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The Phins of the 1990's or the Pats of the 2000's
The Parcells coaching tree(not actually Parcells tho), Jimmy Johnson
Bryan Cox, Mike Vrabel, Shawne Merriman(I hope he gets electricuted by his lights out)
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Was he stroking his right cheek or playing with his left ear? His actions speak louder than his words.
All his interviews should be accompanied by subliminal subtitles. His thoughts can't possibly be that dull can they? I want to know what he's really thinking. Or maybe not.
Im not so sure that I want to know what hes thinking at this point. An improvement would be just to know that he IS thinking.
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That is all I am talking about. If Schoop is so bad that, according to one poster more people listen to him in spite of hating him, then why pay him when they could just hire someone for half his salary or maybe even less? ( I have no idea what local guys make) And why pay Bulldog if all he is is Schoop's lap dog?
My only two points throughout this thread has been
a) the whole premise of the thread was buillt on either inaccuracies or outright lies.
b) their ratings and add revenue justify their existence.
I dont think you could pay someone half of what these guys make and consider it pay for a full time job. I would be suprised if they made much over 40K a year, 50K would be a lot. Either way you swing it you couldnt find someone with a decent college education that could afford to live off of half that.
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Except for Schoop, Bulldog & Simon who is the big money talent they recruited for on air duty?
Id really like to know what they make. Oh wait, maybe I dont. I would prolly puke if I found out they make more than me to be idiots on the air.
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Once again not saying bret is not a great qb but there are about nine or eight qb's that I would take before him thats all. I don't want a guy who has never at any point in a game never come back from a 14 point hole ever in his career.
Is that true? I wouldnt have guessed that ever.
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We also have to remember that statistics only tell a small part of the story. Unfortunately, too many people these days use fantasy football as a gauge.
For example, Drew Bledsoe has more completions, more yards and a better completion percentage than Johnny Unitas and Otto Graham, but nobody in their right mind will list him as one of the all-time greats.
That is exactly why I say Elway, Young, Montana, Unitas, Graham, Manning are better than Favre. I think hes great. Defenately top 10 if not top 5, and can be in the same discussion as the greatest ever. I just dont think he is. But thats my opinion. I respect anyone else for theirs, I expect people to respect mine. I just get annoyed with people saying that one person is the best ever, end of subject, move on posts.
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Bolded = you have to be kidding there is no way the are/were better qb's
I'll give you that an argument could be made for elway and montana...farve kicked young's ass pretty much every time they went head to head except for that one playoff game when TO finally decided to catch the ball
I would have to say that is your opinion. Payton and Brady will probobly both break passing records and TD records that are held by #4. They will probobly do it without playing 20 years and throwing 300 ints too.
It really depends on opinion at this point. You say Favre, and others can say Montana, Young, Elway, Unitas, Graham. Quit thinking your opinion is the only one worth listening to. They are all greats and could all be considered to be #1.
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The most obviously dumb post of the past month deserves a simple and even more obvious response.
Owens is using this year as his "good behavior" year to earn a contract with a championship contender next year. Owens despite whatever he may say or do on the field this year has no long-term interest of being a member of the Bills. Sorry! That's a fact.
Owens is only interested in himself, his stats and in playing for a major media market that fawns all over him.
It is for this reason and many other obvious reasons Owens is only on a one year contract.
Owens can't be good long-term because his behavior won't allow it. He won't understand and respect Buffalo as a team because he has proven three (3) times in San Francisco, Philadelphia, and in Dallas that his only concerns are calling his quarterback gay in San Francisco, throwing his quarterback under the bus in Philadelphia, and popping pills and throwing a temper tantrum that his quarterback in Dallas doesn't throw him the ball enough when he drops too many passes any way.
Of course, Buffalo will be better this year on offense because of Owens unique skill-set and playmaking ability. But Owens is just a hired gun for a year while Buffalo finds out if Hardy or Johnson can become a #2 receiver. If they can, then great for Buffalo. If they can't, Owens will leave Buffalo and a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a receiver in the 2010 draft.
Owens will be nothing more than a talented receiver who is putting in time for free agency next year.
The only "Savior" role Owens will play is he will make Buffalo a relevant football team for the media circus. He will help sell extra tickets and a lot of jerseys because his is an exciting/controversial topic. (Think Alex Rodriguez, Dennis Rodman, Mike Tyson, etc.)
Otherwise, let's leave the Savior role to the actual Savior found in the New Testament.
Ralph Wilson will be happy and Buffalo fans will be treated to a more exciting team that will finish no better than 8-8 barring some major injury to a key player on one of Buffalo's AFC East opponents.
This is why Owens is and only will be on a one-year sabbatical with Buffalo.
Nothing else can be added or refuted to this conversation. Close the topic!
--Nightcrawler
So glad to see that your opinions are the only relevant ones on this topic. You are so wise! Maybe you should be working for an NFL team.
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I believe what they are referring to is some sort of rating system where stations are rated based on percentage of listeners in the area versus total population...I have seen the rankings and they are indeed number 1(at least were last time I looked). Not defending everything they do, but they are actually telling the truth on that one...what you are bringing up is some kind of award, which is not the same thing...
Thank you for the clarification. As I said I know that I have heard the advertisements that they are number 1. The award is the only thing that I could find while writing the post. Glad to see Im not going crazy.
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I don't think you've listened to Stern in a while. He spends most of his time now talking about his Blackberry. Very controversial. But Schopp isn't controversial he's just annoying and rude. They're getting 14 pges worth of posts because they're the only game in town. Yeah there's Brad Riter but I don't think too many people know about that yet. I think most people just thought there was Schopp and his dog. I didn't know before this thread. And yeah there's other options like Sirius but many people want local talk, not listening to 'Movin' the chains' for an hour hoping someone brings up the Bills for 30 seconds.
I never liked Stern but he is controversial, or at least was at one point. People liked that about him. He would do dumb, crazy things that might have gotten him removed from the air(it did at some point didnt it?), it was exciting.
You must have missed some of my posts on this topic. I believe Schopp is annoying and rude. He's not getting 14 pages of posts because hes the only game in town. Hes getting so many because he is controversial.
"Controversy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There is often controversy about a significantly different new idea, subject, group or person for a period of time, until honest direct examination of sufficient factual evidence results in widespread agreement on the truths of the matter"
That sounds like this board if you ask me.
BuffaloPowerEye
If you read my post right you would have noticed the ? at the end of that sentence. I didnt know. I believe I've heard multiple times in the past on the show that they are considered the 1 sports station in the nation. Now I havent ever looked into it to prove it before. And it looks like they were a runner up to Dallas in 2008 but they were a nominee. Shame on them for lying on the air for advertising they are the number 1 sports station in the nation. Better yet, shame on me for believing it.
http://www.nabradioshow.com/2008/events/marconiAwards.asp
2008 Sports Station of the Year
KESN-FM Dallas, TX
KGME-AM Phoenix, AZ
KXNO-AM Des Moines, IA
WEEI-AM Boston, MA
WGR-AM Buffalo, NY
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Statistically yes he is. I dont think i can remember a guy that played the game with the love and enthusiasm that Brett did, but sometimes you have to know when to quit to preserve your legacy. Think of Emmitt in a Cards uniform, or Johnny Unitas as a washed up Charger. Walk away with grace and dignity.
If throwing the most interceptions in NFL history is considered the stat that you go by then yes he is the best QB in history. He is great. Ill give it that. But stats dont mean everything. I would easily put Elway above Farve.
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That is my point. There aren't different Buffalo radio stations to listen to, so it isn't about switching around and finding your favorite, or hearing which is the most controversial and tuning into that one. There is only one. It is only on or it's not, and Schopp makes people turn it off. In this market, it would be more wise to NOT turn the people off, and more wise to be interested in the Bills (like Howard) so that the people that can tune in, do.
I just see things differently. Ive never been to Boston, or Philadelphia for any long period of time but I would like to think that Buffalo sports fans are just as crazed as the best sport towns in the US. I can say myself that I listened for years even though I cant stand them but they are the only place to hear it. Maybe its just me and I crave sports that much. I can tell you that close freinds of mine are the same way. We might hate or love WGR but we will always listen to it because they are at least relevant to the Bills and Sabres. Recently Brad Writer received his own show and that has been a life saver for me (and many others I think). But proof is out there that contoversy stirs things up for good or bad. Mike Schopp could come on the show every day and say how much he hates Buffalo and would prolly get more listeners than ever. Like I said, I havent listened to the show in months and even I tuned in to find out what his replies were to this board if hes even read it.
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Which one are you?
LOL. Im not either. Please dont insult me that way. SanJoseBills, DevilDog, MarkVaderr50 can vouch for me and to my knowledge they dont work for WGR either.
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Different situation. Stern and national radio is not comparable to a local station only heard in Buffalo. Stern acquired more listeners because he could, and they tuned in from everywhere because of the national scene. Schopp can only turn people away, not acquire them. It's not really the case that Schopp being a dick head makes people all over listen. This is Buffalo, there aren't people all over. All he's done is make people stop listening.
How do you figure? WGR is rated as the best sports talk radio show in the nation isnt it? Pretty sure that has been proven. And if you really want to make a point about it being local you went the wrong way. I can easily go the other way and say there isnt another sports radio station in town to listen to unless you have sirius or any other satallite radio programs out there. Stern is no different from Schopp. They are in the business of advertising. If you really think its about sports radio your wrong. Its all about them making money for their sponsors. Thats why Stern gets away with talking about absolutely nothing and having chicks in his studio to show their chests and take salami slices on their asses even though you cant see them.
Im not defending Mike Schopp or WGR. Im simply stating that talking about him and his show is giving him power. Ill admit even I have tuned in over the last few days just to see if he commented on this post at all.
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I've wondered over the years why more teams haven't tried the no huddle offense. It worked so well in Buffalo, and it seems like it should be able to work if ran effectively. My concern here, as posted, is not that the Bills plan or might be planning on using the no huddle. What bothers me is that if they are planning on it, It Shouldn't Have Been Made Public!!! The Patriots will now game plan for that. I'm all for seeing it, and, as I said, if done right it is a good scheme, but the Patriots are great at game planning. I'm guessing they'll have an answer for it, or at least be able to deal with it a lot better than if it were kept secret. And, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they use the no huddle against us in that first game. Bellichek has a kind of weird humor like that. Anyway, I like the idea, I just wish they would've kept it secret, so we could have taken the Pat's by surprise.
I agree somewhat. I was thinking the same thing myself to an extent. But to think that we could have lasted the entire summer of training camp, mini camp, and pre-season and not show our hand to anyone we are smoking rocks. This is the NFL, teams dont really do things like this and catch people off guard. And if they did pull it out for the first game and the first time I would be worried that we havent practiced enough. Id rather plan for it and practice it as much as possible for the first game.
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Which one are you - Schopp or Bulldog?
I can vouche for TOintheBLO. Hes not either of them.
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If you owned a restaurant and there were 13 pages of people complaining about your food would you think you were doing " pretty well".
People are frustrated.
They love food.
They want a new restaurant.
Different situation. This isnt wings and pizza, This is radio. Go ask Howard Stern how his show is doing after years and years of controversy. Better yet go watch the Howard Stern movie or read the book. The more controversial he became the more ppl watched.
With that said I havent read most of this post because it only gives WGR more power. And I hate them with a passion. Especially Mike Schoop.
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Thurman Thomas-Just got old
Travis Henry-couldn't keep it in his pants, and was on the pot
Willis McGahee-underachiever, and didn't want to be here
Sammy Morris-did nothing special to deserve to stay, had a few good games in New England
Marshawn beware-if we let him go, it will be his own doing....stay out of trouble numb nutts!
agreed with all your points. I think we could have kept Thurman just because of his history and leadership. Lets just hope ML can stay out of trouble(im not very optimistic he can). So if we goes I will most likely be glad to see him go because that will most likely mean he has gotten in trouble AGAIN.
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I can't believe this thread is still going...
Same
With that said I still hate Mike Schopp and wish he would leave sports radio in Buffalo.
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I cant remember where I heard this or read it. But I recall hearing that the Bills had a no huddle offense in place last pre-season and things were working well. The only problem was that with a new OC, and OLcoach they had to scrap it once Peters returned to the team. The word is that the offensive play calls and terminology was different on the line from previous years and Peters couldnt pick it up for us to use it last season. Flame away if you will, but im sure I heard or read this at some point just after the season ended.
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The only thing that really worries me is that Losman is picked up by some team and gets a chance to start and tears it up with another team with a solid roster and coaching staff. Something he apparently never had here. Wouldnt Buffalo look like a bunch of freaking idiots. Oh wait, we already do.
It would just make it worse then. I really liked Losman for us at one point. I hope he does well. Just not well enough for us to look dumb. -
Just to address the topic at hand:
Easily, they wanted a guy that doesn't take plays off and can rush the passer...that's Maybin. He's not my favorite either (you all know I wanted Larry English), but I'd have taken him before any of Orakpo, Brown, or Ayers. Also, it's kind of ignorrant to say Maybin will get abused by NFL linemen when a guy like Robert Mathis has been one of the most productive ends in the league at a svelt 237 lbs.
By the way, how, exactly, is the line is "sad, sad shape" after spending two high picks on guys that the team expects to start in 2009 and adding a starting center (who can't possibly be any worse) in free agency?
Sorry man, but this post doesn't make sense to me.
Nice point Bandit,
To assume that Maybin will be a bust is just as rediculous to say that Orakpo wont be. IMO the Bills took the player with the most upside(higher ceiling). We might have only seen a glimpse of what Maybin can/will be. Only time will tell. I think Maybin could be a beast tho.
Very good point about Schobel as well. Isnt he the 2nd leading sacker in Bills history behind Bruce? And one of the leading pash rushers in the league(current player) as far as sacks is concerned? Im too lazy to look up the stats at this point. Can anyone confirm?
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me too. No wonder we draft so many DB's every year! Lets sign our own. I have a feeling we let McGee walk after this year 
Do we really want McGee if hes going to want more money than Greer? Dont forget he will be 30 or 31 by the end of next season. Im all for signing players that can produce. But thats getting kinda old for a DB who relies on his speed so much. Who knows, maybe this year he shows he doesnt lose a step. At the same time maybe this year we show that Corner or Youboty can step up and challange for a starting role.
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Greer was the victim of circumstance. Unfortunately, he didnt step into his own until we already had Leodis. Last year was the first year Greer really proved he is a starter in this league, but it was too late. We already had a first round pick and a lot of money in Leodis who really started to show he is going to be a very good player in this league.
People keep talking like we intentionally let the DB's walk, but when a player wants more money than he warrants at the time, the FO (who knows the player a lot more than we do) has to decide is he worth overpaying. Why do you think the Titans let Haynesworth go...because his contract was absurd.
One player doesnt make a team great, and if you keep over paying for players you will lose 2 or 3 good players at other postions. The Pats and Steelers are perfect examples...they never over pay so they can keep a much more balanced team. And its no coincidence they keep winning SB's...same with Parcell teams...you dont see him throwing stupid money at players either...
I am very confident the FO will extend McGee and we will have a very good set of CB's for the next few years at least.
Im a fan of the origional post. IMO Youboty reminds me alot of Winfield. I think he is an absolute moster with the tackling aspect of his game. It remains to be seen about his ballhawk skills IMO. I wish him the best of luck with his health this year and believe that he can become as good as Greer or better if he can stay healthy.
Alpha,
I love the post about why we let Greer go, and how that translates on teams like the Pats, and Steelers. This is very true IMO. Which is also the reason why I was so for Peters being traded. Very nice post.
I dont feel confident that the FO will lock up McGee though. I was a supporter of sign Greer and put McGee on the trading block because I feel that McGee will most likely cost us more than Greer would have. Not to mention that he is 2 or 3 years older than Greer. I really think this is why all the corners have been drafted in the laters rounds in the past 2 years. Look for McKelvin and Corner/Youboty/Harris/Byrd/Lankster to be starting that spot w/in the next 2 years.
The Machine that is Brett Favre...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Farve didnt exactly have a bad receiving crew. I took the time to list most of the more well known receivers/receiving backs that Farve was privelaged to play with from 97-97 for you.
Ed West
Edgar Bennett
Sterling Sharpe
Robert Brooks
Dorsey Levens
Mark Chmura
Mark Ingram
Anthony Morgan
Don Beebe
Antonio Freeman
Keith Jackson
Desmond Howard
Andre Rison
William Henderon