bobobonators

Hes started 6 NFL games and the Browns are a dumpster fire. Cut the guy a break.

A relatively easy W in cincy?

Good.

I agree. And yes we are all guilty of it.

Agreed.

Ill personally take the objective praises of Tyrod by the likes of Belichick, Gruden, our HC's (who didnt have to start him when they got here), or even Fisher, over some of the subjective blowhards on this forum.

Haha. Looks like 90% of the discussions that occur on here.

Kaep invalidates his rhetoric and reinforces his ignorance. Last time I checked there is more than one race on a ballot card. Youre not just voting for president, Kaep. You vote for sheriffs. You vote for senate. You vote for judges. Etc. By abstaining you refuse to participate in the very system you have the nerve to complain about; a system you profess "must be changed." You sure as hell wont change anything by taking a knee on election day. Ignorant prick.

4-12.

I didnt think of it either. I was too busy yelling obscenities at the tv and my wife asking me wtf just happened to have all my wits about me.

This, exactly. Also they should have an age cutoff of no more than 50 for refs. The game is faster than ever and Walt Anderson is too old in my opinion. 1. Full time refs. Pay them appropriately. 2. No ref over than 50.

Agreed. If I'm Gruden, I never return to coaching. Talk about a sweet gig right now.

I think its all in good fun. Im not justifying our loss im not even coming close to that point. Something to lighten up the mood around here is all.

Im not sure. There may be a fine line. Too much air and its too heavy/hard. Too little air and that ball isnt going anywhere. Slightly deflated, just right. Like the three little bears. Lol

Makes sense. Either way the balls look slightly deflated. Cheats v2.0

The pic on the left is clearly not from last night's game. They may be claiming the ones on the right are. Cheathawks****

http://www.12up.com/posts/4080117-more-images-surface-of-clearly-deflated-footballs-from-seattle-last-night?a_aid=40677

I thought you were going to say that despite the loss, our chances to make the playoffs improved bc the loss was vs an nfc opponent.

Fair enough. I wouldnt qualify yesterday as a great game for the defense but i get what youre trying to say.

It's not denying reality at all. You are the only one denying reality b/c you talk about football like it's a 1v1 sport. The REALITY is that there are 10 other players on the field. That is the only reality I see. You talk about football like it's singles tennis. In the 4th down incompletion, look at the tape. Nobody is open in the end zone. There is a man underneath on Woods and there is a man on him. Look at the play. What is he supposed to do, fly like superman and score?

To your point about Graham, I feel that there was little any defense could do against those catches. You can probably run those plays over and over and over again, and Graham/RW may complete those catches once or twice like they did yesterday. Great players indeed make great plays. Unfortunately for us, those players decided to make a lot of great plays last night - in that regard we were unlucky to a certain extent b/c at least one of those big passes could have easily been dropped. The defense played better in the second half, I'm not taking that away from them. Still though, I'd have to look it up, when was the last time the Seahawks have scored 28 points in a half in the last couple of seasons? I'd venture to say never.

I don't think the defense was lousy for 4 quarters. However, giving up 28 points to an avg. Seattle offense in a single half and expecting the offense to keep up against arguably the #1 defense in seattle is pretty demoralizing. Also, the Bills offense possessed the ball for over 20 minutes in the second half. The defense only made two stops in the second half that didn't result in points, not b/c they were great, but b/c they simply weren't on the field. That being said, the defense did play better in the second half overall compared to the 1st half. A game can be lost in the first half, and I feel yesterday was an example of that.

Well said, except for: "The object is to win fairly, squarely, by the rules - but to win." (unless your the Cheats*****)

I really wouldn't call Dareus injury prone at all - he just has other problems. But you do bring up a concerning point, our key, fundamental players have all missed significant amounts of time over the past 1.5 seasons. And yeh, I get it that injuries happen. But at some point I'd like to see Watkins, Tyrod, and Shady play 13-15 consecutive games together. A part of me wonders if that will ever happen.

I agree, I would prefer TT to start taking more calculated gambles in appropriate situations at the cost of a turnover. I can live with a turnover on their side of the field in the attempt at a big play. Will the coaching staff agree with this though?