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Haha, I was just about to post the same exact link..... BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE
I love that cover. Also, props to dr z for his super predictions. i cant remember the last time anyone got those right. perhaps this year if green bay wins. i know they were a hot pick, and both afc teams are common picks.
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Revis, Woodson, Polamolu .... 3 of the 4 remaining teams have a future HoF'er in the secondary
they also all have 1st rounders at qb, great linebackers, and i would bet that 3 out of 4 have really good receivers, running games, tight ends, etc....
the difference between us and them - we have a couple of strengths, they have a couple of weaknesses. i think you just have to target the rarest talent, that you are most certain will translate in the top 5.
the talent level of the safety to justify that pick has to be once in a generation, as the fall off between great and good isnt that huge because as someone said, its just a more common body type. a lot more guys are 5-11, 210 lbs and run a 4.5 but very few are 6-3 300+ lbs and run near that range.
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i havent seen the simpsons in awhile, but theres a mr burns quality to both his appearance, and personality. just throwing it out there.
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If you redid the 2002 draft, which five players would you take over Reed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NFL_Draft
Peppers, McKinnie, Freeney?
In hindsight it's easy to play that game - back up qbs from Michigan are worth top 5 picks too?
It's about value and if the league values the top safety in the draft at 20, you don't have to take him til 19.... Even if you think hes Ed reed. The draft is an art - skill meets potential meets value. Taking a safety top 5 would be akin to taking Arian foster with a top 5 pick in your fantasy draft last year - in hindsight he didn't flop but you couldve taken him much later and had it be much more valuable.
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I have no experience with that program, but I'm currently doing a Masters program at Boston University. It's hectic (they take a 14 week semester and cover it all in 7 weeks....), but I'm actually learning more than I thought I would in the online setting. We have multiple lectures every week (recorded, in case you can't attend live), TAs are always available, as is the professor. I'm on my 4th class and aside from one where the professor was a jerk (smart, but a jerk), it's been fantastic.
Hope that helps a little, even if it's not in your field.
definitely any feedback helps, ive done distance learning before, but not strictly online, so it is one of my concerns.
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Just curious to learn if anyone has experience with their programs - eCornell is the online branch of the Cornell institution. I was researching some programs - especially hospitality based - to try and round out my resume. I currently have experience that out paces my job titles, so I would like to try and legitimize that knowledge base when I sit in interviews and have something to back it up.
I was curious if anyone had feedback with them in particular, or just in general with online programs. Also, if there is any feedback on the fact that instead of being masters credit, it would be certificates and credentials. May employer MIGHT be willing to subsidize the costs.
For reference, I have completed an undergrad program in general management and marketing, and currently work in hospitality (2 years experience)and am looking to break through into an upper level management position instead of entry.
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I was curious what peoe think is the bread and butter for our scouting staff. I know nix is a new gm and we also have a lot of trouble sorting modrak vs. Dick vs Ralph.... What positions do you think we really excell at? Even what type of play (ie man vs zone corner as an example).
Thinking going into the draft if there's positions we excell at and others we flop with.... Maybe we should stick to what were good at.
Come to think of it we could even discuss where the picks are coming from regionally in order to figure out if our scout in the Pac northwest has really lacked but we've had a great success rate in the Midwest.
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That's more than fair in looking at the value chart and I'd welcome it too. That said I can't see Jones making that trade. As the Arkansas link makes sense but I can't him looking to part ways with Romo specifically because the big contract he gave him a few years locks him in with Dallas until 2013.
Only problem - can't trade players or 2012 picks until after the CBA is signed. NE and the people picking in the top 6 or so are the only ones that can trade up without trading EVERY pick in this draft to match value. Even with that Dallas is about as deep as we can go.
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Yes, Gaither is a bum, there are plenty FA we can bring in; top level:
1. Tyson Clabo ATL
2. Doug Free DAL
mid range but still good.
Ryan O'Callaghan (KC)
Ryan Cook (MIN)
Zach Strief (NO)
Jeremy Trueblood (TB)
How do you mention streif, essentially a blocking TE for the saints who has 0 starts at RT and only one at LT in the last two years, but not bushrod there starting LT
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the dilemma with qb is we need a franchise qb or no one at all, a serviceable one is a total waste - and yes we need that franchise qb to be priority 1 moving forward. trouble is, do you believe any are franchise qbs or not. if you do, is it someone you take at 3 or is it 34. for the case of a program like yours, its hard to input the right data. other positions we need a body where even ok is better then what we have. its hard to compare qb to any other position in the draft.
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IF they do wipe out the season & play no football games, then will we draft 3rd again - 2 Aprils in a row???
Could be, other leagues have done lotteries, snake drafts etc....
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I agree.I do however also think that situations like this, time to sign draft choices, etc, will create a situation where the owners may be more willing to wipe out the entire season rather than having to rush things through if something is signed after August 1st. At that point the owners may figure, not worth trying to salvage the season, the longer we hold out now, the better deal the owners get as the players will more likely cave once the checks stop soming in.
I think that there is at minimum a one month period needed for free agents, camps, and letting new coaches meet there teams. I also think you need atleast 10 games to play a season. That would essentially mean 6 division games and 4 against another division. Pair divisions based on natural rivalries to help bring fans back - example afce and afcc.
I think if it goes beyond that, you scrap the season.
I have to imagine the league has a couple plans -
Signed by June 1 business as usual, July 1 accelerate camps, add some 2 a days maybe, august sometime reduce the length of the season, sept 1 scrap the season
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I also like the hidden value in having 33-34 in the draft. Players will fall, teams will want to move for them. We would be the gatekeepers, or could take two mid first round talents the slid.
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Has Jurassic park not hit screens in Poland yet?
Bad idea dude. Bad idea.
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If the CBA does not get done until training camp, does that mean the Bills would have the rights to Whitner, Florence, Poz and the other free agents, because the free agency period never happened? If so would their contracts be based off of this last years contract or what?
Should that happen I imagine a clause that everyone will become a UFA the day that it is signed. The only other possibility would be an RFA type of situation, which I doubt the union considers.
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As I said in my first post in this thread, I think this loss is overrated - as PFT points out, this was a rebuilding year for the pats and they still went 15-3.
I think in our last 3 years rebuilding we've won 15 games. Hell, we lost 3 in September.
I'll link the article below but essentially talks about the early major injuries, and huge number of rookies playing. I'm not chalking this one up to Tom being done or belichek being arrogant. Unfortunately this team has another 5-6 years in their run, and more if they find a qb of TE future towards the end of that.
And for all those saying Brady played like a 6th rounder? Sorry but what does that make fitz then? If he put up that game against a jets D in the playoffs he would be our savior. They lost by 7 points.
This thread just screams desperation. Are we really making fun of them for not winning the superbowl in 5 years when we haven't even been to the postseason in 10? Or beat them over those 5?
It just makes me sad to be a bills fan when all we've got left is to laugh at the cool kids while we sit in the corner by ourselves.
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Yes, he is a FA.
Harbaugh recently stated he would like to have him back.
For a little insight, go check out the Ravens message boards. I's say it's 80-20 they would LOVE to have him back. They are very down on Oher at LT and would love to see him moved back to the right side w/ Gaither back on the left. Some concerns about attitude, but the biggest concern seems to be centered on his injured back.
He didn't do himself any favors by missing the entire season, so IMO the price for him would be lowered considerably. Incentive laden contract w/ playing time as a major stipulation?
This is exactly the type of player I am talking about in my thread about being opportunistic IF you evaluate him as healthy, and the numbers are a little lower then a player of his caliber would normally be.
Say if his normal play is ten mill, and his perceived value around the league is 5.... Target him a little higher say 6-7 and incentives to 11 if he plays out of this world.
Note: these are not the numbers im saying he deserves but how I think we should target these players. Much like we tied up merriman. Give a little more then the current diminished value with incentives to a little more then an average probowler gets should he make the probowl. Pick 3 young guys you believe will exceed expectations and wrap them up early with little risk. If 2 actually make it then we have our probowl OLB and probowl LT for years to come.
We don't need the karlos dansby type signing at this point in our rebuild.
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Imagine finishing the season 15-3 and being told you were arrogant for following your model. One that has had you in superbowl contention for a decade.
They lost a game, and people talk like they aren't the team everybody is gunning for anymore. Everyone gives the patriots there best shots every week and they consistently win. I think people are overstepping the significance of one game.
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We had a chance at drafting Ngata and he even thought he was going to be drafted by the Bills but what ever brain child that was in charge of the pick that year should have lost there job over that one !!!
Can you imagine with just a few different picks what this team would have should have could have been ????
Orapko - Ngata - Matthews ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Weren't orakpo and Matthews the same year?
we drafted CJ ah You a few yrs back, he cut cut in camp if memory serves me correctly
I believe he is on the rams line now- and contributing.
Didn't his father have a connection in buffalo??
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Man, you're easy to get along with - the Anti-Mikey, you like Everything!
If the Bills have a multiple front defense, my neighbor's kid has a pony. Bills wish to build a multiple front defense. If wishes were horses....
If they don't intend for us to miss the playoffs for another 11 years, they better bring in some big mofo D guys who can play it and mentor the rooks.
That's the thing - it's a process. It's about not reaching for need. It's about picking high talent that slides regardless of if it's your biggest need, or if it fits your scheme. Make your scheme take advantage of the surprises that fall to you. Maybin didn't fall to us. Whitner didnt fall to us. We took need based on scheme too early. Don't take a Von miller at 3 just cause we need LB help if Peterson and green are there. That's a concept we have missed terribly recently. When was the last time we brought in a merriman, or took the number one player on the draft board? It seems we are starting to take advantage of the opportunities that fall in our laps. It's not a promise of success but if you hold the plan long term you will more often be in the playoffs then not.
Edwards in the third was a great opportunity. If we could re-do his tenure with better talent around him, better coaching, a real strategy of how to take advantage of the talent we happened upon, I don't doubt he would have been a high value 3rd round pick. Instead we hamstrung ourselves with schemes that didn't seem to work, players that werent as good as where what we could have had - generally a lower talent pool to work with.
Good playoff teams have the best roster not the best D, the best o line following some formula. They have a franchise QB and the best possible players available coupled with the best coaches they can find.
I hate how this team was run by marv and dick because it just led to second rate players being coached into second tier schemes run by second tier coaches. Thus far it seems this won't be chans and buddy's MO, whether or not they hit success fast will be some luck but I believe we are on the right path. Might they end up with tim couch? Yes, but I hope they won't follow him to the grave, and will continue to search for their next qb. Seems like what nix subscribes to with the SD qb situation he was a part of.
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I agree , but only if the team's deficiencies are addressed in FA to the best of ability.
I agree as you get closer to the end of the process. Once you get to the cusp of the playoffs you pull the trigger on players to jump you into superbowl contention. Last year none of the big names wouldve done anything to help us long term. Unless of course you see a chance at a great value or superbowl qb. See drew brees for the saints. You must find that player asap. Otherwise, unless a player is maybe coming off injury or you think league perception is lower then his actual ability (merriman?) then you bring them in. A 50 mill contract in year one of the rebuild will only sabotage you in the long run.
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All this talk of franchise qb vs defense vs trenches vs TE vs....
The one thing every great franchise is, is opportunistic. You lay a conservative, consistent plan to build through the draft, put in place some schemes (with a little flexibility) and you build according to that plan. When a player falls to you, when a coach becomes available, when someone hits the trade market at a high value, you pull the trigger. Even if ala haloti ngata, they dont fit the system. You build a culture of it in the building and on the field.
That is the one thing every playoff team has in common.
I like that the bills took spiller, possibly the best player in the draft, I like that they have a multiple front defense, I like that they are talking to wannstache - I'm hoping that as we get further along the plan we see them pull the trigger on a trade or FA or two - but right now its so early in the process.
As the talent level comes up I expect to see the D learn how to make the most of there opportunities and get turnovers, to see the offense grind out drives until someone guesses wrong on coverage and consistently get in the endzone instead of dropping balls, break a missed tackle and hit the endzone.
I think as our front office becomes more opportunistic, the play on the field will, and the wins will come. I hope whether it's aj green, Patrick Peterson, fairley, or whoever the bpa is, the bills take him at every pick.
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We really need a legit TE. I'm so disappointed in Nelson's development (some is health related I guess). But this is a bad year for college TEs, especially if Kevin Rudolf doesn't come out. DJ Williams of arkansas is a decent prospect too.
Here's a thought I had. The Saints love Jimmy Graham. I bet they'd trade Shockey for a low round pick. Shockey has his short comings (injuries mainly) but would be the first threat we have had in about a decade.
Not impossible but I doubt that shockey leaves. I think he takes a paycut and falls into his new role as mentor, and reliable backup. He loves the city, team, and Jimmy Graham
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Not in the first round (I would like to go defense with that pick) but if the there is still a top 2 college TE going into the 2nd round I would consider going after him. Watching the majority of teams in playoffs shows how important a TE is on offense and creating mismatches. We have been lacking one for almost a decade - maybe even more.
I can tell you the argument against: every one of those teams have qbs, which might be a big part of the TE success. Also, the teams as a whole are much more talented. We should go bpa to help create the best mismatches we can, regardless of where it is on the field - offense, defense, trenches or skill position. We just need mismatches that favor us.
Are safeties worth a top-5 draft pick?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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also agree with these points, and would like to add that a great dline makes linebackers, corners and safeties better. a great safety can do the same but its a lot harder to clean up mistakes from guys ahead of you on the field then it is to just dominate at the point of attack.