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Is this a joke too? Look Freddy had a better day. I'm happy about that. I said in the shoutbox yesterday there will be days where Freddy excels and others where CJ does. That said the bills ran the ball much better Sunday then the titans. That's all that was pointed out.

How is the defense cookie cutter?

Sadly I too had to quit Madden. One of my favorite games but it became readily apparent and obvious that they left minor flaws in games so that they could "fix" them for the next years game. I really thought hard about getting it this year but remembered how mad the game and its developers made me with pure laziness.

Eh... If posters are going to bash the Bills after 1 game I think it is fair to use stats/facts to shut them up

I had to give up my season tickets a few years ago bc the cost wasn't worth it. I was paying over $100 a game with travel, ticket, etc... Regardless of what PTR says IT WAS the sub par product that made it not worthwhile. Now I pick a game or 2 that I want to see and make the trip. This year the game I wanted to see most WAS Carolina. Their D looks ferocious and I want to see Cam and Keuchly live. I'm surprised that people didn't snap up the 2nd game of the year, especially since opening week was such a hot ticket. My thought is that many season ticket holders sold their tickets to this game as it is a tough trip back to back weeks for some people. When the secondary market is flooded the box office lags. So maybe PTR should be mad at his fellow season ticket holders

Was it tickets used because that is always lower than tickets sold? Maybe actual atteendance was 65k and tickets sold made it a sell out. The Red Sox used this method for years to keep their "sell out streak" alive.

I must've made your blocked list because I put his exact quotes in my post.... You know the quote where he says "At the end of the day, it's a drop,"

So where in there did he say it was a poorly thrown ball?

He did?!?!?!? "It looked like the play should have been made, but with my extending how I did, it was like my length just got my hands on the ball. I felt like it was harder than it was, what really happened," Johnson said. "Looking at the film, yeah, I was wide open. I beat the guy ... It was tougher than what it looked." Johnson was open in the left flat after beating his defender on third-and-1. With 8:50 remaining in the game, the Bills punted to the Patriots, although they were unable to turn Johnson's drop into any points. "At the end of the day, it's a drop," Johnson admitted. "The reaction is as expected. Everybody placing blame on me. It's OK. I felt like I put myself in that position," Johnson said Monday. "But that's not me putting on a front for anybody. Pretty much being who they've grown to love. I feel like there's no one who can guard me. Obviously it showed, but when you don't win a game, that's when you get that negative attention, and I deserve it." As for "leaving his teammates out to dry and to deal with the press" as people have put it in this thread... Johnson did not speak to reporters after Sunday's loss, departing the locker room shortly after the game's end. "Me being here for the amount of time that I've been here, it was just something personal against that team, I guess," he said. "It ended in the same way. That was my frustration. Nothing with anybody, nothing with any play. We know that you can't have a great game every week. Every play isn't going to be perfect. The game, it can go either way, and I felt like we've been to this point too many times. It is what it is and they came in and took one from us. We'll be ready for them next time." Added Johnson: "I take every [loss] personally. I hate to lose. We deal with losing in different ways. I have to be better about it. I don't think I'll ever grow accustomed to losing games." What does the coach think of Stevie? Well let him tell you.... Marrone said it will be important for Johnson to not dwell on Sunday's performance. "I know how much that weighs on him. My philosophy has always been, when you have a player that every single day comes out here and works and the player likes Stevie, and all the things that he's done, you have to come back to that player," Marrone said. "We have a lot of faith in him. There is not a player in this league that hasn't dropped a football. If you haven't, that means you haven't gotten a lot of balls thrown to you. "I have the utmost confidence in Stevie. He takes those things hard. What he has to do is, and he knows this, is you have to shake it off and come back and make a play. And he will."

My crusade? Lol My crusade is that yours is tired. We get it he is the devil incarnate. You were right he's a bozo. He sucks. Please teach me more master....

You gotta go a long way... Syracuse is part of the black out zone and I think you'd have to go to Utica!

I know! Marvin Harrison shot someone and still gets trotted out as an example of how to play the game the right way!

Lol the poll you started where it is listed as the #4 option glad you were able to keep it out of your top 3. I don't see him as a bozo. I see him as a player on the Bills that I like to root for. I don't care what gets said off the field. I don't care what shirt he wears. I care that he loves being a Bill and playing for Buffalo. I care that he gives it his all and doesn't dog it on the field. Please don't, in a thread where multiple posters point out how irrational you are towards him, lecture me to be objective. Every time I see a thread I like to count how many posts it makes it before you chime in. You're there without fail with something negative to say. You're so objective on so many other topics it seems Stevie takes the brunt of all your anger at the Bills... He is your red headed step child.

Lol what did you give me 5 minutes to respond? I'm not apologizing for him. That's a play he should make. However it wasn't the only play the Bills should have made and didn't. It wasn't "the play that cost them the game." You're right though every player should be perfect and never screw up/make a mistake. Unless you're anyone that isn't named Stevie, then your mistakes are forgiveable. It doesn't matter if you dropped a ball too and had multiple drive killing penalties - it's Stevie's fault! Doesn't matter if you fumbled - it's Stevie's fault!

Chandler has been pointed out. Turnovers have been pointed out. Penalties have been pointed out. The failure to get a stop on multiple third downs during the last drive. Yes though you are correct 1 drop with more than 5 minutes to go in the game was the end all be all game losing play. Get a grip.

You should just put it in your sig... Everything is Stevie's fault. He can do no good. I don't like him. I will take every chance I can to bash him. It doesn't matter what else happened in the game I will look for an instance that Stevie screwed up and place the entire fault on him. The regulars already know this but it would help the new people out. You are beyond rational when it comes to him...

Don't know about the tie but I loved what I heard/saw. As a fan I'll take the moral victory. The spread was 10 in this game and money went heavily on the Pats*. The Bills played them close and honestly I had zero expectations yesterday. I wanted to see 2 things; 1. EJ looked like he belonged and 2. the Bills and Marrone looked like they knew what they were doing. Both of those things happened. I loved that the players weren't happy with the moral victory. Mario who gets a lot of grief for appearing aloof last year was mad/disappointed and stated that they aren't looking for moral victories. It seems every player was asked about whether they were proud that they played New England close and they all (at least the ones I watched) said that they were there to win not play teams close. Loved Marrone in his presser, loved EJ in his presser, read a transcript of Mario and loved that too. This team believes in themselves and just might have found a qb/coach combo to win!

I think you just did articulate why right here. Regardless of what people think about teams being far superior coming of a bye not all teams chalk it up as a guaranteed win. Much like teams that get the first round bye, sometimes teams struggle to "get back into it." What better way to do that than against a team that routinely is bottom of the barrel. I think the point that was made earlier is a good one. The schedule isn't made to screw the Bills as much as it is made without them in mind at all. They are the plug in filler team. Some teams get hooked up *ahem* pats* and others they don't care at all about (the bills).

You do realize that the "new" d coordinator came from the jets who also play the cheats twice a year right?

So since we have a Bills thread and a Git 'er dun thread I figured why not have a thread for general discussion of players cut from around the league. Mods as always if this is inappropriate do what you need to do.... Jake Ballard.......... Hoodie's genius (again) didn't quite work out as planned Brian Banks... Man that girl owes him some serious money Everette Brown... One of our "potential draftees" the year we got Maybin. Another undersized bust failing on his second team.

The Pats* cut Jake Ballard.... so much for the genious of the hoodie scooping him up on the Giants. Brian Banks was cut.... That girl owes him some serious money!

Man I hope so. Seeing him on the field this preseason was giving me ptsd! He much like Dickerson/Brad Smith is a man without a position.

Expiring almost reads like that is the last chance. I thought all players went on for 24 hours then were cleared. I wasn't able to find any good links on it to delve further into it. I did see that PS players are designated Sept. 1 but wonder about players that are cut being added to the active roster. Can you post your likn and maybe I can find some better info please?

So I'm going to call this a genius move by the Bills. Cut players go on waivers for 24 hours so the Bills players will CLEAR waivers before most teams have made their cuts. This will allow the Bills to stock their ps with whomever they want from their own cuts. It also will allow them to know what they want and give then time to develop target positions and players. Basically while the rest of the league is figuring out who to get rid of the Bills will be figuring out who to pick up. I'm thinking this explains Butler and Kaufman (and maybe even darick) being released already.

Butler is listed on NFL.com as cut as is Zebrie Sanders.