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Lance Zierlein take on NFL. com
Draft Projection: Priority free agent
Overview
Tall tackle with predictable leverage issues, creating difficulties in both run and pass phases. Tenuta is a segmented mover who lacks desired play strength. His issues are made worse by erratic hand placement, but coaching could improve his hands, which would alleviate some of his strength concerns. He won't shine as a drive blocker or move blocker. And his pass-protection issues are more physical in nature, making them harder to correct. He's a potential undrafted free agent and could struggle to compete at the pro level.
Strengths
Started at both tackle positions.
Father is a longtime coach.
Pretty fair athlete getting into space on pulls.
Uses size to wall off linebackers on climbs.
Inside hands will make him stronger in pass protection.
Protection looked better by the end of last season.
Hustles out to meet edge speed with pass sets.
Weaknesses
Disappointing length for his size.
Height creates natural trouble with leverage.
Lacks explosive lift into contact.
Below-average lateral movement.
Upper-body strength and core power are a concern.
Below-average punch and control in pass sets.
Pass slides are heavy and segmented.
Below-average anchor.
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6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:
Looking at the off season moves that have been made to this point I think there are a couple of things we can assume for Dorsey's offense
1. We will probably see more two tight end sets with OJ Howard and Knox on the field. Throw Diggs, Gabe, and now Cook out there, and I think Dorsey just created a nightmare for defenses. I suspect this will overtake 11 personnel as the most common offensive set this year.
Good post.
Well, anything is possible. But this seems unlikely:
1) the (1,2) set (2 WR, 1 RB, 2 TE) was the most common offensive set for only one team last season: Miami.
Only about 1/3 of the teams use the (1,1) set on fewer than 50% of their snaps: Atl, Bal, Cle, Mia, Minn, NO, SF.
Do those look like teams we probably want to emulate offensively, to you?
I think the 11 set remains our predominant offense. The focus on signing slot-type WR (Crowder, McKenzie, now drafting Shakir) says to me that Dorsey wants to use 3 WR and wants to be sure he has a reasonable Beasley replacement on-tap.
Then the focus on acquiring/drafting RB who represent a legit pass-catching threat from the backfield (Duke Johnson, now James Cook) may argue that we want to see more (1,2) or even (2,2) sets, but OJ Howard is a guy with all the potential in the world, who hasn't quite proven he can do that thing yet on the field consistently.So I don't see us decreasing our reliance on WR quite yet, though I hope we will have some more effective wrinkles in the short passing game.
6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:2. With the failed run at McKissic, the signing of Duke Johnson, and now the drafting of Cook, I think we are going to see more swing passes, screens, and an overall increase in the involvement of the RBs in the passing game this year. When the Bills do line up in 11 personnel, if defenses want to play two deep safeties to keep Josh from burning them over the top, they better hope their LBs can tackle because the underneath is going to be wide open and now we have some weapons who can truly exploit it.
I agree with this. The Bills have definitely said "OK, you want to play 2 deep safeties and blanket the middle of the field, prepare to have us run on you or burn you underneath with guys who can gain YAC."
6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:3. We have become a faster offense. With the resigning and likely bigger role for McKenzie, the drafting of Cook, and Marquez Stevenson waiting in the wings, we should see a faster offense. I hope we finally get to see some of Stevenson on offense this year. He was buried on the depth chart last year, but with Sanders gone that bumps everyone up one spot on the depth chart. Beane hasn't gone after one of the burner WRs in the draft so far. That may be just because of how the draft fell to them, but there is also a possibility that the Bills think they already have their burner on the roster in Stevenson. I think Crowder is also faster than Beasley and I see a career year for him this year with Josh slinging him the rock.
I think Crowder deserves a good year. I don't share the Stevenson enthusiasm.
6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:4. With the return of Aaron Kromer I think we can expect an improvement in the running game. The Bills had the #1 rushing attack in the NFL in 2015 and 2016 when Kromer was the O-line coach. I don't think Buffalo will ever be a run first team as long as Josh is under center, but if we can become more effective in the run game that will pay huge dividends all around for the offense. The Bills passed the ball 59.2% of the time last season, I expect that number to come down this season.
5. This is related to the point above, an improved running game should also diminish the wear and tear on our franchise QB. I think called QB runs except for short yardage situations will become few and far between. Josh will still do Josh things and take off when he sees an opening, but I would be shocked if he is the Bills' leading rusher again this year.
I share this as a hope. Beane certainly laid it out there as a belief that a decent run game was important to protecting Josh.
6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:6. This one is more of a guess on my part, but I think the next step in Josh's evolution is being able to completely change the play at the line of scrimmage based on the defensive look on any given play, ala Peyton Manning. Dorsey is a former QB and I think he will trust Josh with more freedom on the field to make those calls than Daboll did. We've all seen Josh can make any throw on the field, he is one of the best running QBs in the NFL, I think the next area we see him make a huge leap in is the mental aspect of the game. This is year five for Josh and I think he is ready to take complete ownership of the offense.
According to Daboll Josh has had the authority to audible since his 2nd season. So I'm not sure what additional freedom you're looking for.
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16 hours ago, ToBillsFan said:
Answer: Defence
Remember that when you’re banging the table for fancy offensive picks.
what are the 3 positions of weakness according to this board?
Answer: CB, RB and LB
….you see a trend here
maybe not your fav picks but there’s a reason we do what we do and the front office does what they do
Actually, a lot of this board (myself included) sees weakness on OL and pass rush. We addressed the latter in FA, the former Not So Much
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Sorry about the delayed unlock, guys
Sounds like someone to compete at backup Swing tackle.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/luke-tenuta/32005445-4e67-5714-49e8-18b876a064eb
"Tenuta comes from an athletic family. His father, Jon, played football at Virginia and is the defensive coordinator for the USFL's New Orleans Breakers. His mother, Dori, played hoops at Virginia. As a redshirt freshman, Tenuta made five starts in 13 appearances at right tackle. In 2020, he started nine games at right tackle. He started 10 games at left tackle and one on the right side in 2021. "
-- by Chad Reuter
I suppose I'm prejudiced by the abhominable play of the previous OLman we drafted from V-Tech, Ed Wang (5th round, 2010)
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there we go!
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1 minute ago, Doc said:
Zion Johnson is a LG. Saffold will be playing LG. I'm not drafting a player to have him sit for a year. As for Penning, who says he'd beat out Brown anyway?
Saffold has played RG and was told "for now" they expect he'd be playing LG
One can make an argument, sure
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48 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:
You should probably get a ban or go in the timeout corner for this
It does it again, rubbing the lotion on its body won't save it from getting the hose
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Just now, Doc said:
I think Bates is, hence matching his 4-year deal. I agree on Saffold, but that's a concern for next year.
Given the importance of "building from the inside" and the fact that last year's OL was severely deficient in run blocking - the idea is to bring someone in BEFORE you need them.
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9 minutes ago, Doc said:
I don't think they were targeting the same CB either. I think the Bills were always after Elam because he's taller, faster, has longer arms, and was really good in the premier division in college football.
As for OL, considering they signed Saffold and matched an offer sheet for Bates, and drafted Brown last year, I didn't think that IOL or RT were options.
Saffold on a 1 yr contract and the hope that Bates will continue to play well are not long term plans at IOL
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35 minutes ago, I Am The Liqour said:
Gabe Davis is on his right hand side and it looks like Mitch Morse on his left side. Kind of hard to tell with the quality.
Mitch Morse is a good guess, or how about Ryan Bates?
2 minutes ago, I Am The Liqour said:The one with the beard on his left is Mitch Morse.
Could it be Ryan Bates? A guy who would pick up a chicken wing hat and scream "I'm a Chicken Wing! I'm a ***** Chicken Wing!" would vibe well with that group
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33 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:
At one point it was Knox, Kaiir, JoshRight, but in the post I quoted, there was a link to a video in which it was clearly not - Josh was sitting next to Knox, then Doyle, then Sweeney.
Elam was in the 2nd row flanked by a couple of guys - I'm not sure if it was Tyrell Dodson, Gabe Davis, Elam, then Epenesa (??)
18 minutes ago, Doc said:Why hopeful? I still think Beane knew the Chefs were looking for a CB at 21 and that's why he targeted 20. And I think CB was always the 1st round target.
Because I don't think the Chiefs and the Bills were both targeting the same CB. I think if Beane wanted to move up, it would (hopefully) be for a different position. And two quality OLmen I had hoped the Bills were targeting, both went off the board higher than 20 (17 and 19)
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5 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:
Even if the Bills had Elam ranked higher than McDuffie (possible..we'll never know) then it would still be reasonable to think that most teams probably had McDuffie higher and that he'd be drafted before Elam, by some team just making their pick or by a team moving up. Veach specifically saying that KC moved to 21 to get ahead of Buffalo suggests (but isn't proof) that the Bills were trying manuever to get McDuffie. Veach clearly had reason to think that McDuffie was the Bills target. It's a fact that KC took McDuffie...so KC wasn't trying to move up to 21 because they were concerned Elam wouldn't be there.
Given that McDuffie had been ranked appreciably higher by available sources, it doesn't seem like Elam was the guy the Bills were coveting when making calls to move up to as high as 20.
Question: what are these sources, and why is it reasonable to think "most teams" had McDuffie higher?
I understand you're a Chiefs fan, so it's reasonable of you to think that the Chiefs got the better, more highly ranked player. But we've seen over and over that how teams rank players, and how press draft pundits rank players, are not the same thing.
Maybe it's just hopeful thinking on my part, but if the Bills were calling around trying to get up to #20, I think it's possible they were hoping to get a player at a different position - Zion Johnson or Trevor Penning, or perhaps Treylon Burks (less likely I think). Once those players were gone ahead of pick 20, it was time for "plan B".
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14 hours ago, I Am The Liqour said:
I feel like this is more Buffalo
Who are the guys flanking Kaiir in the 2nd row?
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2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:
This might be harder to follow than days one and two but might as well have somewhere to discuss it! It feels like the Bills will not do the predictable and we do have a handful of picks in the sixth which we may try to trade up with.
At first I thought that's why Beane was collecting extra picks, to trade up.
But regardless of value, does any team really want to trade a 4th for a bunch of 6th round picks?
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2 hours ago, Cash said:
Yeah, the two wildcards that none of us have any clue about are Stevenson and Hodgins. Hodgins has played so little, he plausibly might be one of the first cuts in training camp, or easily could wind up the top backup outside. I loved Stevenson coming out of the draft last year, and thought he showed a lot of promise. Some dumb rookie mistakes to be sure, but those are learning opportunities. He could e primed for a big jump this year. Or not! Without insider access, we have no way of predicting.
Honest question: What has Stevenson done that you feel showed a lot of promise?
Hodgins. There seems to be a lot of Hodgins love on the board. In general, we as fans seem to love our 6th and 7th rounders who we've barely seen on the field (Sweeney).
The bottom lines are:
1) Hodgins is going into his 3rd season, and has seen four (4) snaps in one game. That's not promising.
2) Fundamentally, Hodgins would be no higher than the #5 WR behind Diggs, Davis, Crowder, and McKenzie.
The #5 WR MUST play teams. Has Hodgins ever played teams? In College? In Preseason?
That's why Kumerow is on the roster - not because he's a great or even a good WR, but because he can really play teams.
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On 1/15/2022 at 1:16 PM, MJS said:
Doesn't AV try to account for starters on bad teams? Don't they weight starters on good teams higher versus starters on bad teams? I thought I remembered that when I last looked at the methodology.
So here's their explanation of it:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index37a8.html
It has a lot of links in it, but if you're really interested, you can go through and find the details.
Bottom line I think it doesn't, but I could be wrong.
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11 hours ago, Warcodered said:
LOL looks like Kaiir Elam fled to the second row to let Doyle and the TE (and Allen) rowdy together.
Can't blame him!
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7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Nah, Kiper is actually quite good.
Is he though?
I've tried to find his past "big board" to compare to how players actually worked out, and couldn't. Maybe they're available on some paywall site?
What is Kiper's success percentage (let's say, players he listed in the first 3 rounds turning into capable NFL players within 3 years, which is a pretty low bar)
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10 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:
Love Beane and while he’s had solid success in the first round, he’s struggled in rounds 2 and 3. Knox is the exception thus far. But yet strong again in the later rounds. Odd
I don't think this is quite right.
Early days yet, but Spencer Brown shows promise. Devin Singletary had a strong 2019 and a strong end of last season - I don't think flaws there are with him, I think it's blocking and how he was used. Harrison Phillips is a solid player at a position which, for the Bills, requires grinders who don't get good stats, and got a solid 2nd contract from a different team. Knox looks great as of his 3rd season (last year) but did not look like a good pick his rookie year and 2020. So it's possible that Epenesa and Basham may yet show something.
So that would say out of 8 picks, Beane got 1 looks-like-star (Knox), 3 solid players (Singletary, Brown, Phillips), 2 disappointments (Ford, Moss) and 2 guys who are disappointing so far, but may still turn out good (Epenesa, Basham - see above where Knox didn't look so good his first 2 seasons)
I believe overall the success rate in the 2nd and 3rd round is 30% - that's not 30% "stars" that's just 30% guys who can legit play in the NFL.
10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:More around why they need a back up for him?
Because Milano gets hurt and we moved on from Klein
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On 4/28/2022 at 10:11 PM, BillsEnthusiast said:
I don't really think Lamar is a top end QB in the long term, but Baltimore is not doing him any favors by trading Hollywood. Could he be out of Baltimore soon?
Except that Marquise Brown has been repeatedly and publicly unhappy in Baltimore.
Which Lamar Jackson knew about.
Source: Marquise Brown
On 4/28/2022 at 11:04 PM, ndirish1978 said:Brown asked for a trade. That LJ didn't know this is
strange.....incorrect, according to Brown, who said he had multiple convos with Lamar about not liking the Ravens "system"
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I think this falls into the category "Be conscious that posts in a quiet week in March (or July) may be inappropriate during training camp (or the middle of draft week)"
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4 hours ago, GolfandBills said:
Yeah looks like 28 bmi to me
I mean, it could be, the point is that BMI just correlates height and weight, it tells you nothing about body composition and whether the weight is due to fat or to heavy lean muscle.
41 minutes ago, JustGiveItToEm said:Singletary is 31.8 so he is "obese."
Look at that fat slob
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4 hours ago, NewEra said:
Dunno if it was mentioned here before, but Cook has a 27.8 BMI.
that’s nuts. After listening to eisens interview and his FaceTime interview, it sounds like dude just smokes fatties all day. Nothing wrong with that…if you’re not a professional athlete. Some of the day, fine….but a 28 bmi is 👎🏻
Time to clean that up.
While this could all be bad news…..it can also be great news. If we can get him into the best shape of his life, we might see a better version
I'm sure the Bills did their due diligence on his character and work ethic.
WTF is this with "BMI"?
CDC:
If an athlete or other person with a lot of muscle has a BMI over 25, is that person still considered to be overweight?
According to the BMI weight status categories, anyone with a BMI between 25 and 29.9 would be classified as overweight and anyone with a BMI over 30 would be classified as having obesity.
However, athletes may have a high BMI because of increased muscularity rather than increased body fatness. In general, a person who has a high BMI is likely to have body fatness and would be considered to be overweight or obese, but this may not apply to athletes. A trained healthcare provider should perform appropriate health assessments to evaluate an individual’s health status and risks.
At a self-acknowledged 245 on the Pat McAfee show last season, Josh Allen has a BMI of 29. At his listed weight of 237, it would be 28.1. Such a Lummox!
I thought squirrels and Jr High Girls understood that BMI is only useful as an indicator of obesity for people with a "normal" build, because all it does is correlate height to total weight - and if someone has a high muscle mass, they will have a high weight for their height and a high BMI even as they have a low body fat percentage.
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2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:
Good thing the draft isn't "supposed" to be about immediate needs.
Yeah yeah everybody says “best player available” but practically speaking, I don’t see how any team could do that.
They grade the guys, they’ll typically have several guys with similar grades at different positions and then yes, of course, need factors into it.
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