NoSaint
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Consider the past, or you're doomed to repeat it.
I suppose, mike, I must ask- how does me knowing the past do anything for buddy nix not repeating marv levys mistakes?
Or do you mean I just shouldn't be surprised on draft day, as I used to often be?
Don't do the crime unless you can do the time.
The Bills can stop hindsight opinions by starting to make good personnel decisions.
And you can root for another team if you want to stop hearing them.
Oz- who has done the crime? Not I, or your other fellow posters.... Which begs the question, why punish us with repetitive posts criticizing the front office. Unless of course, if the crime you are talking about is being born into bills fanhood.
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She performed it decently, minus the lyric gaffe. I don't feel that she was embellishing for her own self aggrandizement, and believe that had the lyrics been correct, it would have gone down as a solid to strong performance.
People were looking for another Whitney moment, and it came up short. Aguilera is a top-notch singer though, anyone who can't recognize her talent (putting aside how you feel about her style/look/etc.), doesn't know music much.
I didn't even catch the lyrics cause I was busy being upset about the performance.... I think my favorite touch was when she finished lines and then after a noticeable pause she would go back to the last word for another go around. Sometimes it wasn't even the end of lines.....
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While he may be just one of those "exception to the rule" players, I think I saw somewhere that Dan Marino got a 15 or 16 on the Wonderlic. That's on par with Leodis McKelvin's score! Apparently, you don't need to be a super genius to be a successful NFL quarterback.
Mid 20s really isn't super genius.
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Not old fashioned at all, that was worse than messing up the words. She was downright terrible.
The absolute worst part - correct me if I'm wrong but....
Didnt she butcher it at the NBA all star game or similar event just a couple years ago?
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While I like it- I'd like to add 25- as in a top 25 season. It helps make sure that you were playing the big boys or atleast handling your business where you should. I'd be curious the accuracy of predicting success if that was added.
To those pulling out names on either side -- if this predicts at a 75% success rate, and the next best index is at like 60% I'd call it a wild success. It's silly to think 3 stats could account for a career... Injuries, coaching, talent surrounding, and a little bit of luck are all important. I think it's amazing how well these 3 stats actually do. That can't be argued.
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That's exactly what I'm saying. If Luck was in the draft and available there isn't any question, so yes, my comments are within the context of the current draft/FA realities.
Notice how your list is made up of guys who all started as rookies (other than Rodgers who had a HOFer in front of him). Far too many people here seem to think any one-year wonder in college = franchise saving NFL QB, and then say they'd be happy if he sat on the bench for two years!
And I'm also saying that finding a QB without fixing the rest of the team won't bring much success, so fix what is most readible fixable now based on available talent.
Agreed - I think any team needs to focus on the talent available. Were that a big LT and a can't miss RT at 1 and 2, I'd be about it. Am efficient and running offense would help the d. This year it seems DL is the pick at 3, which happens to match our need to stop the run and free up LBs. It looks like RT, LB, DT and MAYBE qb will be good value in 2-3. Find value, pull the trigger, scheme around it.
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While I agree that the Bills need what folks generally refer to as a " Franchise QB " , I would submit that a ' franchise QB ' is one that puts up awesome stats and wins games, and that ' franchise QB ' can be found in the late rounds of the draft, or bagging groceries at a Hy-Vee store, or may even already exist on the Bills roster.
Since we're more than just a ' franchise QB ' away from the Superbowl, we don't know Fitz's full potential yet, and there is no obvious ' can't-miss ' franchise QB available in this draft, I'd stick to shoring-up our biggest weakness - get that nasty, fire-snorting, defensive front seven in place. Our offense has shown they can put points on the board - let's get a D that can keep the opposing offense off the field. JMO.
The funny part is after watching that, people still think fitz is good enough. Look at what Rodgers did without his #1 receiver, #1 TE, #1 rb.... His accuracy was amazing and is a huge part of why he wins that game and we don't.
That said we need to assemble D talent and if our qb doesn't exist at 3, then he doesn't but that game was won by a qb playing a great game against a great defense no matter how many weapons were gone.
Whether you run, pass, wco, run n shoot, bend but don't break, cause turnovers or are a steel curtain can be dictated by the talent that falls to you. Take advantage of the opportunities that come to you in the draft and FA. The one constant, is a qb.
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What's crazy is people believe that.
He went back to school because the actual draft advisory board told him he was a 3rd round pick.
No matter what sports entertainers say.
Then proceeded to have a bad year because he is a bad QB.
Why does "the supporting" cast all suck, but Locker get an exception?
thats how i feel = it seems his highwater point was the 3rd, and hes fallen from there. just because mcshay liked him doesnt mean the nfl did.
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The Bills are light years from the Packers, Steelers, Jets, Ravens, etc., etc. because the Bills can't rush the passer and can't stop the run.
Until that is fixed, it doesn't matter if Otto Graham is the QB.
Nor do we have good running, or passing games. Need talent everywhere. When you line up our roster side by side with any of those teams, there's only a small handful of places that the bills player would start. On that packers team they would take Jackson, probably spiller.... Wood? Lee as a 2? Dont think I see any other guys that would start on that team.
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Im saying IMO, we don't need one. But for all the people on this board who say we NEED one, with that pick it would be a reach.
So what if the front office takes one? Would that mean we might need it, or that it was bpa in there opinion? Just curious, seeing as the board doesn't make the pick.
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I'll say it again. The Bills drafted DL with 2 of their first 3 picks last year. Not to mention they added Dwan Edwards through free agency.
I think people are wrongly analyzing where the problem is with the Bills defense. The purpose of a DL in a 3-4 is to eat up blockers so that the LB's can make the tackles. And therein lies the problem. The Bills don't have any ELITE level LB's. WIth the #3 pick in the draft you don't take a LB.
If the Bills draft a DL it will end up being a reach for need, which when picking 3rd isn't something a team should be doing.
I'm confused- we don't need one but if we take one, it's a reach for need?
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I lean dareus but won't cry over green.
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Solution: Don't draft AJ Green.
With the exception of Keyshawn Johnson and Plaxico Burress, no super bowl winning team in the past ten years has had a WR drafted in the top 10, let alone the top 5.
As for Keyshawn Johnson and the Super Bowl winning Bucs from the 2002 season, the Bucs didn't draft Keyshawn, he was drafted 1st overall by the Jets in 1996.
As for Plaxico Burress and the Super Bowl winning Giants from the 2007 season, the Giants didn't draft Plaxico, he was drafted 8th overall by the Steelers in 2000.
Going even further, if you take the time to look at the WR's on these super bowl winning teams, the vast majority of them weren't even drafted in the 1st round-most were drafted early second round (I didn't keep track, but you can go look for yourself). Also, a large portion were also drafted after the 5th rounds.
This agains applies to this year's teams in the Super Bowl, so despite the winner, it'll be another season where a champion does not have a top 10 WR.
So again, solution = don't draft AJ Green.
Those drafted in round one that won with their original team were drafted by playoff or near playoff teams in the second half of the round. The biggest exception in the last 20 years was torry holt- note he was the 6th pick but on a team that hit on Orlando pace, Leonard little and got lucky with Warner.
It seems to reenforce how dependent a good WR is, as they are always the final piece taken, not the first.
Green could be good, even our missing link but I think much like LB, or interior OL there is good value in the late first/early second most years- it's not a premium top 3 position for me. That said I don't know I want the third DLineman off the board at 3.
It's a tough spot.
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2 of the 4 listed (Rice and Holmes) went to the defending SB champion the year they were drafted. San Fransisco had won 2 SB's in the 80's before Rice was drafted in 85. The Steelers won a SB in Swann's rookie year, when he accumulated 200 yards in receptions.
Would the 49er's have won a SB without Rice? Well yeah, they did. Twice.
Would the Steelers have won a SB without Holmes? Well yeah, they did.
That doesn't disparage any of those mentioned, and 2 of the 4 (Rice and Swann) are 2 of my all time favorites.
But to pretend that drafting them was the reason their teams went to the SB isn't factually correct.
Not to mention Keyshawn and plax did it with a different team then the one that drafted them. Frankly, it's a shockingly short list even with these guys included.
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Out of the draft? I don't think there's a "tebow" in this draft. I think it'll depend on how players and cities pair up. If buffalo or Cleveland gets cam? No. I think it'll be the first skill position player in a major football market - or the first "hometown" product (ala aj green going to Atlanta, as obvious as it is that isn't happening). Cam has potential depending where he lands. Probably wouldn't be loved in jax with his UF and SEC history.
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Jake Locker in the 3rd would be all right and in fact I think it would be a good decision to make, allowing him a few years to develop while Fitz took the Offense and made all the pieces better....did Rodgers some good and I think Locker has the talent, but needs to develop the mental aspect of the game. He's played in a Pro Style offense so he's got a good start but this team needs Defense first two rounds, if he's stil there in the 3rd I think we should pull the trigger...but hey, whatever, except for WR there's no place this team couldn't get better.
I didn't realize we were that good at WR- good to know....
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If we take someone like Bowers, Peterson or Miller in the 1st and Locker is there at our spot in the 2nd, then I would say take him. I'd be happy with it.
He can sit and learn for a year. With his mobility and Gailey's tutelage, he can be great, if he wants to be and is willing to put in the hard work.
It seems he's willing to work and has not been great at the college level, why will he be great as a pro?
I could see him falling hard - I think he will be lucky to have a team going to bed on Friday night.
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has less to do with the position and more to do with an impact player and the BPA. Im addressing the silly argument that highly drafted WRs dont win championships. Some more:
Keyshawn Johnson #1
Torry Holt #6
Plaxico Burress #8
Marvin Harrison #19
Reggie Wayne #30
Javon Walker #20 may join the list tomorrow.
I guess my argument is a good qb can take over a game, a good DE can take over a good, it's hard for a WR to do the same without a lot more help. My point that most were last half of round one, were not with there first team or were pre free agency was that they rarely were on teams that didn't already have a foundation, or one that had time to build that core.
I'm not saying green couldn't help, who knows - maybe an explosive WR is that magic we need to open everything up. I advocate bpa as well, and think he is a huge talent, I just don't know if WR can provide the same impact as a great DE could give us.
Like I said, wouldn't be mad, just saying a top 5 WR hasn't been the path to getting into the playoffs. Hitting on an QB, LT or DE seems to be a quicker jump.
Torry holt is really the only good example and they had pace, little, and lucked into Warner.
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Rice #16 overall, 3 rings
Holmes #25 overall, 1 ring and super bowl winning catch 2nd year in league
Irvin #11 overall, 3 rings
Swann #21 overall, 4 rings
There are others.
Seriously just go away, you're making a complete fool of yourself
Yea drafting a wr high is not certain failure but it's not the traditional path to success. Also, none of those are top 5-- good receivers on bad teams don't create a winning atmospheres often
Also most were pre-free agency. And Santonio was taken late in round one, to a playoff team, is already gone from said team, for a 5th rounder.
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At some point we need to stack talent, not replace talent.
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As a 30 year old? Not a 2. He is worth keeping. Green has done nothing as a pro. He could be next in a long line of can't miss busts too.
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If Green becomes the next Rice or Moss, and Dareus becomes what everyone thinks he'll become, a solid defense lineman...the Bills are the biggest losers. The NFL has become a passing league, having the best receiving core will do them much better than having an ok defensive line. Remember when two teams passed on Michael Jordan? This is the situation the Bills will be faced with if they pass on a player of Green's ability. They DO have seven more draft picks after the first round to address the defense.
Granted MJ was the best ever but hakeem Olajuwon wasn't a total flop. It's a little bit premature to anoint green as the greatest player in the history of the NFL. Especially at a position so dependent on a line, qb, running game etc...
If they think he's MJ pull the trigger but I wont cry about taking a richard Seymour-esque lineman like dareus. Versatile, and I think very high probability of him being a perennial probowler. A reliable big body ala Olajuwon.
I just don't want to end up with Sam Bowie.
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Too little information here for my liking.
"a 38-year-old man told investigators he was driving a Honda Civic in suburban Washington when he saw a pickup truck tailgating him. The man said the driver then made a hand gesture.Haynesworth, who was driving the truck, got out when the vehicles stopped and assaulted the other driver"Honda Civic driver, probably cut the pickup off or did something rude to either get things going or to keep it going.
Don't see many people getting "road rage" just by driving behind some Honda Civic. If that were the case Albert would have been in jail long ago.
That somehow gets al off the hook? Ive been cut off but never gotten out of my car ::shrug::
Ps - al has a knack for driving way to fast. Maybe the guy was going too slow and wouldn't let him by?
Who knows, pure speculation
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If you're in charge of selecting players this high in the draft and you're left with the decision to go for need player verses best player/superstar material, then yes you select the superstar player Green over much lesser talents in Dareus and Miller.
I'll say it again, they will rue the day they select one of those guys over Green. My hope is that someone does want to trade with the Bills and give them an extra second rounder.
Agree that need can lead to awful choices- but I can't say that it's nearly the gap you are implying. If it is that gap, why would he be there at 3 even?
"26-27-60 Rule" of QB's
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Jeeze - the GUIDELINE didn't turn out to be a rule. With stats you are trying to account for variability, and this guide seems to do it very well for 3 statistics. That's all the post was about. I'm sure you can name 5 failures that fit it just as easily. Doesn't make your post insightful.
Ps- minus Bradshaw, how many superbowls did they combine for? Might I add he is the only qb who's score wouldnt be a bust in a game of blackjack to EVER win the big one.