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That might have alot to do as Tom Modrak can't seem to draft anyone of substance in the first 3 rounds and John Guy can't seem to find a free agent worth a darn.

I wish people would stop paying for mediocrity by attending Bills games. Living out of market here in DC, I have been a sucker by subscribing to Sunday Ticket for the past 10 years. If nothing changes in the front office and with the coaching staff, I will not be renewing.

I see 6-10. Did I just say that? I meant 4-12.

But you also can't dismiss the utter lack of concern over the state of the game. What is so funny? I certainly would not put Lynch in McGahee country, but does he have any concern about the outcome, or is he just there for a paycheck? Things may be a bit too loose on the sideline. Something perhaps a coach such as Gruden could come in and wipe off immediately.

He was laughing it up on the sidelines toward the end of the game. I personally don't understand what could be so funny or enjoyable as your team falls to 3-5. Well, that is if you cared.

In my opinion, NOTHING will actually happen. But if I could perhaps dream on this site for a moment... Jauron would be fired. April would be named interim head coach with stipulations that it is only until the end of the season. Modrak and Guy would also be shown the door. Nix would be promoted to head of college scouting. Low performing scouts would be fired. Replacements would be found. Brandon would be moved back to COO (shared with Overdorf), and Marketing Boss. He would be stripped of any title or ability to be involved with the actual day-to-day dealings of the football operation on the field. The courting process of finding a real GM and football man would begin in earnest. Any currently unemployed GM of success would be interviewed. Former Bucs GM Allen, Ron Wolf, Holmgren (if he is interested in leaving Seattle), Casserly, whomever. I personally like the ideas of the former Bucs GM. But someone would be hired ASAP to begin assessing the roster and implementing an actual STRATEGY to build the team back into contention. That strategy could also begin in planning who we would want as our next head coach. This would bring me back to the Bills, and get me excited again. I must confess that I don't know if NFL rules allow a team to begin courting a GM during a season. That is way I called it a 'dream'. In reality, with the exception of a few players nursing injury feeling better, the chances are that the Bills do nothing.

Darn it! That was before the beat down. Did the fans give him anything in the way of 'BOOOOS'?

Yeah, and it was nice to see Lynch in the last 5 minutes laughing on the bench while his defensive counterparts were getting the crapped pounded out of them yet again in a 31-10 wear down. Did anyone see the ESPN interview with the Packer greats over Favre's move to Minn? You could see and hear the passion in these legends calling Favre a "traitor", etc. Compare Lynch's laughing and casual attitude to the passion of those early stars, and it is clear that some teams are far from contention.

Baseball?!?!? Baseball is so boring and full of drug using cheats...oh, wait...the NFL is full of juicers too...but atleast its exciting!

On a separate note...did Ralph accept his Ring and honor and ceremony of being inducted to the Hall of Fame today?

who cares? It makes absolutely no difference in the future of the Bills, as they can't beat anyone of substance, anyways. FIRE MODRAK AND GUY!!

I agree. he has taken the team as far as he can. Though I would not stop with Jauron. Guy and Modrak should also be fired. Nix should be promoted, and the Bills should shift Brandon back to COO/ Marketing guru, and a real GM should begin to be courted so that a plan and staff can be assembled to begin a positive change ASAP. This person would have a half season to begin assembling a strategy, personnel, etc. Ofcourse, I don't know who should fill in (April?) for Jauron. Ah heck, might as well promote Van Pelt to HC the midnight before their next game.

Until the Bills get a real GM, scouting staff for productivity out of their early round draft picks, and a real coaching staff, there will be nothing to get excited about. Well,...that is, unless you count Moorman "coffin corner" kicks as exciting.

As much as I love the chess boxer picture, it is clear that the Texans have gotten more out of their 1st round draft picks for the past 10 years than have the Bills. The Bills, as pointed out by an excellent poster, does complete a more successful draft in the later rounds (4-7). But their early rounds (1-3) have been pretty bad. HC of the Texans, Gary Kubiak makes a great point in the News article. You build through the draft. If players the Bills drafted in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003 are no longer with the team, that is a tremendous waste of opportunity. I used the Texans because they were relevant as a team actually building toward success, a team we are playing today/ this week, and have a similar post season record as we do this decade. The Texans are quietly building towards success, and not spending or investing in other teams waste (Royal, Dockery, Walker), or throwing millions of dollars at holes hoping that they are filled (Oakland, Washington). The value you get out of those high round draft picks, or the lack thereof, truly speaks of the success of an organization or failure for both the immediate and future seasons of a club.

I don't know where you got that information, but living here in the DC area, Fletcher can STILL play, is a warrior who is never injured, and is constantly getting sideline-to-sideline, clogging up running lanes and making tackles. Indeed, he is perhaps one of maybe 3-5 consistent, solid performers on the Redskins roster.

I agree with you on Fletcher, Pat Williams, and Winfield. Those 3 gave the 'D' an identity to build around. Indeed, if the Bills had retained Big Pat and London, we would not be having the porous run defense nor would the mounting injuries be as dramatic. Leonhard is overrated (by Jet coach Ryan). Sam Adams was finished. Greer was expendable. Clements was waaaaay overvalued (and paid) by San Fran that there is no way I would have competed for his services.

eh. Not great. So-so. Certainly not Tom Brady material.

I will agree that the later rounds are more successful than the 1st 3. Peters and Greer were undrafted. As was Moorman. Fred Jackson is another. 2 are no longer with the team, but they have had relative success with undrafted free agents. I do like Butler and Williams, and you are right that the secondary has been a relative gold-mine of late round finds. The issue is that the money is clearly at the first rounds of the draft. The organization cannot continue to squander its first round draft choices as not only do those choices provide the greater impetus to change immediately in the "win now!" NFL, but the vast amount of dollars being invested in the promise of these players clearly offsets contracts to veteran players and affects the teams overall bottom line. Though I do agree with you that whomever is drafting the Bills picks in rounds 1-3 needs to be fired ASAP. I would also agree that the drafters of rounds 4-7 should be considered for promotion. The only issue with that, is that they are probably the same person.

Not surprising. Why would we want a veteran on the offensive line? Pssssh, having an experienced, knowledgeable, offensive lineman is overrated.

No prediction. I will only state that for being statistically the best coverage defense in the league, they will have to deal with their hardest test of the season. The Texans lead the league in passing offense. Johnson is reported as playing. The Bills have benefitted from weak QB play the past 3 weeks (Anderson, Sanchez, Delhomme). No doubt, that has alot to do with their statistics. Sunday will be no gift wrapped INT's. This will be a true test. Unless the offense can suddenly discover what it means to sustain SEVERAL drives and actually score touchdowns, the Texans should easily win this game by the start of the 4th quarter.

Absolutely. Considering that the Titans traded away Haynesworth, lost their starting TE to free agency, and haven't really invested in themselves for a couple of seasons, their sudden collapse is really not so sudden at all. I would not pin the financial decisions of the Titans on Fisher. He has more often than not fielded strong, tough, competitive, WINNING teams more so than losers. His attitude, demeanor, and experience with success and coaching in a Super Bowl might make him (along with Schottenheimer) the 2 best value head coaches available this offseason- providing they do give him the axe. I would add one caveat- Fisher would instantly improve the culture, attitude, and win-loss record of the Bills providing, PROVIDING, we get a real football GM, a new scouting staff, and a new director of pro personnel. Losing Modrak, Guy, and Jauron, and hiring Fisher, former Tampa GM Allen, promoting Buddy Nix to head scouting, and bringing in a proven professional evaluator would turn this team around.

There is a nice article in today's Buffalo News about the recent success of the Texans; our opponent this coming Sunday. Talks about the success the Texans have had in drafting and KEEPING their 1st round draft picks within the last 8 years of their existence. Here are the Bills 1st round draft picks, this decade: 2000- Erik Flowers- no longer with team (is he even in the NFL anymore?) 2001- Nate Clements- no longer with team (left as free agent to San Francisco) 2002- Mike Williams- no longer with team (One of the biggest busts (literally and figuratively) in Donahoe and NFL) 2003- Willis McGahee- no longer with team (Sent packing to Baltimore- good riddance) 2004- Lee Evans- still with team (currently struggling despite contract) 2004- JP Losman- no longer with team (currently playing for Las Vegas in minor league football) 2005- No first round pick 2006- Donte Whitner- still with team (playing status in question with emergence of Byrd) 2007- John McCargo- still with team (but a tremendous waste of a 1st round pick and will most likely be gone after this year) 2008- Leodis McElvin- still with team 2009- Aaron Maybin- still with team 2009- Eric Wood- still with team Now, in contrast to the Texans, based on today's Buffalo News article: www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/845496. "The Texans are a team on the rise because of some outstanding drafts and shrewd free agent acquisitions. Six of their seven first-rounders are still with the team. They missed on quarterback David Carr, the No. 1 overall selection in 2002, but they hit home runs with Johnson (2003), Robinson (2004), Williams (2006), defensive tackle Amobi Okoye (2007), Brown (2008) and linebacker Brian Cushing (2009). Johnson in particular has achieved superstar status. A physical specimen with great size and speed, the 6-foot-3, 225-pounder led the league in catches (115) and receiving yards (1,575) last season, and is first in yards (634 on 38 catches) this year. The only player to reach 500 career catches in fewer games than Johnson's 88 was Arizona's Anquan Boldin (80). Another high-profile pick was Williams, whose No. 1 overall selection in 2006 created controversy as Texans fans coveted University of Texas quarterback and Houston native Vince Young. But Williams silenced critics by becoming the dominant pass rusher the team envisioned he would be with 36.5 sacks in three-plus seasons. Robinson is the Texans' career leader with 13 interceptions. There have been signs of future stardom from Okoye, the youngest player drafted into the NFL at age 19, Brown and Cushing, who leads all rookies with a team-high 56 tackles. The Texans have connected on players after Round One as well. Ryans was a second-round steal. Slaton, starting right tackle Eric Winston and wide receiver-return ace Jacoby Jones were terrific third-round finds. Pro Bowl tight end Owen Daniels was a hidden gem in the fourth round. "The way you build in this league is through the draft," Kubiak said. "That's obviously the route that we decided to start taking four years ago. We put these guys to work right away. They were starting from Day One. "Obviously, if you miss on some of those draft choices that could set you back a long, long way. We've been very fortunate that these guys are doing their job and look like they have some bright futures." It also helps when free agent signings work out. The Texans' boldest move was their 2007 trade with Atlanta for Schaub, who spent three years backing up Michael Vick. In addition to swapping first-round draft picks, the Texans gave up second-round picks in 2007 and 2008. Then they signed Schaub to a six-year, $48 million contract. After two injury-plagued years, Schaub is having a huge '09 season, leading the NFL in passing yards (2,074) and touchdowns (16)." So, let's look at the Bills success of drafting 1st round success statistically for this decade. Out of 12 1st round draft picks, 5 are no longer with the team (41.7%) 1 was traded away for the rights to Losman (8.3%) 6 are technically still with the team, but due to the Bills attempting to trade McCargo last year to Indy and his lack of playing time this year, I will not count him as "being on the team". Therefore, 5 are still with the team (41.7%) Even with that number, will the Bills retain Whitner once he recovers from his injury? They moved him to FS with Scott playing SS for a bigger body in the secondary to provide run support, but with the emergence of Byrd does Whitner get onto the field as a starter anymore? Would his contract then make him a rather expensive back-up and does if Byrd continues does this spend the end of Whitner and, therefore, another 1st round pick no longer with the team? If McCargo is released after this season, that would put the number of players at 6 that are 1st round draft picks no longer with the team and moving the ratio to 50% rate of failure. Put Whitner in there, and the rate of failure jumps to 58.3%. Add that with the draft pick traded away for Losman and that jumps to a 66.6% rate of failure for the draft "experts" at OBD. In simpler terms, the Bills are attempting to build a team with a success rate of 1/3, or 33.3%. If what the Texans Kubiak says is true in terms of building a team through the draft, the Bills are killing themselves. Wood looks like the real deal, and McKelvin seems to be solid as well. But Maybin is also struggling for playing time- granted, he did hold out all of training camp and as per Fewell, opposing defenses are focusing on attacking Buffalo's inferior run defense- thus eliminating the need for a pass-rush specialist such as Maybin. So, it is still too early to quit on Maybin...yet. But does this make enough of a case that Modrak should go?

Where's Peters? I don't know how the Bills would have worked Wood and Oher in this year's draft, as both were 1st round draft picks. Obviously, you pass on Maybin and select Oher (wise move), but you would still trade Peters to Philly and use that pick on Wood (another good move IMO)? I don't know. Those Peters lovers didn't catch this one, I take it. There is a nice article in today's Buffalo News about the recent success of the Texans; our opponent this coming Sunday. Talks about the success the Texans have had in drafting and KEEPING their 1st round draft picks within the last 8 years of their existence. Here are the Bills 1st round draft picks, this decade: 2000- Erik Flowers- no longer with team (is he even in the NFL anymore?) 2001- Nate Clements- no longer with team (left as free agent to San Francisco) 2002- Mike Williams- no longer with team (One of the biggest busts (literally and figuratively) in Donahoe and NFL) 2003- Willis McGahee- no longer with team (Sent packing to Baltimore- good riddance) 2004- Lee Evans- still with team (currently struggling despite contract) 2004- JP Losman- no longer with team (currently playing for Las Vegas in minor league football) 2005- No first round pick 2006- Donte Whitner- still with team (playing status in question with emergence of Byrd) 2007- John McCargo- still with team (but a tremendous waste of a 1st round pick and will most likely be gone after this year) 2008- Leodis McElvin- still with team 2009- Aaron Maybin- still with team 2009- Eric Wood- still with team Now, in contrast to the Texans, based on today's Buffalo News article: www.buffalonews.com/sports/story/845496. "The Texans are a team on the rise because of some outstanding drafts and shrewd free agent acquisitions. Six of their seven first-rounders are still with the team. They missed on quarterback David Carr, the No. 1 overall selection in 2002, but they hit home runs with Johnson (2003), Robinson (2004), Williams (2006), defensive tackle Amobi Okoye (2007), Brown (2008) and linebacker Brian Cushing (2009). Johnson in particular has achieved superstar status. A physical specimen with great size and speed, the 6-foot-3, 225-pounder led the league in catches (115) and receiving yards (1,575) last season, and is first in yards (634 on 38 catches) this year. The only player to reach 500 career catches in fewer games than Johnson's 88 was Arizona's Anquan Boldin (80). Another high-profile pick was Williams, whose No. 1 overall selection in 2006 created controversy as Texans fans coveted University of Texas quarterback and Houston native Vince Young. But Williams silenced critics by becoming the dominant pass rusher the team envisioned he would be with 36.5 sacks in three-plus seasons. Robinson is the Texans' career leader with 13 interceptions. There have been signs of future stardom from Okoye, the youngest player drafted into the NFL at age 19, Brown and Cushing, who leads all rookies with a team-high 56 tackles. The Texans have connected on players after Round One as well. Ryans was a second-round steal. Slaton, starting right tackle Eric Winston and wide receiver-return ace Jacoby Jones were terrific third-round finds. Pro Bowl tight end Owen Daniels was a hidden gem in the fourth round. "The way you build in this league is through the draft," Kubiak said. "That's obviously the route that we decided to start taking four years ago. We put these guys to work right away. They were starting from Day One. "Obviously, if you miss on some of those draft choices that could set you back a long, long way. We've been very fortunate that these guys are doing their job and look like they have some bright futures." It also helps when free agent signings work out. The Texans' boldest move was their 2007 trade with Atlanta for Schaub, who spent three years backing up Michael Vick. In addition to swapping first-round draft picks, the Texans gave up second-round picks in 2007 and 2008. Then they signed Schaub to a six-year, $48 million contract. After two injury-plagued years, Schaub is having a huge '09 season, leading the NFL in passing yards (2,074) and touchdowns (16)." So, let's look at the Bills success of drafting 1st round success statistically for this decade. Out of 12 1st round draft picks, 5 are no longer with the team (41.7%) 1 was traded away for the rights to Losman (8.3%) 6 are technically still with the team, but due to the Bills attempting to trade him last year to Indy and his lack of playing time this year, I will not count him as "being on the team". Therefore, 5 are still with the team (41.7%) Even with that number, will the Bills retain Whitner once he recovers from his injury? They moved him to FS with Scott playing SS for a bigger body in the secondary to provide run support, but with the emergence of Byrd does Whitner get onto the field as a starter anymore? Would his contract then make him a rather expensive back-up and does if Byrd continues does this spend the end of Whitner and, therefore, another 1st round pick no longer with the team? If McCargo is released after this season, that would put the number of players at 6 that are 1st round draft picks no longer with the team and moving the ratio to 50% rate of failure. Put Whitner in there, and the rate of failure jumps to 58.3%. Add that with the draft pick traded away for Losman and that jumps to a 66.6% rate of failure for the draft "experts" at OBD. In simpler terms, the Bills are attempting to build a team with a success rate of 1/3, or 33.3%. If what the Texans Kubiak says is true in terms of building a team through the draft, the Bills are killing themselves. Wood looks like the real deal, and McKelvin seems to be solid as well. But Maybin is also struggling for playing time- granted, he did hold out all of training camp and as per Fewell, opposing defenses are focusing on attacking Buffalo's inferior run defense- thus eliminating the need for a pass-rush specialist such as Maybin. So, it is still too early to quit on Maybin...yet. But does this make enough of a case that Modrak should go?

I agree. I sincerely hope that he turns out to be an All-Pro. For all of the boner moves by John Guy (he should still be fired), Meredith and DT Spencer Johnson are respectable additions.

He has come out and publicly stated, numerous times over since he retired, that he is not interested in coaching. He has, however, stated that he would be interested in approaching Ralph about a partial/ minority ownership with the Bills.