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The problem I can't get around though in the fan argument is that it's not the players that are expendable. You make it sound like you would shell out hundreds of dollars a year to watch some 4th stringers start rather than Brady, Manning, etc. That's simply not true. The owners are the expendable ones...there are plenty of billionaires who have nothing better to do with their money than buy a football team...couple that with the fact that a franchise in the NFL runs successfully as a public stock option and I'd say it's the owners with a bloated sense of their worth in the process.
I'd have to guess there are more guys that run a 4.4 than there are billionaires ready to buy an NFL franchise.
And plenty of people spend hundreds to see those 4th stringers in the SEC, pac10, etc... Not to mention you would get a whole new crop of Kurt warners, Fred jacksons.... You lose fans but many would still watch. I would.
If we have a full season, the fans will be there, but if we have a shortened season I think a lot of fans will abandon ship for 2011. I purchase the Sunday ticket every year for one reason only...my beloved Bills. I have been a fan for half a century. I will not make the purchase this year to watch scab games...& I am not too enthused about watching other scab games either... even if they're free. If we have a shortened season, it's just not the same & I would probably only tune in for the playoffs.
Unfortunately- season tix are bought and paid for. Stadiums will be full in large markets. This hurts buffalo more than almost any other team.
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Again, you obviously are too stupid. A portion of your cable bill goes to the NFL, both players and owners. By not watching, ratings go down, which costs the network millions in advertising revenues. If the networks aren't making money, then they can't pay the NFL big money for the TV contract. If the league doesn't have the money, then they can't pay the players. You do have the power to hurt both the league and the players financially and the very fact that I have to explain it to you means that both you and the others are too stupid to understand the financial power that you possess. It has nothing to do with disagreeing with my opinion. That is your right and I spent 23 years defending it. If fans do not let players and owners know that we sign the checks, then they will always take us for granted and treat us like dirt. I can not believe the ignorance that people on this board display every single day. It makes me laugh. And yes I do value my own opinion, just as I value yours if it has any logic to it. Yours didn't and neither did any of the others. Mine on the other hand is well founded and makes good financial sense.
correct me if im wrong, but if im not on a monitored TV, i have no effect on the ratings of a TV show personally.
in this case boycotting merchandise in general, and concessions at the game would make far more sense then anything you have proposed (still enjoy the game since every avenue youve mentioned is already bought and paid for, and would just punish fans), and as someone else pointed out, this would still hurt tens of thousands of everyday americans immensely to get even with a handful of people that will barely notice even if you somehow, by some miracle get even a small percentage of fans on board.
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In light of the millionaires and billionaires being unable to come to agreement on how to split up over 8 billion dollars in revenues, I propose a boycott of NFL games for the upcoming season. Once the agreement is reached, don't buy any tickets, don't go to any games and don't watch the ones on TV. That is the only power we as fans have. Let both owners and players know that it is we the fans that are making them both rich, while we struggle to pay our own bills. I would be willing to sacrifice an entire season of football to send a powerful economic message to both groups. If they lose millions next year, both parties will think twice about ever putting us through this again. Thoughts?
as it turns out, a huge percentage of the people in the stands own season tix on a national level. those tickets are bought and paid for in most markets. with the intro of a psl, long term contracts, or even simple seniority, the only loser in a boycott is again, the fan.
truly you should be mad at the media at this point. the coverage is getting a little much. i dont need daily and hourly updates over who forgot to say bless you when drew brees sneezed at negotiations, and whether he shook an owners hand without washing his first.
the only fan impact the NFL or NFLPA has doled out to date is free agency being about 2 weeks late. otherwise, you have seen no consequence or effect yet, beyond the media reports you are choosing to follow. try again if games get lost in all this.
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Not true according to Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh-Post Gazette: http://plus.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/pro-sports/steelers/108526-ed-steelers-can-trade-future-picks
This is all hypothetical. This is probably what they will offer upfront. From a pure point standpoint we'd give up 2200 acquire a 1200, get 36 with their 5th rd, & probably get 1200 with their 1st next year. We probably would want to counter with their 2nd or 3rd rd pick this year instead of a 4th or 5th.
1)thats the first ive heard yes for next years picks
2)the rule of thumb is you discount next years value by one round in this years (ie next years first is equal to this years second)
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jason isbell just announced a show in ithaca in may -- may 21, sat night $15, tix on sale today
just fyi
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PR spin control. The main issue is money. Always has been. Always will be. And the owners decided to create a system where they pay their employees a percentage of the total revenue. When they did that they created a partnership. But they expect the players to take their word on what that total number actually is. On trust alone. Now, there isn't a business in the world that would agree to sign a new deal based on this principle without seeing the books. The fact that the NFL is insisting that they met the players' finical demands is a bold faced lie since the desired number is a percentage of a number the owners refuse to acknlowdge.
If the owners didn't have anything to hide they would show the books. If the leave was really not making record profits and generating record revenues, they'd show their books because it would take whatever leverage the players have away.
i didnt know the total revenue was in question. a full audit is very different. clearly the league needs to share the size of the pie, but how the teams spend there share is the teams business. if i were an owner i wouldnt want to hand de smith those books either. the numbers are on a scope no average fan can comprehend and demaurice has proven time and time again to manipulate and lie about numbers. dont you remember when he said he was willing to split the difference and lower the percentage of revenue 8%, but quietly glossed over that in return he wanted an extra billion in the calculation, actually RAISING the players pay from the current deal -- Trumpeting that as a huge 8% give back? hes been slimy through this whole thing.
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I wanted to like Quinn but he left me wanting more with his combine performance. I know it's not the be-all to end-all but when you're out for a year I would think that the combine was his SB. He had all that time to prepare for the main event in his life to that point and he seemed fall a bit flat. He didn't stink it up but he seemed to lack the explosiveness I thought he had. Maybe he was just having an off day. I hope the kid brings more to his pro day.
GO BILLS!!!
I'd agree with all of this- I'm curious to see his proday, visits etc... It's hard cause its just one day. Could be telling, or nothing. I tend to lean towards his UNC time to be trumped a little for preseason polls but he's still faster than 4.7 I think.
I also believe his 3 championships, and his recovery from the tumor year off point towards him being no slouch as far as work ethic.
All that said, who knows....
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This is one place free agency being after the draft could hurt. We could've signed a borderline starter, vet backup who thinks he can compete and do as we please in the draft. If we draft a guy at 3 I imagine it'll be tough to get a quality vet but you never know
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I'd assume a vet and a rookie will be 2 and 3.
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I sure hope that Troup plays like a first or second round player this year. I live in Orlando and he played here at UCF and impressed. Needs to pick up his game. If he had Dareus, Bowers or Fairly next playing next to him would help.
he didnt say 1st or second round, he said top 1-2 guys at the position if he was coming out this year.
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What would disappoint me the most IS NOT PICKING PETERSON with the 3rd pick. The kid is very special. Stud on tape a stud at the combine. We could use a very special player like this to help carry us in the future. A player people talk about. In the most positive of ways. I agree with an earlier poster who said that Von Miller is not as good as Arthur Moats. Or the same player. Do not take a question mark at #3 take a sure thing.
what position does he play as a pro, corner or safety?
also, i think its short sighted to say cam sits but miller wouldnt. if merriman is healthy, id assume its his job to lose as far as getting after the passer. moats also showed some talent rushing, but issues against the run, much like miller. miller could be on the bench day one. though i think miller is better than moats, day 1 it might not be true.
if chan and nix will bet their careers on cam newton, i will have some faith in that pick. theres no one else that will define those two men, and because of that, i think taking a leap on newton speaks volumes to what 2 guys who have a very positive history with qbs think. i dont pretend to know what cam will be at the next level, but he is clearly the first player that will need to be ruled out.
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They'll make it retroactive if need be. Regardless, it's unimportant if he's found guilty. Florida has very strict laws regarding gunplay, and he'll end up in jail.
realized it was a february incident, so no matter.
if there is no policy in place today though, you absolutely 100% can not do it retroactively. im going to guess players are trading something like continued health insurance for the conduct policy to remain during these extensions. still curious though.
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I'd question if the victim knows an NFL player is a big pay day on this one- could be.
Also depending on the CBA extensions terms, he may not be subject to suspension from the NFL even if convicted. No CBA, no player conduct standards.
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Thomas was going up against guys like Walter Jones, Willie Roaf, and Jonathan Ogden, who were not small All of them were at least 6'5" and weighed at least 320 pounds.
They all played when Thomas was in the league. How exactly were they smaller and less physical? Roaf was recently nominated for the Hall of Fame in the same class that Derrick Thomas was in, and Ogden and Jones are shoe ins for the Hall of Fame.
I think you're trying to make excuses for Miller, which just are unfounded. He is bigger than what Clay Matthews Jr was at this time during which he was being drafted.
Does the fact that 2 of those 3 guys entered the league ten years after Thomas and only overlapped his career by like 2 years say anything to you about proving the other guys point? In general, the average tackle is bigger, faster, stronger. The smaller guys today would be in the bigger half two decades ago.
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true. But Green is the best player in the draft IMO and the biggest can't miss. I stated we needed an impact player from the third pick. Someone that makes an impact week one. Green is that player
I hate to disagree but I'd rather have the best career as opposed to the biggest week one.
I also can't believe anyone is arguing that Peterson is low on question marks- when it's not sure if he can even play corner at this level and he may be a safety. That's a pretty big question mark. The top of this draft is riddled with huge question marks. There are far fewer gimmes than normal. Of course the year we are top 5 there's little top 5 talent but about 15 guys that'd fall 5-10 any given year....
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So a 5.05 when Rivers was a young man at the combine, before an ACLs and two MCLs (and still played in the Championship game unlike a certain crybaby). So I'm thinking the 10.8 might not be too far off today.
Roughly.
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The ability to launch the ball a mile in the wind and snow does not a quarterback make.
Not being able to throw in the wind a good qb in buffalo will break.
The NFL is faster than it was when Kelly and Marino played. This is unacceptable mobility
Mobility is a perk nor a requirement. You need to be able to know when and where to take about 3-5 steps in the pocket. That doesn't take 4.5 speed. It's nice if your qb can create with his legs but quite frankly how many times in the past year did manning or Brady run more then about 5-10 yards after they hit there last step on a drop? Granted it really helps Rogers and big ben, vick etc... But it's not required. There just aren't a lot of qbs with mallets skill set in college right now- college coaches are getting guys that make one read and then create with legs more than they used to
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Getting an early second rounder plus maybe a mid rounder for moving down just 6 spots is an awesome package. We can still get an impact player at pick 9 and getting say an extra 2nd and 4th or 5th rounder can help the Bills in moving up or filling extra needs.
Especially if there's a rookie cap, that's an awful deal.
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I'm okay with trading down given the teams huge list of needs but there is less of a chance of getting an everydown impact player.
I'm not advocating a trade down just saying it would be irresponsible not to work on atleast 10 or so guys at 3. Plus guys in the mid-late first in case someone slides or we trade up. Just cause we have 3 and 34 doesn't meant we only talk to the top 3 and 30-35 on our board
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If she's average at the college you went, you went to the best college in the world!
I didnt say average but instead average good looking college girl. Walk into any sorority on your closest campus and you would easily see others as pretty or even better looking. She's clearly attractive but she's not jaw dropping. I could go to the bar around the corner from my house and she certainly wouldn't be the most attractive girl in the room. All that said- I wouldn't complain for a second if I had the chance.
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Which should be a short list of Bowers, Dareus, and Fairley period. Others including Newton need not apply. Don't screw this up Buddy.
As it turns out he should do work with about the top 10-15. Imagine if they trade back 5-6 slots
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this is the easiest question ever
if peterson falls to three - TAKE HIM
- IF you can get an elite cover corner its like putting an extra linebacker on the field because you can allow one of the safeties to forget about helping in coverage
- the bills have depth but no clear #1 at cb. mcgee may never return to full health. florence isnt really starting material. mckelvin looks like hes too dumb to ever be a top corner.
- every dlineman at the top of the draft has question marks. they may turn out to be fine but theres a lot less risk with peterson
- dline is very deep this draft. bills should be able to still get a good one in the second or third round
if peterson is availabe when they pick they should run so fast to take him it will make how fast they ran to pick spiller look like they were casually moseying along
You might argue that our linebackers and corners are oft injured because we have no one up front to protect them.
Also- I will reiterate, I think he's got the rating because there's no one at the top that scores tds but him and green. He's flashy, and there's no qbs, rbs, only one WR.... If you pull out his kick returns he was merely a good corner that likely has to move to safety. That's a mid first ala Jenkins from Ohio state.
Hows this for a question mark- does he play corner or does he have to move to safety?
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Mallett is an absolute no-brainer pick in the 2nd round. He is by far the best pure passer in this QB class. If he turns out to be coachable, he has the potential to be the best player to come out of this draft. He would have great mentors in Gailey, Cortez, and Fitzy. IMO...it would be well worth the risk.
I thought Mallett performed rather well at the combine. What did you see from him that might have hurt his stock?
I'd assume he's referring to the cloud over him from the start with the opening interviews. That said, I think mallet is way better then people give credit.Arkansas wasn't very talented. That Arkansas team shouldn't have been in the Alabama game if not for him so the couple of late throws don't kill me. The sugarbowl would've been a blowout if his receivers caught anything all. It's funny how people say no because we have fitz and mallet chokes- but if I recall, fitz had some pretty poor finishes too. I think as a 2-3 rounder, mallet will be the best in years to come out of that range. Not saying a lot, but he has pro written all over him in the right situation.
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1) Peterson adds a potential shut down corner that we've never had since Odomes.
2) Since when is a 34 DT or DE known for being a pass rusher?
3) Is he really a future all pro?
4) Merriman has been playing like an all pro recently? Or did you travel back in time with your Delorean?
5) Fitz is under contract for one more year. You really going to put the franchise in his hands?
I agree with all - but don't want peterson. He's talented but I dont think he's in the top 5 talk without his huge returns early this last year. As a pure cb, he's not a guy deserving of the highest draft slot for a cb ever. A big part of his value will be his return game but we don't need that skill. Without those big run backs that he got in the first few games I think he's a mid first rounder.
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This isn't unique, FA Heath Evans is doing the same in new orleans, and I'm guessing many around the league are doing the same. It's easy good will for a guy seeking a pay day.