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2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
He's devalued some because he is coming from a poorly coached Miami team..........there has been great value in selecting Miami players late in recent years and coaching them up.
But his hands were bad in college. His hand reliability improved some after transferring to Miami from Oklahoma.........but he's still basically a 3rd-4th round athlete with UDFA hands, IMO. Fix the hands and you have an NFL receiver.
It would be good strategy IMO to bring into the building or have private workouts off-site with players that they anticipate being priority UDFA's..........I think most of the top prospects they really don't need to have visit...........but the one's they need to recruit they would gain an advantage by doing so.
This last is actually a good point I hadn't considered....if the team drafts a guy, he plays for us or for no one. It's the guys we want to sign as UDFA we have to build a relationship with and persuade.
Still, I hadn't heard of teams using (limited numbers of) building visits or even private workouts on potential UDFA. I don't think the number of private workouts are technically limited, but they're practically limited by the volume the FO staff can handle.
Any idea how this has played out - have the Bills in the last 4 years actually signed any UDFA who had pre-draft visits to OBD or private workouts?
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9 minutes ago, Paul Costa said:
Of the several people you know that have recovered 100% In a 6-8 month period are #1 CB’s in the NFL? I’m guessing Tre’s day job is a little more stressful on the repaired ACL than most people. To recover in 6-8 months to go back to a desk job is very different than going back to coving Tyrik Hill in the opener.
You're correct that Tre's day job is far more stressful on his knee, but by the same token - Tre's job is to rehab full-time at this point, whereas us ordinary working folks were doing well if we could fit in 2-3 hour-long PT sessions at a lesser-equipped facility and then an hour a day of rehab on our own. And it's a rare "desk job" gal or guy who has stuff like zero-gravity treadmills and pool therapy along with focused, individualized attention from top therapists and trainers.
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1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:
He had surgery on December 15th which a little less than a week short of 5 months.
Errrr.....January February March April, almost exactly 4 months out.
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2 hours ago, freddyjj said:
The catch rate is actually completion rate when targeted.
Yes, that's what catch % is - receptions/targets. So there will be some "throw aways" that are in there, but that is true for all WR.
And against all WR, that's pretty freakin' bad.
I pulled out the top 100 WR at pro-football-reference and sorted them by catch %. Davis was 91.
If you sort by yards per target, he's 30th. Only 6 of the WR with higher y/target have catch % under 60%, and all of them are higher than Davis (58% or 59%). The only one that's comparable is Van Jeffferson (56%)
So objectively, that 55% catch % is not very good, even when adjusted for WR with high yards per target.
2 hours ago, freddyjj said:Davis has A 6% drop rate over 2 seasons. The completion rate when targeted is actually not bad given average air yards when targeted.
I'd need to see the data you're using to reach that conclusion because it's not consistent with mine
Again, if we pull out the top 100 WR (not RBs, not TEs) and look at drop rate, Davis drop rate of 7.9% last season is...91. If we sort by average depth of target (air yards when targeted), we see he indeed was used as a deep ball guy, 13.3 ADOT and he's 12th out of the top 100 WR.....and every WR above him has a lower drop %, usually much lower - only Van Jefferson (6.7%) is close. If we pull out the top 40 WR for ADOT and sort by drop %, Davis is 38 out of 40.
I like Davis, I'm not trying to dunk on the guy, but let's not pretend that his catch % and his drop % don't need improvement for him to become a consistent #2. They're objectively not good, even looking at comparable groups (WR only, no TE or RB) and limiting the comparison further to the deep ball guys.
My bottom line for Davis is similar to my bottom line for Knox after his second season. You can clearly see great potential there, you can see plays and even games where (to me) he has a great game. Then there are games where he disappears or even has negative impact (is targeted 14 times and only catches 3; drops catchable balls at key points).
That's not good enough for our #2 guy.
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6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Bane training 😂😂
Its an air restriction device that makes breathing harder, haven't seen these in awhile, they were popular for couple years then fell out of favor because they didn't really help stamina.
https://www.healthline.com/health/training-mask-benefits#safety
OK, so they're supposed to help increase your peak VO2, but there's debate about if they actually do this. Living at high elevation forces all sorts of adaptations that wearing a mask for 2-3 hrs a day won't. But it may make your breathing muscles more efficient.
1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:BB, there are still two knuckleheads in my gym who use these masks. The research supports they don’t work. If anything, you can get more fatigued, thus increasing the risk of injury.
Now I’ve seen some guys, myself one of them a decade ago using a weighted vest to make it harder to complete cardio. I eventually gave it to my oldest son.
Those do work well.
I seem to remember the RB coach we had at the time (was it Lynn?), made Shady McCoy work out with a 2 lb and 5 lb weighted vest in an effort to persuade him to lose a little weight. The vest made everything so much harder that it worked and he did lose some weight.
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35 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
🤷♂️
I like this reply:
He did a pretty nice number on NE also .......
but apparently he actually is going to be performing on AGT - should be wild
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24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Yeah.......to me just 6 games out of 37..........16% of games played............with over 80 yards receiving..........and most nowhere near that......... just isn't anymore convincing than pointing out that he's averaged 35 yards per game in the regular season.
It's assumed that receivers will have some notably above average games...........which is what 80 yards represents..........not "greatness"........but definitely an above average game.
If Davis has no real competition for that WR2 spot..........he should be expected to produce well over 1,000 yards with Josh Allen as his QB.........just as he and John Brown combined for 1048 in 2020............and as he and Sanders combined for 1172 in 2021.
But the real objective should be to be on par with Tee Higgins........Cinci's #2...........who put up 78 yards per game last year and around 1100 yards.
Almost double the yardage of Gabe Davis despite Davis (571) playing 80% of the snaps Higgins did(710).
That's what a clear #2 in an offense with Josh Allen should probably put up...........which is a WHOLE LOT more than the 55 yards per game figure you think represents what the best WR2 can average.
But whether what we expect to see from WR2 is just 55 yards per game or 80 yards per game.............the fact remains that 35 is what he averaged for his first 36 games in the NFL.........and that wouldn't be even CLOSE to good enough.
When you look at it objectively.........it's A LOT to ask of Davis to make that big of a production jump without giving him some significant competition.............which Jake Kumerow is not.
I think the bottom line is we agree far more than we disagree here - it would be great if Gabe Davis can take a step and become that #2, but to date he hasn't proven he can do that over a 17 game season, and it would behoove the Bills to bring in some real talent at WR to develop and compete.
I would point out that I'm not going off what "I think" a #2 WR can average but actual receiving data, I'm not gonna go point by point through the rest though
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11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I know that if I accused the team of playing the lesser player in Sanders only because he was making more money than the better player Davis..........you would ask me for a link/proof.
Just to be clear on what I was saying: I am NOT saying that the team was playing "the lesser player" or that they were playing Sanders "only because he was making more money than Davis". So you're correct, but that's rather a red herring.
There's cause and effect here: the Bills were playing Sanders because they perceived him to be the better player at the beginning of the season, and he was ahead of Davis on the depth chart in their eyes. The Bills paid Sanders $6M because of that perception.
Oh and stats say actually per game, Sanders was a bit better. More receptions, more yards per game.
11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:So we have to make the assumption that he actually wasn't outplaying Sanders..........whether that be because of the recurring foot/ankle issues or just not practicing well or because of distractions caused by having different vax protocols...........whatever it was.........he wasn't getting it done in practice and subsequently was not getting the snaps.
Agreed, although I think there's the point that coaches seem to require a higher bar in practice to unseat a veteran who is higher on the depth chart after preseason. The assumption is that the vet will save himself then "turn it up" on Sunday. So we, and the coaches, really can't tell if the guy who is lower on the chart is "outplaying" or could outplay the starter, because they don't do the experiment barring injury or outright suckage.
11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:As for the 6 "really great" games..........you have a really low bar for "really great".
He only has two 100 yard games in 32 regular season contests.........and those were relative outliers..........and "barely" 100.........105 versus the Jets this year and the other one was 107 yards in the blowout finale against Miami in 2020.
OK, tell me how you define a really great game for a #2 WR?
The top 15 receivers in this league - the #1s - averaged over 70 yds per game. So I figure if the #2 guy is bringing in more than 70 yds a game, that's a pretty good game for a #2. Davis has 8 such games in his 2 years (5 in 2020, 3 in 2021)
The top 5 receivers in this league averaged over 85 ypg with #6 being 80 ypg. So I figure if the #2 guy is just off the top 5, or >80 yds/game, that's a great game for the #2. Davis has 6 such games.
You can quibble about the word choice and say it's a good game or an adequate game or whatever, but the point is, the best of the #2 guys in the league are averaging 55 ypg, so significantly exceeding that is a strong showing for a #2 guy
11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:So while I think he's shown a lot of promise and I didn't say he was a 1-game wonder...........you put those words in my mouth..........he actually kinda' is a 1 game wonder statistically.
I think you're incorrect on that latter, but I'd be happy to hear how you define "good game" or "great game" for the #2 WR and why.
I'm sorry you feel I put words in your mouth, but I neither claimed you said he was a 1-game wonder nor intended to imply that. I was making my own point, backed up by his game logs.
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37 minutes ago, Augie said:
I respect everyone who analyzes the numbers and puts things in numerical perspective. I’m a guy who looks at the player and has gut reactions. I know that’s not something that is empirically defensible, but I go by my feel, and I’m often enough wrong. 🤷♂️
I see Gabe Davis as a guy who gets it done and makes great plays. I saw Knox the same way, even when things seemed questionable. They had gaps in their play as young guys, but they are playmakers. I consider the entire season, including the record setting playoff performance, and I thought Gabe had one helluva year.
I think that's a fair perspective and points out the different perspectives people can have looking at the same player.
Before last season, I was strongly in favor of us upgrading at TE because I would have said the same thing about Dawson Knox - that he was going into his 3rd season and had some amazing plays and strong games, but had yet to prove he could get it done consistently as a blocking and as a receiving TE
Just as I wanted to see Knox succeed and break out, and want to see him keep it up or improve on it this season, I would love to see Gabe Davis prove he's a top-quality NFL WR.
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3 hours ago, Rhode Island Red said:
Stickmobility.com
photo 50 of iMac w/ the poles
this is a generic tidbit, not sure what the specific drill is about, except to assume it’s a hip mobility/quad/glute/hammy stretch type. It would appear from the plant position of the poles being slightly behind his torso, that you would start more nearly upright and then slide your front foot further out on the blue foot pad thingy. No question that this photo shows extreme range of motion, and would be impossible to maintain w/o assistance of some sort, hence the sticks…
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Maximal effort isometrics (90-100%) can be done as a standalone workout, which requires optimal recuperation, as it fully fatigues the central nervous system. (Think of how often you would do maximal lifts in the gym.)
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Thanks, that's very informative!
Josh commented in one interview about how his trainers and the S&C staff in Buffalo work with him to make sure he is flexible but still strong.
When Joey Bosa corkscrewed him and he was down for a while, Bangedup Bills analyzed it and pointed out that Allen had good hip flexibility and that protected his knee from damage. Apparently there may have been a similar effect with his foot where flexibility prevented him from having a worse turf toe injury.
So if this is designed to enhance flexibility and thus protect the ligaments and muscles from tearing, I'm all for it!
Stick it to your workout, Guys!
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3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
45 is a a oxigen mask - it restricts the amount of oxigen your body gets....think high altitude training
66 is a rope ladder - it is used to practice footwork
(edit sorry I didnt see the previous replies)
Yeah, I know the rope ladder thing - kid used to do them, I called out the pic for another view of that Silence of the Lambs mask thingie
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So NFL.com has a draft pick prediction by Chad Reuter up in which the Bills Do Just That in the first round
https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-draft-ideal-top-two-picks-for-every-team
Here's their take on the Bills:
Buffalo Bills
Round 1: No. 25 overall -- Trent McDuffie, CB, Washington
Round 2: No. 57 overall -- Joshua Ezeudu, OG, North Carolina
McDuffie is an excellent corner who battles receivers and takes on running backs in the open field. His height (just under 5-foot-11) and length (arms measuring less than 30 inches) are not ideal for the position, but general manager Brandon Beane is smart enough to overlook those perceived shortcomings. Ezeudu's an underappreciated prospect who gave North Carolina guard-tackle versatility on the left side and could play either spot in the NFL.
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24 minutes ago, Doc said:
Davis is wearing a high-altitude training simulator. And looks like McK is trying to do a split.
A high-altitude training simulator. Calling it a "torturous" device not far off then.
Why would a WR be trying to do splits?
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16 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I hope he steps up and seizes the #2 role.......he could have done that last season too.........instead he had a sophomore slump.
A lot of fans are just taking it for granted that he is going to be great because of that KC game..........they forget the foot/ankle injuries that recurred again in 2021........and the loss clinching drop at the end of the Jax game...........or his 3 catches on 13 targets game...........and his missing the biggest regular season game of the year in NE because he refused to get vaxxed.........it's certainly no sure thing that he becomes a star just because he had one big game.
I agree with you if your overall point is that one great game against KC does not show Davis is ready to step into the #2 WR role all season (just as one great game against NE doesn't show that McKenzie is ready to be the primary slot all season)
I'm a little unclear as to what you're seeing as a "sophomore slump" though. What I see is that Davis lost snaps early in the season to Sanders, once Daboll figured out that he wasn't gonna be able to run 4 and 5 WR sets successfully after the Pittsburgh debacle. They weren't paying Sanders $6M/ season to sit on the bench.
Once Davis got significant snaps in week 9 then week 14 on, he contributed about the same or better. Overall his targets, receptions, yards, r/g, y/g are very similar - his y/r was down, but that was mostly YBC, his YAC were higher. Yes, the drop against Jax this year was bad - so was the drop in the Bal playoff game last year.
Basically my take is that he contributed more in 2021 on a per-snap basis to generate similar numbers - he had 73% of the offensive snaps 2020 but only 51% this season.
He's not a 1-game wonder - he's had about 6 really great games. But with a catch % of 56% and the r/g and ypg he has contributed, if that's our #2 WR....ouchie
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photo 45 and 66
Gabe Davis is wearing some kind of torturous "Silence of the Lambs" looking contraption. What is it/what is it for?
photo 16 and 50
Isaiah Mckenzie is holding two poles and doing some kind of leg extention thing with one foot on a slider - what's the purpose of this?
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20 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:
Oops I see. That really sucks
And I don't see how to work around it. @Hapless Bills Fan any idea? If I don't figure something out I will probably just delete that second question since as it is it will skew the results. Hmm
This is way above my pay grade. It's an @SDS question
Sorry!
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4 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:
To be honest, I really hate the idea proposed in the article...and I don’t think it would be smart business for the Bills...
I agree completely. Just wanted to make clear it’s the same source being given new legs.-
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4 minutes ago, Tony P said:
Not sure that work as the material where the grommets are located is usually reinforced.
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On 3/31/2022 at 12:56 PM, Logic said:
Zig is good. I’m not saying this is a lead pipe lock, but it’s also not nothing.
Don’t be surprised if it happens. And for the love of God, let’s not turn this into a Tremaine Edmunds thread!
I just saw another story about the Bills trading up today, which upon inspection traces back to this Zig Fracassi tweet and Ryan Talbot’s subsequent articles.So I figured I’d put it here to keep clear that it’s “old news”
https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/bills-rumors-blockbuster-draft-trade/
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3 hours ago, CapeBreton said:
Came across this interview of AJ Highsmith who is a southern area scout for the Bills. It’s a really long interview from July 2021 (yes, I know it’s old but don’t think it was ever posted here) but there are some good scouting discussions that I found quite interesting.
Here are some of the main things I got from it:
17:41 - while talking about safeties, he mentions they like multi-sport athletes and that the Bills DB coach likes guys who were former baseball players as it helps them with deep ball tracking
Checks out. IIRC both Poyer and Hyde were Star baseball players in HS and I think Poyer in college as well?-
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33 minutes ago, chris heff said:
New York State will be the landlord and receive rent. As a former restaurateur I believe I am qualified to explain the flaw in the argument. When opening a restaurant you can buy real estate or lease retail space. Most restaurants lease space. The build out can be done by the landlord, but that cost will be reflected in the rent. Or the restaurateur can pay for it out of pocket. In either case the capital improvements become the property of the landlord. In the case of the stadium the capital improvements paid for by the Pegulas becomes the property of the county.
Businesses both large and small are regularly given government assistance. That assistance can be in the form of a loan or a tax abatement. The SBA exists to assist small businesses. Some municipalities have been known to provide zero interest loans to help small businesses that they feel will help gentrify a neighborhood. Large businesses get help all the time, for example when the Grand Hyatt at Grand Central Station was built, the developer received a 40 year $400 million tax abatement on the property.
Yep. Can anyone say “TIF”?Edit: I’m not saying the stadium is a TIF, just that government financing of businesses, repaid by taxes, happens all the time and most people don’t even notice
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2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:
lol Mitch
Love this Mitch has a great sense of humor
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Tre’s recovery?
in The Stadium Wall
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I have no idea how credible this is, but here is an article talking about how one factor in whether/how quickly athletes return is that some people are "copers" who can essentially function at a high level without an ACL. The author references research but does not provide links. (He seems to be a PT/movement coach)
Thurman Thomas was probably a "coper"
https://b-reddy.org/a-different-explanation-for-adrian-petersons-amazing-acl-recovery/
Here is a different article talking about a major loss after ACL repair being proprioception (our ability to sense where a limb is in space)
https://www.newsday.com/sports/football/acl-injuries-no-longer-spelling-doom-for-football-careers-x48322