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The "good ones" like Flutie, Bledsoe, vanPelt, .......really? ...............Really?! Does anyone remember Bill Walsh? He was only the complete, ultimate authority on quarterbacks. When Edwards was drafted, he called Marv Levy personally to express his high opinion of Trent. Obviously he saw some type of potential there. I say this is the year Trent turns it around.
HAHAHAHA...oh the Bill Walsh defense again...this is by far my favorite. Lets see how many issues I can come up with this statement in 60 seconds (I literally have a stop watch so pardon any typos):
And GO:
1 Walsh was up in years and quite removed from the current NFL when he gave the endorsement
2 He also thought Drunkenmiller was the future of the 49ers who never made it past QB3
3 He traded up in the draft to get JJ Stokes and called him the "Next Jerry Rice"
4 Like any GM, he is wrong more than he is right...The greatest GMs in football history are all wrong more than they are right, its the quality of players they find when they are right, the value they find in the mid/late rounds, and their ability to find depth
5 He also s....................................................................times up
Crap ran out of time...#4 took too long...lol...doesnt matter, the ones I got out are enough.
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Not fer nuttin, but your avatar is killing me. I can't be on this site when the kids are up.
Fixed
Although, it was mild compared to many on here that it was just a bikini top...but I updated it none the less
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Tim, you will be missed and thanks for actually taking the time to contribute to the rest of us who appreciated the insight and conversation you provided...
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Wow. It must be tough for clean up the city boy to fall so far.
An NFL trades up to the 1st to get him and it is all downhill from there:
- A DB breaks his leg
- He struggles when he plays
- He loses his job to a glove wearing Mary
- He has to start his own league to get playing time
- He gets traded out of his own league to the Raiders.
How low can he go?
- A DB breaks his leg
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(not at your post, at your hopes of this being the last Trent thread)
Good luck with the whole "last thread" on Trent Edwards thing...
Honestly, one of the other QB's (Brohm, Fitz, or Levi) could come in and throw for 400 yards, 3 TD's and no turnovers in a win week 1 and someone will still start a thread about Trent is still the better option.
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All this coming from a guy who said Brohm's college tape (from 2007, mind you) was more relevant than his pre-season ("it's just exhibition!") and regular season ("it was one game!") tape here in the pros. You'll excuse me if I don't quite regard your opinion so highly.
Huh? Did I miss someting? Either you have a skewed memory of what I have said and decided to try and quote me very inaccurately, or you simply are thinking of another poster.
What I have said that a ROOKIE QB's performance in his first preseason is about the dumbest thing to rely on as proof a QB can make it or break it in the NFL...and it goes both ways. Some succes in the preseason doesnt mean it will translate to consistency or the regular season.
Case example 1: Kolb did ok in his preseason games then went out in the regular season and was atrocious in every appearance going into the 2009 where he had 0 TD's and many turnovers.
Its pretty much the consensus most difficult position in team sports to succeed at when playing at the Pro level and has the steepest learning curve going from college to Pros...yet you seem to think his preseason tape in his rookie year where he hardly played is somehow the defining evidence of his ability.
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Lots of good replies, and I get it has a lot to do with expectations, the high profile position of QB, etc. I know all that...
I guess the point that was puzzling to me is that neither was a high draft choice of this organization...neither cost us much...and neither came with any expectations. So, there is just so little risk for this team to give both of these guys a shot yet some people get so animated in slamming Brohm as if our team mortgaged its future to get him or something while being totally positive on Meredith.
And the vast majority of those slams are centered predominantly on him not beating out a 7th rounder (who the Packers are high on) for a back up spot on a team with a top 5 QB as its starter, all the while ignoring the fact Meredith couldnt make the active roster on a team in major need of help at his position.
Like Promo said too...its the offseason, what the hell else do we have to do...
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You are 100 percent correct with this point Alpha. IMO, people are like cattle and their thought process follows suit.
Meredith represents a relatively unfamiliar player, who has potential and is on a path of ascension. At least people really want to believe that. Many fans want to get on the bandwagon and say I had a feeling about that guy.
Brian Brohm represents a very well-known player, who despite his potential has not lived up to the hype yet. It's the hype that makes fans want to get on the bandwagon and say I had a feeling that guy stunk.
It's all about expectations and people's expectations can be based on any number of things. Alot of the time expectations are based on pure crap. Steve Johnson gets praised routinely on TSW and James Hardy gets shredded. What is the major difference between the two so far? Expectations
Brian Brohm is an easy target for the crowds and Jamon Meredith makes for a feel good story. What they have done in the NFL up to this point is comparable.
Yeah, Hardy and Steve Johnson is another good comparison.
Too many people get held up on draft slot as well. Where you were drafted, or even if at all, becomes pretty meaningless once you put the pads on and hit the field.
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There is a very interesting thing going on amongst this board in regards to Brohm and Meredith. There are many posters on here who are just soooo hung up on how Brohm was claimed from the Packers PS and because of that it is evident he will never amount to anything. Then many of those same people turn around and show support for Meredith, who ironically travelled almost the identical path to get to the Bills.
Both are unproven, both have potential...however, Meredith doesnt get bashed nearly as much, in fact barely at all, for being claimed off the Packers PS while Brohm continuously does in heated posts.
So, why does Brohm provoke so much negative emotion from how he got here and not Meredith?
1. Both were highly rated coming out of college
2. Both slipped (Brohm to the 2nd and Meredith to the 5th)
3. Both didnt develop fast enough to hold onto a roster spot in GB
However, Meredith played a position where GB was greatly lacking in, the OL, and Brohm played a position where GB is top 5 in, QB. And lets be real here, the QB position is pretty much the consensus hardest position to play at the Pro level of just about any team sport and has the steepest learning curve. So, its really pretty normal for a young QB to struggle in his first year or two, especially when you are not getting many reps.
Yet, Meredith some how gets a much bigger pass on how he got here even though he couldnt make the active roster of a team who desperately needed help at his position. I just dont understand the reasoning.
I for one like that we have both young prospects who have great upside with little risk given how cheap we were able to get them. But for some reason, many posters on here insist Brohm is nothing more than a 3rd string QB because "he couldnt beat out a 7th rounder" while Meredith doesnt get that same criticism from many of them even though he couldnt make the active roster as even a reserve on a team that needed at lot of help on the OL.
Maybe they both fail, maybe they develop...who knows...but I just dont get the uneven reception of them getting a shot as they both offer a lot of upside at positions of great need on this team.
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The reason you love his conviction is because his manlove for Harrell is just like your manlove for Brian Brohm-saw him in college, loves the stats, etc.
Being realistic, this whole thread is ridiculous. It makes more sense if he's being sarcastic towards all the Brohm supporters.
In that light, let's bring in Timmy Chang! Timmy is around the same age as when Warner emerged.
LOL...lets be clear here for a second...I have not said Brohm is going to be any good or stating he will be our guy long term. I have stood by the stance that I think Brohm brings as much potential to the table as any rookie that was coming out in this draft class not named Bradford. I have stood by the stance that this kid should be given an opportunity to play before we label him a bust given that he wasnt just a college statistical stud. He was a highly regarded prospect with all the tools to potentially succeed at the next level. Timmy Chang he is not...
Will he make it in the NFL...no one knows, but the kid should be given a shot before it is decided that he wont be any good...
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If you read the GB post and filter out the college hero stuff you are left with an awfull QB per GB fan perspective.
Akili Smith anyone?
Just so I am clear here...are you basing your assesment on a few GB fans who barely, and I mean literally barely, saw Brohm at all? He appeared breifly in a few preseason games as a 3rd string QB...I can assure you with full confidence that the absolute worst judge of talent at this point in time would be the opinnion of the fans in GB. Not because of themselves, but because they literally have about the least amount of information to judge him on.
The Packers, who at the time had the most knowledge on Brohm, tried to keep him despite not having room on the roster for him (in the middle of a season where they are thinking SB run) because of a lot of injuries at other positions that needed that roster spot. Several other teams also tried to sign Brohm, but he wanted to go somewhere where there wasnt an entrenched established starter, so he elected to sign with us.
Most importantly though, the fact the GB fans ONLY have mostly his rookie year preseason to really gauge Brohm, they really have the least intelligent understanding of where Brohm is now. Just because a rookie QB doesnt adjust in his first rookie campaign preseason well to the speed of the game does not equal bust...happens ALL THE TIME.
Most recent example...Kolb in Philly prior to this year looked absolutely HORRID in REAL in season games when it counted filling in for McNabb when he was hurt. No TD's and lots of turnovers...now look where he is just after 2 seasons...McNabb is gone and he is the man in Philly because he was able to step in last year and show solid progress (still not a good decision maker yet, but thats to be expected with the little experience he has still).
So, I am sorry, but I dont value the assesment of casual fans who has barely seen the kid play in GB (and are bitter over losing a 2nd round pick for nothing), and most of that was in his rookie preseason, over what our staff sees in him today.
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Thats one of the best Avatars I have seen LeviF91...
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Um, no. Like Alpha, you guys are stuck on a "name", and you associate that "name" to a self opinionated ranking or "value".
And since the Bills went after such a "highly ranked" QB, you assume the ONLY reason the Bills went after said QB was due to the QB being so "highly ranked".
Then you turn around and justify your argument by declaring since the Bills did NOT draft a QB earlier in the draft, it only makes sense they are truly comfortable with who they already have.
Let me apply your train of thought to a different position. Since the Bills did NOT draft a LT, nor did they acquire one via trade or free agency, then it must mean the Bills are truly comfortable with who they have at that position. Correct?
Except Nix/Gailey did state, before the draft, the LT (and the QB) position was a problem that needed to be addressed. But they wanted starters, and they were not going to overpay to acquire them. They also said all the problems were not going to be addressed in one year.
And the failure of the Bills to acquire players to fill those positions is NOT necessarily a hearty endorsement of the players they already have, but more of an admittance nobody else has met their criteria.
Again, it's not about McNabb, it's about the Bills trying to acquire a starting QB.
If the Bills were truly comfortable about Brohm, Edwards, or Fitzpatrick starting, they would not be wasting time trying to acquire one.
Obviously we are not going to be in agreement here...but hey, thats what a message board is all about and I commend you for keeping it about the topic and sticking with points you feel are valid as our side has done the same. For that sir, you get a beer
In terms of the topic of discussion, we clearly see things differently...some others see it the way I see it, and others see it the way you see it...however, the biggest leaks in your ship are:
1. Nix and Gailey have both publicly stated exactly what we are saying.
2. They chose to pass on the top 5 QB's in this draft, even when getting them late presented little risk and high value
3. They passed on stealing Campbell from Washington for a mid pick 2 years from now
4. They didnt attempt to pursue any of the other top FA or available QB's and only went after the only ELITE QB available
So, while you keep hanging your hat solely on the fact we went after McNabb, you are choosing to ignore these very apparent holes in your side of this...
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Damn! The Bills shoulda grabbed this guy last season - he'll be an All-Pro in w/in 3 years.
LOL...I love the conviction Senator...just think it lies with the wrong player...
I dont mean to rain on the parade, but he definitely will not make the active roster...PS maybe, but not one of the 3 active QB's.
1. McCoy isnt going anywhere obviously.
2. DelHomme was just signed for a sizeable contract and most certainly starts the season as a starter as Holmgren doesnt want McCoy starting week 1.
3. Seneca Wallace is a very good backup and a Mike Holmgren guy who he traded for. Delhomme isnt going to be in Cle for more than a year or two, especially with McCoy there and Seneca was brought in to be a quality #2 which he is. No way they cut him this year...
Thats 3 QB's and no room for your boy outside of the PS.
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While you're at it, can you help Alphadouche7 spell "rediculous"?
LMAO...Hey "John Cocksmall", are you really giving a spelling lesson after the countless incoherent gibberish posts you have made (which have plenty of their own errors)
Is this how you compensate for your name? Make you feel like a "bigger" man to puff your chest over a word spelled wrong on a sports message board to help validate your pointless posts?
LOL...you go right ahead if you need that to "float your boat"...just let me know when you actually make a valid post on here and we'll talk then...
This thread is hilarious...Spelling and grammer lessons on a sports message board...classic, now I have seen it all
PS: To the OP: Sometimes the correct use of the word is "core" and you are misunderstanding the use of the word. If you are talking about the group collectively = corps...if someone is saying we have a great "core" of such and such, they could mean a solid group of guys inside the collective group they are referring too...so its not always used wrong. For example: We have a great RB corps...We have a great core of LB's to build on (referring to some solid guys inside the group of LB's)...there is a distinct difference and each has its own application...
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It's not about McNabb. YOU think the name is relevant because YOU place such a high value on McNabb.
I'll post this in the simplest form possible. It is NOT about the Bills going after QB xxxxx, it's about the Bills going for a QB. Period.
How would you feel if you found if the Bills went after Campbell?
Go back and read Red's post #50. He gets it more than you do.
Thats just it...it is about the name MCNABB...dont you get that? They did NOT pursue the other average at best QB's that were available like Campbell, Vick, Bulger, Delhomme, Garcia, etc, etc...they ONLY went out and tried to acquire a TOP 10 QB who is not only a clear substantial upgrade over an unproven QB, but also an upgrade over about 75% of the starters in this league...
How is ths so complicated for you? I mean the FO cant be any clearer on this...they passed up Campbell for dirt cheap, Cluassen, McCoy, LeFevoru, Pike, etc, etc many times even when there was great value in where they could have gotten them on draft day. Clearly, they feel they were not significant upgrades over the potential we have in our QB's on this roster. Nix has even publicly stated that he did not feel any of the QB's outside of Bradford had the same potential as Brohm...
Come on man...this isnt that complicated. I mean, obviously a top 10 QB gives an a better chance to win, but that does not indicate they dont think Brohm can develop into a good QB in this league. I guarantee you that if we had gotten McNabb, Trent would have likely seen the door over Fitz, Brohm would be the guy groomed to replace him in 3 years (and if he didnt show improvement, another young guy would be drafted next year or the year after), and Fitz would be most likely kept as a backup.
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Problem was that "hot" start was not overly "hot" to begin with.
4 games, 4 TDs.
The Bills went 4-0 because the teams they played were crappy.
Hey look, something we totally agree on...lmao.
Yeah, his play in the 4-0 start was poor in big chunks of those games with Sea being the only game he played solid in.
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You and Alpha should not be focusing on the name "McNabb". The name of the QB is irrelevant. I mentioned McNabb because he was the only QB that was considered to be starting quality, in that he could come to Buffalo and start immediately.
The point was the Bills attempted to sign a QB to be the starter. If the Bills were really comfortable with who they already had, they would not be willing to sign another QB.
Come on man...this is so rediculous...NO GM ON EARTH WOULD HAVE CHOSEN AN UNPROVEN QB TO START THE SEASON OVER MCNABB. This is by far your craziest and stupidest argument against how the staff feels about Brohm. McNabb is a top 10 talent, and if you can get him for your team when you have no proven starter, you do so. That is NO, and I repeat, NOOOOO, indication of how the staff feels about the potential of their young guys.
I don't have an issue with your doubts in Brohm, its all opinnion and discussion, but this one you keep bringing up about McNabb is just silly...
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The funny thing is, the fans in GB didn't cut him, the coaching staff did. I put stock in their point of view. Apparently they thought he offered nothing after only one year.
I love how some over simplify what really went down in GB. The tunnel vision some people on here is astonishing, especially given how cheap Brohm is for us compared to his potential and how this is a total win win for the Buffalo Bills. It gives us a chance of developing a franchise guy who is first round talented with little financial commitment while we draft and develop players at our other many many holes. There is very LITTLE risk here and potential for a big reward.
GB and Brohm:
1 GB placed him on PS because they couldnt carry 3 active QB's given needs at other positions, and when you are a SB contender you have to do what gives you the best chance to win, and carrying 3 QB's while remaining thin at another area of need is not what teams concerned about winning do.
2 Flynn is much better than posters who only know big names give him credit for
3 GB loves Flynn
4 Flynn and Brohm were drafted together and one needed to backup Rodgers immediately and they felt Flynn adjusted faster to the speed of the game
5 Several teams came into grab Brohm off he PS, but he chose us because we offered the best chance to compete since we didnt have an entrenched starter
6 GB hoped to stash him there and then offered him a contract to be on the active roster despite not having room for him just to keep him when teams came in to grab him
7 GB said they had never seen a player pick up the play book as fast as he did
8 Brohm was highly productive in a pro style system
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1. This coming year will be Brohm's third year in the NFL. When the Bills snagged him, Brohm was NOT a rookie.
2. People on this board watch preseason games so they can see how players are doing. Are you assuming Packer fans do not?
3. People on THIS board are passing judgment on Brohm based on a SINGLE SOLITARY game. Yet, somehow those Bills fans know more than the Packer fans?
This is another area where I think you are missing the boat...some casual fans on here who know nothing of Brohm outside of Buffalo may be doing this, but the ones who have supported his acquisition from the get go are basing their desires to see him play based on his potential, not the one game against Atl.
And as far as brohm in preseason...he barely played...you act like he got 3 quarters of work each game. And this last year, he wasnt getting any reps with the first and second units as the two guys ahead of him were entrenched at QB1 and QB2...
I have several Packer fan friends, and they all say the same thing. They didnt get to see enough of him and wished they would have kept him because they hated losing a 2nd round pick for literally nothing.
And I dont understand with your fascination with putting so MUCH emphasis on a QB's development in his first 1 and half years in the league, especially one who never got any real experience on the field to develop and adjust to the speed of the game.
I don't care what argument you come up with, there isnt any logical point you can make that will convince me that this staff doesnt currently know more than GB about where Brohm is right now than where he was last off season.
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Isn't this what we've been doing for the last 5 seasons? Plug in the guy that gives us the best chance to win now (Fitz) and let's try to win more games than we lose this year.
I saw an NFL Films thing the other day and a guy was in the stands with a sign that read "We are on the 18th year of our 5 year rebuilding program". I can relate.
I can respect where you are coming from, we are all tired of rebuiliding. However, being tired of rebuilding doesnt change the fact that we are rebuilding in essence. This team is very young at many skill positions and is being retooled by a new staff in new schemes and requires new personnel. So, as frustrated as we all are, plugging in Fitz to hope to squeak another win or two out (which I am not even sure he could get us the most wins of our 3 QB's) doesnt make sense unless he shows the promise to be our long term guy. Lets face it, he isnt leading us to the playoffs at this point.
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I want Brohm to start but the thing is we don't really have time to develop a Qb. We need one now. Hopefully he can do it.
Not quite sure what you mean by this...I mean who ever has time to develop a QB in todays win now NFL? And, this is a rebuilding team under a new regime, if there ever was a text book example of when to develop a QB, then the 2010 Bills would be that example.
We are a young team across the board, have a new regime, have made the playoffs in forever, and lots of young players with promise who have yet to really get on the field to show what they can do...this is the perfect year to try and develop a QB...
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alrite guys... I am a fantasy addict... live it. love it. can;t get enough of it...
post your top 5 picks in order you would select them... and then for the Bills twist add which Bills player would would select first and in which round.
*** I am aware and expect MANY "No Bills, in any round" calls... or an Andre Reed throwback... but lets giv'er hell.
1) C Johnson
2) Ray Rice
3) AP
4) MJD
5) A Rodgers
Bills: CJ Spiller on a 8-9th round flier. Perhaps earlier pendind on my RB situation at that given point.
You didnt provide enough information to determine the top 5...you need to know if its also a points per reception leauge too. I wont even play in a league anymore that doesnt have a points per reception scoring system. The reason being, its way more challenging and allows you to find value. It makes all the positions more balanced in terms of scoring.
So, if it is PPR, then AJ has to be in the top 5. I think I would go CJ, AP, MJD, Rice, AJ...QB's are deep and the kind of production Rodgers can put up can be found in Brees, Manning, Brady, Favre, and even Romo...so, even though I think Rodgers is the first or second best QB, there are several not far off from him which to me decreases his value.
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Amazing - two weeks ago you were clamoring, "OMFG, the Bills MUST draft an elite QB (specifically Clausen) or we are DOOOOOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!", and now, in one of the fastest 'about-faces' I've ever seen on TSW, you're a Brohm fan!
Meanwhile, the incredibly prescient Senator was probably the very first on TSW to proclaim that the Bills will eschew a high-round, high-priced, unproven college QB (and probable lengthy holdout) and put their future in Brohm's hands...
Link 1 - The Incredibly Prescient Senator
Link 2 - More Senatorial Prescience
Anyway, welcome aboard - nice to have you on the Bills/Brohm Bandwagon!
BTW - don't know specifically how Nix had him ranked, but here's what College Football News said about BB prior to the '08 draft...
Brian Brohm, QB Louisville - The brother of former New York Jet Jeff Brohm was groomed to be a pro passer. He's as NFL ready as any quarterback prospect having been a star for his entire career. The pressure was on from day one to produce, and he did. He's not the greatest athlete and his arm is just average, but he can make the throws needed. The big issue will be his durability. While he's an abnormally quick healer, he suffered a few major injuries throughout his career and can't be counted on for a full 16-game NFL slate. He took his lumps in a disappointing senior season, at least for Louisville, and that could be a good thing; he never quit on his team during a dud year. CFN Projection: Late First Round
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LOL...I think I was the first to tell everyone we would not take a QB this year in the first half of the draft, if at all, because we already had a promising prospect in Brohm and it wouldnt make sense until we knew for sure what he could do...
There...battle lines drawn...not lets fight over who was first...lmao
Brohm VS Meredith
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yeah, society seems to rally more for the underdog and pile on a fall from grace...
Although, if you think about it...aren't they both underdogs at this point?