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I've watched Urlacher look slow and sloppy for most of the 1st quarter. He makes Poz look all world. What's the fascination with this guy?
Makes big plays in crunch time. One quarter on a sloppy field man... It's not even halftime.
Also, poz isn't the bum most think he is.
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For the most part, you dont retire military weapons systems just becuase they get old. You reitre them becuase their mission goes away.
The B52 and A10 are REALLY bad examples of aircraft that should be retired "just becuase they are old." They both continue to serve their mission VERY well.
And the SR71 was....um....retired in the 80s, developed in the 50s and was HARDLY a "waste."
Thats not just the goverment, thats plenty of businesses in the private sector, too. I have plenty of clients who ask me to "come up with something to finish off the extra money laying around that was set aside for the other project, but not used."
It's true - even on a very micro level how often do you rush something into a month just so you can eat up budget. Even an office admin that is under will orde stuff to ensure the money keeps coming.
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Carson Palmer doesn't help the Bills get any better as a player...BUT...this does really help our draft position if Palmer is indeed traded.
That would make the Bengals need to draft a QB much higher...say if they have Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert targeted at #4 now and a QB starved team like the Vikings or Niners also want that same QB? Well now the likelihood of them trading up to #3 to jump ahead of the Bengals just increased dramatically, didnt it?
Lets keep our fingers crossed he's not on the Bengals roster when the Draft rolls around.
Devils advocate saying he won't be released, so it would have to be a trade. Player trades can't happen til a new CBA it's looking like. Even if he did get traded, it would be to one of those teams who would now not have to trade up. If it did happen I read best case (and it's good!) is to trade back to Arizona, pick up some mid round fluff (say a 3 and a 4 or something- not looking at the chart) and get dareus for less money.
1 - fairley
2- Peterson
3- insert qb
4 - bowers
5 - dareus.
1 - fairley
2 - bowers
3 - qb
4 - aj green
5 - dareus
Even if we miss out on points I think an Arizona trade is great, and feasible. Can't hurt to have Whaley given there Pittsburgh ties as well. Plus Arizona needs to show fitz that he will have a qb or he's a goner.
If they see a qb the like this is exactly the type of trade we could give them cheap, almost certainly get the guy I want still and get him cheaply while giving an extra pick (ie quality player or ammo to move up).
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Hey, Armchair. Would love to see us pick up some quality FA.
Not impressed by Saints OL this year. Brees didn't get sacked much more, but only because he's just about as slippery in the pocket as Rodgers.
Being hurried a major factor in the lower completion percentage and the higher %INT (exactly double in actual #). Yeah, yeah, 2.5% change not significant. 'Evs.
Not sure of the issue - think the starters on the line were all healthy? They have a new starting TE I think.
Which is not to say their guard couldn't be an improvement here.
I like Baltimore's OL. Flacco gets sacked a lot IMO 'cuz he hangs onto the ball too long and trends towards the "classic pocket passer" instead of the elusive guy with a view of the field.
It's going to be interesting to see how the draft falls in Denver. Fox has kept his O staff mostly intact, change-ups on D. Some seem to think Denver needs a QB.
They are 31st against the run which might argue they need a run-stuffing DL almost as badly as we do. I would see DB as lower on their needs list, we'll see.
I think the Big Picture is we all agree we have too many needs to fill through the draft, and need to both draft well and pick up some quality players off champion teams.
I would love us to pick up a couple OL and DL off CHAMPION teams so we have some more guys in the locker room who know what it takes to get there and can lead by example.
It was a lot of things.... I'm sure the injuries to shockey, PT23, Reggie, etc... All hurt the blitz pick ups. I know one major problem was as you got down the depth charts the quick dumpoffs that saved the saints were ineffective. Whereas Reggie is explosive, jones often was stuck flat footed. The extra defender reggie drew could either be dropped in coverage or blitzed.... Plus the refs swapping sides. Even though all 5 lineman were healthy they were fighting uphill. Bushrod and Nicks will not be a leader in this locker room - definitely guys who rely on the professionals around them to keep then moving from everything I've heard
Oddly enough, the emotional leader of the Dline is Hargrove. Leads a pregame huddle everyweek. He obviously had to go get his head together before he could be a good player, just a shame it wasn't with us. Mightve been the biggest injury down the stretch- lost 3 out of 4 with him out and only kept 2 DTs on the active roster. I think we saw the defense struggle without him.
Hey, Armchair. Would love to see us pick up some quality FA.
Not impressed by Saints OL this year. Brees didn't get sacked much more, but only because he's just about as slippery in the pocket as Rodgers.
Being hurried a major factor in the lower completion percentage and the higher %INT (exactly double in actual #). Yeah, yeah, 2.5% change not significant. 'Evs.
Not sure of the issue - think the starters on the line were all healthy? They have a new starting TE I think.
Which is not to say their guard couldn't be an improvement here.
I like Baltimore's OL. Flacco gets sacked a lot IMO 'cuz he hangs onto the ball too long and trends towards the "classic pocket passer" instead of the elusive guy with a view of the field.
It's going to be interesting to see how the draft falls in Denver. Fox has kept his O staff mostly intact, change-ups on D. Some seem to think Denver needs a QB.
They are 31st against the run which might argue they need a run-stuffing DL almost as badly as we do. I would see DB as lower on their needs list, we'll see.
I think the Big Picture is we all agree we have too many needs to fill through the draft, and need to both draft well and pick up some quality players off champion teams.
I would love us to pick up a couple OL and DL off CHAMPION teams so we have some more guys in the locker room who know what it takes to get there and can lead by example.
It was a lot of things.... I'm sure the injuries to shockey, PT23, Reggie, etc... All hurt the blitz pick ups. I know one major problem was as you got down the depth charts the quick dumpoffs that saved the saints were ineffective. Whereas Reggie is explosive, jones often was stuck flat footed. The extra defender reggie drew could either be dropped in coverage or blitzed.... Plus the refs swapping sides. Even though all 5 lineman were healthy they were fighting uphill. Bushrod and Nicks will not be a leader in this locker room - definitely guys who rely on the professionals around them to keep then moving from everything I've heard
Oddly enough, the emotional leader of the Dline is Hargrove. Leads a pregame huddle everyweek. He obviously had to go get his head together before he could be a good player, just a shame it wasn't with us. Mightve been the biggest injury down the stretch- lost 3 out of 4 with him out and only kept 2 DTs on the active roster. I think we saw the defense struggle without him.
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Saints were no increase minus new club sections. Fans will have a chance to move with new seats added. Superbowl renovations.
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If we had taken Brees in 2001, do you think he'd still be here with his horrendous start?
Do you think he would have developed at all given the revolving door coaching/coordinator situation we've had since thne?
maybe if we had gotten sean payton when he was available. he was contacted by buff as a HC interview.
although we would probably still have gregg had we hit on all those picks.
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Great inside info...thx!! For what it's worth, I think you can insert and OLinemans name here that had a bad year...doesn't mean they wouldn't return to form, or improve with a "change of scenery."
i think part of their good year was the hidden holds they were getting away with - they moved the ref to the other side of the line and flags started flying- especially with evans. i think part of their secret to the great 09 line was coaching some techniques that you can get away with, that they werent anymore. nicks has had character question marks since college, and though they have largely been put in the rear view, i think that we saw a regression, and also his poor handling of a preseason benching as red flags that will likely be with him long term.
bushrod i think is a swing tackle on most good teams, and prior to jamaal browns injuries, thats exactly what he was slated to be in new orleans.
just my 2 cents.
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Not trying to get too philosophical. But common sense kind of demands some constraints and discipline that is alien to most of these guys' upbringings. Kind of why it's becoming less common.
oh i totally understand, i was just justifying why i was going to kind of tread away from the topic somewhat -- we could talk all day about whether it goes to parents, teachers, coaches, extended family and friends (all of the above!)....
i just dont want to dilute how epically dumb this twitter feed was with logic and reason on our behalf
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That kind of thought process has to go into it, right? I mean, if you reward the wrong kinds of kids, you're basically enabling self-destruction. The league and individual franchises have some work to do in helping these guys, but it unfortunately seems some of that work should have been done by parents. A little late for that.
i dunno about getting tooooo philosophical on this topic, on this board.
it just astonishes me how much some of these guys lack common sense and how rich they still get.
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just a word to the wise on the nola lineman -- they were probably the weakest unit on the team this year. really what seperated last years superbowl team from this years wildcard team.
bushrod played serviceable. he got benched at one point last year, and was beat bad by an injured freeney in the superbowl, owned by ware.... might be better then what we have but not what we need. could fill a hole if we dont find someone else but is a bandaid.
nicks was part of the best guard tandem in the league last year, and they turned into a liability this year. nicks was put on the second team in preseason and forced to re-earn his starting job. didnt handle the demotion well, complaining publicly. nicks and evans were probably the biggest disappointment of the year. brees had pressure in his face coming from the inside all year, evans was a penalty machine.
if they had just about anyone else at qb, those guys would all have given up a ton of sacks as drew was under duress the entire season. and yes, their poor play resulted in a major knee injury to brees this year. id be cautious before investing heavily in either of those players, just as new orleans has been.
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I wouldn't mind picking up Rogers if he gets cut. When interested he's about as impactful as it gets from the inside. To get competitive in this division they have to hit big on some low investments in personnel.
I'm not in love with the idea of drafting DL very early in the first round to stock a 3-4. Not that the top talents in this draft aren't DL, they probably are. But part of the advantage of the 3-4 is that you don't need the elite athletes to play the DL and you can get excellent results using players that might not even be on the radar of a 4-3 team. Look at the Jets DL. It's Shaun Ellis and a bunch of role players. You can also take advantage of the fact that there are always more tweener DE/OLB's than there are quality DE's. You can find those type of players anywhere in the draft. It's just easier to stock a 3-4. If I were a Browns fan I would be pissed, chances are that it's going to take a few years to find the athletes for the DL to make a 4-3 front work.
doesnt jauron have a history with rogers in detroit? or did their times not line up?
also, lets talk about that jets line again -- wasnt one of their big investments kris jenkins (even if hes oft injured). also, i think with SO many teams switching to the 3-4 you will see them start to go earlier by need. having to beat out a lot of people to get that guy drives a mid rounder 5 years ago to the top 5 now. also, take into account that this makes the jets a team that targetted 2 out of 3 starting spots to big time players.
one thing that worries me about switching to 3-4 is that a unique system has unique needs. by being the only guy targeting a certain type of player theres no rush to get him. the 3-4 is not unique right now.
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Ed Reed, Troy Polomalu, Ronnie Lott. I would have picked any of them top 5. I would have taken Mike Brown and Bob Sanders top five also.
you could say that in hindsight, but in trying to forecast that kind of performance.... its much easier to justify the risk on a rare body. rare talent may or may not transfer depending on scheme, coaching, motivations.... a rare body type is a rare body type - so you have atleast one degree of the player being special locked down. you also cant find the combo of size and speed for a special DT late, where you can find the same size and speed for a safety. coaches like to believe if you have the physical tools i can craft you into an all-pro. because of that draft strategy, it makes it especially rare for a safety, even with top 5 talent, to be rated or drafted in the top 5.
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i remember when he was the #1 safety and a top ten prospect coming out of highschool.... i know they are 18 and i did dumb things at that age, and still do dumb things today but.... man... if i had the opportunities that he had.
things like this just remind me of how cautious you have to be giving these guys 50 million, like we will be giving someone in a few months.
wow, a gentleman and a scholar.
a true student athlete.
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Not sure if that was the year, I actually think it was in the late 80s, but Dr. Z picked every single playoff team. That was best prognostication ever!.....Although like you say this one is impressive. The Bills would be the easy pick for '91, but the Redskins? They ended up having an all-time great team that year, but how did he know. They were 10-6 the year before, and Giants and Niners were the two teams that dominated the NFC that year.
Dr Z was a good one. Wonder how hes doing lately? I know the redskins and bills werent a CRAZY pick, but as you said, redskins could have been third in their division. and if i recall, the broncos, jets, houston, etc... werent total push overs. i just know how terrible analysts are with their picks lately. As it turns out being a player that likes to run your mouth doesnt qualify you as an analyst after the playing days are done.
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Whitner to Cleveland? Calling it here.
Kelsay & McKelvin for #1 + #2 picks? A man can dream!
i wouldnt be surprised to see him target some of "his guys" on our roster.
Whitner and poz being two possibilities. i doubt kelsey, but its possible once the cba gets wrapped up - i just think there will be too much talent in FA this year.
real question: who, if anyone, really seemed to support him after his departure? i seem to remember whitner specifically referencing that he liked the new program more, and in an indirect way knocking DJ. is that true, or a creation of my imagination?
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this right here is why bad teams stay bad. didnt they just switch to the 3-4, now back to the 4-3 once they started to get to the point that they had the personnel needed? acquire talent, castoff talent, overpay in draft picks to reacquire new talent, switch back to original scheme, castoff talent
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Oh dear lord - kids today.....
Will Hill (Florida CB) has an open twitter, heres a link to an article about the public account. Might be considered NSFW - I certainly wouldnt open it with a boss behind me, but then again, will thought it worth sharing with his future bosses.
http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday.com/2011/1/19/1943956/the-happy-football-life-of-will-hill
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I don't really get a LB coach being an assistant coach. It's like being a project manager at a job, having a VP for a boss but the project manager is also the special assistant to the CEO. It undermineds the VP. Not saying Edwards is the guy, but if that's going to be DW's role, then just get rid of Edwards. Sounds like it's going to be confusing for everyone. I like bringing on someone with experience, but this is just weird (I get it, you almost have to give that title to DW if he's going to join, but still...)
It's actually pretty commonplace in the NFL. Just offhand singletary was hired into it, and Joe vitt has the same titles. I expect more gameplanning involvement from DW but not any "final say."
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Those kinds of questions are easy to argue either way, and totally depend on the context of the specific draft class and even then, the teams drafting.
It is relevant to ask whether the 2011 Buffalo Bills should consider taking Peterson or Prince with their #3 pick in the draft. I say only on condition. If either one is as good as Revis, and can be counted on to take away the other team's number one reciever, then sure. A corner with that kind of impact comes along once or twice a decade, I'd say.
But, if there were a Bruce Smith type defensive end, or a Warren Sapp type, high impact DT on board, also once a decade, then, in our case, you go D-line over secondary. Why? Because, secondary is almost exclusively pass related - it has to do with one half of the offense. A great D-lineman, though, can alter the opposition's game plan in both pass and run game.
The Giants are a perfect example, with their win over the Patriots in the Superbowl, of a team whose D-line is so dominant it can take away the passing game, too, for lack of enough time to throw. Seeing as how we cannot pressure opposing QB's that much, nor stop the run, if we have a chance to land a real monster on the D-line who can pressure the QB and stop the run, then we should jump on him. It would help us maximize K. Williams's talent, too. There's nothing worse than seeing talent like his go wasted on a team that has no one surrounding him to help. I think we've got 2 quality D-linemen in Williams and Carrington, and another two contributors in Edwards and Troupe. Throw in a real beast and it could be a strong suit.
Then there's the argument for drafting a QB, also, although to draft one as high as 3 he should be the next Rivers, Rodgers, Payton Manning, and not just a Sanchez or Flacco.
also agree with these points, and would like to add that a great dline makes linebackers, corners and safeties better. a great safety can do the same but its a lot harder to clean up mistakes from guys ahead of you on the field then it is to just dominate at the point of attack.
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Haha, I was just about to post the same exact link..... BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE
I love that cover. Also, props to dr z for his super predictions. i cant remember the last time anyone got those right. perhaps this year if green bay wins. i know they were a hot pick, and both afc teams are common picks.
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Revis, Woodson, Polamolu .... 3 of the 4 remaining teams have a future HoF'er in the secondary
they also all have 1st rounders at qb, great linebackers, and i would bet that 3 out of 4 have really good receivers, running games, tight ends, etc....
the difference between us and them - we have a couple of strengths, they have a couple of weaknesses. i think you just have to target the rarest talent, that you are most certain will translate in the top 5.
the talent level of the safety to justify that pick has to be once in a generation, as the fall off between great and good isnt that huge because as someone said, its just a more common body type. a lot more guys are 5-11, 210 lbs and run a 4.5 but very few are 6-3 300+ lbs and run near that range.
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i havent seen the simpsons in awhile, but theres a mr burns quality to both his appearance, and personality. just throwing it out there.
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If you redid the 2002 draft, which five players would you take over Reed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NFL_Draft
Peppers, McKinnie, Freeney?
In hindsight it's easy to play that game - back up qbs from Michigan are worth top 5 picks too?
It's about value and if the league values the top safety in the draft at 20, you don't have to take him til 19.... Even if you think hes Ed reed. The draft is an art - skill meets potential meets value. Taking a safety top 5 would be akin to taking Arian foster with a top 5 pick in your fantasy draft last year - in hindsight he didn't flop but you couldve taken him much later and had it be much more valuable.
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I have no experience with that program, but I'm currently doing a Masters program at Boston University. It's hectic (they take a 14 week semester and cover it all in 7 weeks....), but I'm actually learning more than I thought I would in the online setting. We have multiple lectures every week (recorded, in case you can't attend live), TAs are always available, as is the professor. I'm on my 4th class and aside from one where the professor was a jerk (smart, but a jerk), it's been fantastic.
Hope that helps a little, even if it's not in your field.
definitely any feedback helps, ive done distance learning before, but not strictly online, so it is one of my concerns.
Brian Urlacher
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You are right, poz isn't an outside linebacker picked in the top 15 (or an ILB in the top 5 in hawks case)on a defense with a ton of talent in front of and behind him. Nor does he play with another LB with talent, such as that of the packers squad.
Will he be that quality? Probably not. But he's still a very good ILB for our team.