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Was just stirring the pot a bit taking a jab at the camp that believes we dodged a bullet because Peters got hurt and missed a few games for Philly. Illustrates the point that injuries do not a bad unmotivated player make.

Funny thing to note. Jason Peters has more starts than: Paul Posluzny Marcus Stroud Donte Whitner Terrance Mcgee Kyle Williams Derick Shouman Derick Fine Brad Butler Kawika Mitchell Bell Oh wait...I forgot....Peters is a lazy fat slob who has lost his desire to play and is injured all the time.......HRM....what does that say of some of our current Bills?

That's just silly. Please don't state hear say as fact which NOBODY can actually prove!!!!! I can state that I also heard he wanted to stay in Buffalo but wanted to be paid as an elite LT not as a RT which was his level of compensation before he was promoted. Players get hurt. Live with it. Just because he has has a bit of the injury bug doesn't mean he is no good. By those standards 50% of our team is sidelined by slightest of injuries but somehow you don't question their heart. Sounds like you are attempting to judge Peters by a different set of rules. Again don't let blind hatred of the mans business acumen cloud your vision.

It takes some vision beyond blind hatred for Peters to see those points you make. People who cut off their nose to spite their face rarely are able to see it so clearly.

AT TEN million he WAS better than good. It's called elite probowl level.

How much did he sign for?......Ya......thought so!

No doubt. Our STUD filled offensive line is the talk of the league and the pride of Buffalo!!!!! Funny thing about supposed potential, can't really tell what you are going to get until you get it. Future STUDS are Jake Long of the Dolphins, the guy that went to Cleveland 2, 3 years ago. Nick Mangold of the Jets. These guy came out of the gate and stepped up. At least one of them made a probowl their rookie year. WHAT WE HAVE....are two rookies that were forced into a starting roll and the biggest thing they have going for them is that neither of their names are Jason Peters. They play on a TERRIBLE offensive line. TERRIBLE!!!! The only people propping these guys up as guaranteed future STUDS are the Peters haters. Stop letting your bias cloud your vision!!! They may turn out to be good or great players. Right now we know NOTHING!!! Please tell me what it is on the field you see that tells you these guys are going to be studs? Don't bother telling me that Woods occasionally when he does make a good block continues to push the defender to the ground and man hugs him instead of picking up another defender to block after he has taken care of his primary blocking assignment.

So it's his fault that he improved and started to play at such a high, probowl, level so quickly? Perhaps he should have refused the coaching staffs promotion to LT and stayed happily at his RT position and pay grade and finished out his contract as you put it. Whatever. You bought into the front offices time tested rouse. We RARELY ever pay elite talent elite money. You might be too young to remember but look back at what Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith, Pat Williams, Antowaine Winfield and some other guys had to go through contract wise You'll start to see a pattern and Peters is just the latest victim.

Another point was Peters actually came in as a TE his first year. He switched from TE -> RT -> LT.

You do realize he changed positions twice right? TE -> RT -> LT. Usually when I get promoted I want a raise sometime within a year of taking on the additional responsibility. How about you?

Oh and yes I want Cower as our next coach but I don't think that Ralphie is going to change his spots at this point and stop thinking with his wallet. He might figure this is his last chance and actually break the piggy bank but the logical side of me doubts he will put up the cash for a Cower or Shannahan.

Something just occurred to me today as we have all become much more interested in what coaches are out there. In the interest of parity a salary cap was instituted to help level the playing field of talent across all teams. To an extent this has worked in that there is much more parity but savvy GMs and talent evaluators can still get something of an upper hand. Given that the talent level is considerably more even across the board in a way the REAL difference comes down to your scouts and GMs being able to get impact rookies at rookie salaries and coaching that can get the most out of your talent by way of player development and scheme. Scouts, GMs and coaches that are good at their job command BIG salaries. In this era of for the most part "player talent" parity why don't we address the issue of front office and coaching parity as it is often the true difference maker between a successful team, a consistently mediocre team and a bad team? I don't know if this concept has ever come up before but I wonder if their would be any support for including coaches and GMs salaries into the salary cap? It could give smaller market teams like Buffalo a chance to compete with the big boys. If you want to pay Belicheat or whoever big bucks to get the most out of your talent it should take away from how much money you have left to spend on that actual talent. The current system basically allows the wealthier franchises in large markets with good weather to get the best coaching and front office people. We need parity in the front office and coaching!

I agree with that. If we spent that money on a difference maker as I said. Instead.....nothing. Typical cheap move by the front office which is notorious for being cheap. This time with Peters they just engaged in a slimey smear campaign to get the public on the side of the cheap front office for once. I would love to have kept Peters and built upon that talent instead of tearing it all down as we did to end up with the worst line in Bills history which is something that conveniently none of the Peters haters talk about. I MEAN WORST LINE EVER!!!! Potential is one thing but as of this day I have seen nothing worse. Perhaps that supposed saved money will someday be used on another difference maker. Cap money doesn't add up like roll over minutes. You use it that year or you don't. Bonus money though comes directly from coffers of the crypt keeper and is amortized over the length of the contract. That is perhaps the only money that is really "saved" that could be used later as opposed to just being spent or not being spent year to year like cap money.

BLAH BLAH BLAH! I love it when people allege that their greatest reason for wanting to be without Peters are things you can't prove!!! How about we stick to things like....oh....performance....oh hey ...I got it.....accolades like probowls!!! Peters plays on a good line and Woods plays on a terrible one!!! Do you think Trent really cares how good Wood "COULD" be in 2 years. I stressed "COULD" because he is nothing stellar right now. I hope Wood never suffers an injury lest he be called a fat lazy slob who has lost his motivation. All things that can't be proved in the least.

We are sort of on the same page. I might be more inclined to buy the Peters fiasco if we chose to spend that money somewhere else of equal importance. As I have said in another post good teams like the Patriots make choices between which allstar or pro bowler to keep due to cap reasons and which one to trade for more picks. Bad teams just trade away or even worse let walk their all stars and probowlers even if they could easily fit them under the cap. In our situation our choice was Peters vs nobody!!! If we had some other probowl stud on the team that we kept or a HIGH priced difference making free agent we brought in with his salary then perhaps I could swallow it. Instead we just got a bunch of rookies that will hopefully continue to progress. ***PLEASE don't allege that TO is that "HIGH" priced difference maker. He came at a BARGAIN and no WR can make a difference if your o-line stinks out loud and your QB is terrible!

I don't agree but I think I get what you are saying. I would hardly breathe a sigh of relief that I dodged a bullet just after a tractor trailer fell on my head! Can you say out of the frying pan and into the fire? For your attempted point to be even remotely valid our LT position should be in a BETTER situation. If Peters sucked so badly and kittied out why is it that what we have their currently kitties out even more, in terms of missed games, and isn't 1/10th the player? Peters could play on an island. Our LT stand ins have been TERRIBLE and that's WITH help from backs and TEs. I seem to also recall that Peters was able to remember the snap count!!!!! Don't let your emotions for the man's business acumen cloud your vision of how much better he was than ANYTHING we have currently or might possibly acquire in the near future. Never forget, this is a business. Sometimes people you don't like on a personal level make great working or business partners.

If you mean we dodged a bullet by diving into a spike filled pit you are correct. I can't believe you are saying that our current situation is an upgrade over what we had.

It means we will need to spend a high pick to find a decent LT because we obviously don't have one that is even close. All of the experiments are over. All the Peters sucks, Bell, Chambers, Walker, "fill in the blank player" can do just as well.

Come on. You act like it has been tough trying to replace those overpaid under performing greedy fat slobs we used to have. For example LTs like Peters are a dime a dozen!!! ......Oh.....wait.....riiiiiight.

The best OC to save Trent's career would have to be Jesus!!! I heard he can raise things from the dead! Time to move on from Trent. We need a QB with the 3 B's. Big Arm! Brains! Balls! Trent has a poor arm, a point that some respectably argue. More importantly Trent has little confidence to use what arm he does have and has poor accuracy when he does decide to throw it over 10 yards in the air. I understand there are still some hangers on that don't think that they could have been so wrong about Trent and think that somehow it all has to be the coaching staff's fault. If you really think the coaching staff made Trent that way and instructed him to NOT take shots at WR when they were open down field no amount of logic from me is going to dispel that fantasy. If you truly believe the coaching staff, not Trent, is responsible for his lack of accuracy and haven't at least made every attempt to correct his problems there is no help for you. New regime, new QB! Let's not waste another year on the Trentative experiment.

Come on....it's the coaches fault!!!! The individual player is never responsible for their own performance.

Very true. But also consider they spent their picks on flashy skill position guys like a crap load of WR's, RB, a TE and a QB. If they spent those picks on the line on either side of the ball they would probably be a LOT better off. At least they did get a good LB in there somewhere. Are you listening Buffalo?!?!?!?!?!?

So your saying an NFL player got hurt? UNHEARD OF!!!! SHOCKING!!!!! Other than that I don't get your point at all. Let's get rid of every player who sprains an ankle, or breaks an arm every year, or gets a concussion, or cracks ribs and can't go? Great logic there.

No doubt. MY issue with it is that I would rather see the Bills do that at ANY other position not including DB. To me it is the final straw and a complete 100% admission that they screwed up handling Peters. It's just seems dumb as hell! If you don't want to invest elite money into a proven elite LT fine...but don't turn around a year later and pay elite LT money to a guy who has proven ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This is why we are constantly spinning our wheels and we can't improve our talent level and our record any given year.

If we pay an unproven rookie the kind of money that probowl peters wanted I will poop myself. It would be just like our front office to do something so idiotic. Why pay a budding young star who has made 2 probowls that kind of money? Let's give it to a rookie who has never played a game in the NFL. If we are lucky maybe we can get another "Mike Williams"!!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!