) run defense potential to Carolina, they may consider Quinn for their top pick in 2012.
i think you see even in the highlights, he is disciplined and does play the run honestly. theres a reason that he is a top 5 prospect without playing last year, and its not just that he gets around the outside. although that helps.
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Is it just me, or did he only seem to use speed going around the tackle to get his sacks in his highlight reel? I don't really want someone who will just try to run around the tackle all the time like Maybin and end up not doing anything ever.
Also, does anyone here know why he missed last year?
quinn ran a 4.38
maybin ran close to a 4.8... just a tiny shade under at the combine.... i think a 4.78-4.79, when he bulked up to 250. his speed and agility numbers were awful at 250. he ran about 4.6 when he ran at the school proday a few weeks later on a different track and a little lighter.
robert quinns playing weight - 265-270
maybin was playing at or around 230-235? i think he was under 230 at the preseason weigh ins his sophomore year.
not the same players.
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You knew this thread was coming. He's worth a look. This team sorely lacks at the position and while Shockey is an ass, his veteran presence could help. We have young, unproductive tight ends in Buffalo. I don't see him wanting to come here though.
he really hasnt even been an ass since coming to new orleans -- hes well liked on the team, and in the community. like i said, he lives on the same block as me, 2 buildings down the street. hes out in the bars and restaurants in the area consistently and hasnt been causing trouble. a couple times i saw him out later then youd like close to game day, but otherwise, hes been low key and a great teammate, does a ton in the community. i see him every few days and the guy is a beast. i think the giants incident, and coming to new orleans helped him grow up a bit.
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Can anyone explain to me how that's "per Bleacher Report" (which isn't a news organization - it's a collection of VERY amateur blogs), when it's a direct link to a BB.com post from Chris Brown, official lead journalist (team beat reporter, also sketchy on his journalist designation)?
Does Bleacher Report actually take this stuff and claim it for its own?
if you want to get technical, its per dwans twitter maybe 2-3 days ago. its not even like brown did an interview. a fan asked him what qb he liked and he tweeted the answer on his own.
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the crazy thing will be if green stays put as #1 talent, cam and quinn could move ahead of fairley, bowers and fairley as a toss up.... fairley could still slide to 5 ranked talent before all is said and done. if 2 qbs go in the top 5 (ie cam 1 or 3, and gabbert to arizona) he, or peterson could slide pretty far in a mock for guys that were "obviously top 3" just weeks ago, along with guys like dareus and miller.... just so far from settled at this point.
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Yet, by all accounts, from coaches to family/friends to scouts/draftniks, Spiller is intelligent. I'll take their word over some standardized test.
Standardized tests, such as the SAT, etc, simply test your ability to take that particular test. They dont actually test for intelligence (unless you define intelligence as the ability to memorize word definitions) The simple fact that a player can be coached up to get a better score invalidates the test as an accurate measure of intelligence. Take Losman for example. He scored a 15 and then what, a 25 on the re-test? Are you guys honestly claiming he got that much more "intelligent" in the month or so between tests? I doubt it.
no, but i am willing to say that you might get some variation test to test, and that it makes sense you can effect your score with bad situations etc... example, losman had to go to the bathroom allegedly, and we all saw how he preforms under pressure
the thing with a ten, is its so far off the charts bad, that we arent talking about poor test taking at that point. this isnt the difference between an 1100, and a 1300, or even a 900 and a 1300 on the SATs (i know they changed scoring but i know the old 1600 scale as many here do), this is the equivalent of below a 200 - ie hes scoring lower then the rate of just guessing. thats noteworthy.
the fact that you could set 4 bones in front of a dog, and use whichever he chooses as your answer to every single question and you will be a pretty heavy favorite to outscore spiller is.... odd? id guess that the dog would have 60-40 odds, if not higher, and i see that as likely indicative of a learning disability and probably major struggles with literacy. can you be smart enough to play football and have trouble reading, sure. does the fact that he likely cant read mean he might have trouble digesting an nfl playbook? potentially.
on the flip side, he has a twitter that isnt like reading war and peace, but is coherent. so unless he has his agent fill it out (which i could see some intern doing in that office).....
really a 10 is just amazingly, crazy bad, and id be curious to hear what happened.
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yea - he said this in a q&a the other day. dont think it means much. surprised he answered it though.
QB Draft for 2012
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But I thought luck was a once in a lifetime can't miss qb prospect.... Now he might not even be the best in his draft? A fickle bunch bills fans are.
Ps. Ever notice "next year" always has a real deep qb class?