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I know he isn't listed as a rookie but you got to understand what I am saying... I'd fine with a pole with brohm or brown. I also would like either I am just comparing the vets because they have more to go on... We have watched them play many NFL games.
First, off I dont know what this sentence in bold is supposed to say, it makes no sense.
More importantly, you were inclined to put Fred Jackson on this poll yet left off Brohm who has one start, 2 years in the NFL adjusting to the speed, and more playing time thus far in Gaileys offense than Fitz or Trent since he was at the rookie camp? I just dont get that...I get that you feel Brohm in terms of playing time on the field is close to rookie level experience, but he really is not. So why classify him as a rookie in your poll then list Fred Jackson? I mean I am more likely to start at QB for the Bills than Fred Jackson, so its pointless.
As far as which "vet" would I prefer, I would have to say Trent. I don't think he is cut out to be a starter in this league, has terrible field vision, no confidence, a weak arm (see Josh Reeds comments on how his deep throws have the same velocity of his short throws), terribly inaccurate when going down field, puts too much air under the ball, has terrible pocket presence, and is injury prone...that being said, with Gaileys track record of making below average QB's serviceable, I think Trent could progress more than Fitz under him.
Fitz to me was the more effective starter last year, but I think he has very little upside above what he has shown.
All of this is a mute point anyway, as I really do think Brohm will be the starter this year because he has the most upside of any QB on the roster, and given his very little playing time he has not had the chance to become shell shocked or develop bad habits like checking down at the first sign of a pass rush...
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I love how people bash Whitner on this board.
It is not his fault for being drafted number 8 overall, it was a dumb move by our then F.O., yet all the blame falls on him.
He may not be the best player at his position but hes a damn good leader and one of the only guys to show any type of emotion last year(Crying after a heartbreaking loss, takling the Oakland receiver in the endzone for showboating). Not to mention one of the nicest, down to earth football players you will ever meet, and a great community guy, no thug.
Plus do people actually stop and think that this will have a negative effect on free agency, or any player signing with the Bills in teh future. If he goes somewhere else, and a player from his new team is coming for a visit here and Donte is asked about his time here, the first things that will come up, the disrecpect the fans showed him.
People need to stop and think, or atlesast show a little respect. Just my $.50
^^^What he said^^^
I love the hypocracy on here like you said...I guarantee every poser (yes, I intentionally left out the "t" in that word) on here would giggle in excitement if they met him in person and would want an autograph and picture with him.
His biggest flaw was being drafted #8 overall for a team who's fan base was clamoring for Ngata. Thats not his fault, but he is hated on as if he had something to do with it other than have a stellar college career.
More importantly, Whitner has way more value to this team than most bone heads seem to think. Like you said, he is a great leader on this defense and plays with a tremendous amount of passion, something this team sorely has lacked. More importantly, he is a better player than casual fans who just check INT stats seem to think. In fact, he is regarded as a top 10 safety in this league by just about everyone in the league.
His stats, for the peeps who are obsessed with them, suffer because of the glaring holes and terrible scheme we have had on our defense since he has been a part of this team. Is he the best safety in the league, no, but he is pretty good and I look for bigger things from him this year.
So pull the sand out of asses already and get over that the FRONT OFFICE chose him over Ngata and accept he is the leader of our defense and has more to offer this team than what he was forced to do because of the holes and terrible scheme...
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WTF is up with this? I didnt see this posted on here and was shocked when I saw this. I dont have a problem with those who still voted for Cushing, but to take your vote away and now give it to him after a positive test is just astonishing...found this in fannation on SI.com
07:06 AM ET 05.13 | With Pittsburgh Post-Gazette writer Ed Bouchette changing his re-vote to Brian Cushing, a valid question is why. Interestingly, and somewhat inexplicably, one reporter (Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette) changed his vote from Byrd to Cushing. I reached out to Bouchette to see what was behind his 'outside the box' vote but he didn't elaborate beyond "they asked me to re-vote and I re-voted." I'm guessing it may have been some form of protest over having a re-vote in the first place. And I'm guessing his inbox is full of emails like mine asking the same question. Not that his was a swing vote or anything - it was just something that stuck out in the tally.
Houston Texans Examiner
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Is it me, or do Bills fans just not have a clue to who Ray Rice is? I swear, I have seen a bunch of scenarios of Bills fans who want us to trade Lynch for Gaither when the Ravens have one of the best young RB's in the league and a ton of depth behind him.
Its just like the trade down pleas every year before the draft with people just saying we should have traded down...it takes 2 to tango and it needs to make sense for both teams.
So, to the OP...can you please explain why on Earth this would be a deal that Baltimore would want? What value does it give them to pick up a RB, which they absolutley dont need and wouldnt touch the ball more than 10 times a game, for a premium up and coming LT? If you took the 3 seconds to ask yourself this question, you would have went..."
...duh, no wonder this lopsided trade hasn't happened yet, because its totally stupid for Baltimore to make it" and saved yourself the time you spent posting this...There should be some kind of proposed trade template for posters that requires them to answer why for both sides of the trade before the system allows the post to make it up on the board...
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I didnt say that...I said people are quoting things said about Brohm as if they were said about Brown in various threads on here...and you are not taking into consideration the 3 video reports either...
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To answer the question - Fitzpatrick is way too inaccurate to be a pro QB. Trent has shown average ability with the long ball. We don't know much about Brohm and Brown but Brown was reported as having a nice deep ball in the first practice this past weekend. I think Brown will prove to have the best arm of the bunch.
Now, there was just a post about not having enough time to throw a deep route anyway - and I wonder, if we were to get Gaither, then all of a sudden our line goes from bad to good - potentially really good. If we got Gaither, I'd love to see Wood moved to center. That would be one formidable left side - Gaither, Levitre, Wood, ?, and Wang? If Wang can play RT, or Bell, or whomever. I think Wood, healthy, would be just what we need against the Nose tackles in our division.
Actually, the reports abotu the pretty deep ball this week are about Brohm and not Brown as much...people need to go back and read the reports. I keep seeing people on here quoting statements in the reports about Brohm as if they are about Brown.
Brohm thus far seems to be poised for the better deep ball, but honestly, its way too early to tell and the deep ball is overraed anyway. The deep ball is as over rates as the super long drive in golf. Yeah, it can be big in the few occassions they occur, but the bread and butter is the medium and short game...
Trent and Fitz have shown to be very poor at the medium game and that is where I think Brohms accuracy and lively arm will seperate himself from the 3...
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This hasn't been rumored anywhere except in my noggin;
Buffalo gets Jared Gaither and WR's Demetrius Williams and Justin Harper and a sixth round pick.
Ravens get Donte Whitner, Marshawn Lynch and and Ashton Youboty.
Jared Gaither is an obvious need and I read somewhere that Gailey likes big fast receivers. Williams is 6'2" with decent speed (4.5 forty out of college) and Justin Harper is 6'3" with decent speed too. (4.56 forty coming out of college).
Baltimore is loaded at receiver and can afford to lose them;
The Baltimore Ravens are deeper at wide receiver this year than they have been in years, possibly ever, and they probably won't carry more than five receivers on their active roster entering the season, reports Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun. WRs Demetrius Williams, Marcus Smith and Justin Harper will have to fight to make the team's final roster.
These are from the ESPN Insider on Gaither, Williams and Harper;
Comment: Gaither is a young, ascending player and the Ravens' starting left tackle. He has tremendous size, particularly with his extreme height and overall length, to man the blind side. However, there are times when his high center of gravity is used against Gaither. Gaither remains a work in progress but is a punishing finisher in Baltimore's power blocking scheme. As he gains experience, his hand placement and understanding of his opponent will improve.
Comment: He (Williams) is a good athlete with good size and speed. He has good lateral quickness to slip jams and a long stride to eat up ground once upfield. He accelerates well for his size and is flexible enough to sink his hips and get in and out of breaks. He shows good speed running vertically with the ability to stretch the defense. He can reduce the cushion quickly when defenders play off. He can also use his speed to get over the top versus man-to-man. He does a good job using stutter moves or bending routes and once the defender sits, he accelerates by him. He has good hands with long arms to adjust to the ball outside the frame. He will give good effort to make the tough catch, but he doesn't secure the ball quickly consistently. He needs to get stronger. He has good physical tools and athletic ability, but was plagued with injuries last year.
This is on Harper;
Comment: Harper is a long-strider who takes too long to get to full speed. His top-end speed is just ordinary as well. But, Harper does have great height and can go up and get the ball at its highest point. He also knows how to use his big frame to keep defenders off the ball. Getting off the line of scrimmage remains a problem that he must work on going forward.
Williams has been a disappointment in Baltimore is coming off injuries Harper is going to have a hard time making their team and probably will in Buffalo but he has experience and despite ordinary speed can compete for a job in camp. The Bills need WR's and can afford to lose Whitner and Lynch.
Marshawn Lynch makes sense for Baltimore because McGahee's salary jumps to 3.6 million this year and Lynch's salary is 885,000.
Whitner makes sense because Ed Reed is coming off an injury is likely to miss at least part of training camp.
Youboty makes sense because the cRavens need CB's.
Whatcha think?
No offense, but this proposal sucks IMO...firt off, you would rather have a couple of WR's in danger of being cut instead of Lynch, Whitner, and Youboty just to save one 2nd round pick? Lynch and Whitner have more value to this team than a 2nd round pick.
If we can get Gaither and keep them both by simply giving up a 2nd round pick, then why on earth wouldnt you do that and keep 2 solid players on your team?
Nothing about this makes any sense at all, especailly since we are deep with young WR's with upside...
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As someone who taught at Stanford -- including Stanford football players -- let's just say that I strongly disagree with your assessment, both with regard to admissions generally and with regard to Trent's admittance specifically. I don't recall if Trent was his high school's valedictorian, but he did graduate with a 3.9 gpa and scored an 1130 on his SATs.
That said, I do share your reservations about Trent as the starting QB for the Bills.
I didnt mean any dissrespect to Stanford, a school I strongly respect and almost went to. But, I can attest that I have a few close friends who played ball at Stanford who are not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed and will be the first to tell you personally. They over came their academic short comings with incredible hard work, but they are not what they would call naturally intellectual.
My only point is that a highly recruited football player such as Trent, isnt necessairly going to be "smarter" than others just because he went to Stanford. Lets be real, you dont have to me smarter than everyone else to achieve in school if you put the work in.
None of this is really relevent anyway in a discussion about intelligence on a football field. High IQ doesnt equate to high game IQ in the NFL anyway. And low IQ doesnt mean you are not a smart NFL player on game day either...And Trent has shown very poor decision making thus far and has shown very very poor field vision thus far. So, he could rival Stephen Hawking on an IQ test for all I care, its his game smarts that are relevant here and he has been lacking thus far through his career. Maybe he puts it all together, who knows, just going off what he has shown on the field thus far.
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The guy went to Stanford.... the lack of brains comment is ridiculous. In fact really stupid on your part. Have an opinion on him as a player and his physical ability but don't call him stupid. Oklahoma comes up a little short in regards to comparing it to Stanford as an academic institution. Seriously, think before you write. Don't they teach that in Norman, OK. ?
LOL...the Stanford argument again...I played college ball, and in the Pac 10...I can personally assure you that some of the people on the Stanford football program are about as smart as my dog Kobe. That is true for any football program though. The point is, Trent was brought in on a football scholarship and did not have to meet the same academic requirements it would take for Joe Nobody off the street to get accepted into Stanford...The fact he played for Stanford equates to nothing when you are a top recruit.
Does it mean Trent is dumb...of course not...but it also doesnt mean his intelligence is automatically higher than everyone else just because he was highly recruited for FOOTBALL. However, his personal IQ is not what matters, its his FOOTBALL IQ which has consistently shown to be poor as he is a very poor decision maker and is has terrible field vision.
So, let go of the Stanford connection...it means nothing in the NFL.
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Video is up...looks pretty good, Brohm looked good and so did some of our young pass catchers...
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I read the article in the Buffalo News, I must have missed the ad lib's per Rotoworld:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL
"There's not a first or a third right now," Gailey said. "We're going to go to camp with it being an open deal. To me anybody has a chance to win the job. It's not just lip service." Brian Brohm threw a slew of interceptions at Friday's practice, but he's the only "veteran" QB currently in camp, giving him something of a head start. The Bills' passing game is going to stink this year.
LOL...read the report from camp, it actually spoke positively on Brohm...here is a clip...the only INTs they reference were 2 by McKelvin, one was what sounded like an outstanding play by McKelvin and the other a mis timed play...
At quarterback Brohm was accurate for the most part and threw mostly short to intermediate range passes. Brown tried to stretch the field more and throws a nice looking long ball. His arm looked lively in the first practice session.
McKelvin had two off Brian Brohm. The first was a short pass near the middle of the field, but McKelvin reached around and underneath Marcus Easley to come up with the INT. Later in practice McKelvin made his second interception as the timing appeared off between Brohm and Felton Huggins on a pass play down the near sideline.
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is taking 2nd team snaps…behind 6th round pick Danny Batten and undrafted free agent Antonio Coleman.
Many people here are hopeful and/or predicting that Maybin will experience instant success as a rush linebacker in our new 3-4 scheme.
He was our first round draft pick last year.
Snide "bust" comments notwithstanding, isn't this more than a bit alarming that Maybin is taking snaps behind a 6th round draft pick and an undrafted free agent?!?!?
Maybe they're trying to light a fire under his ass. Either that or they think more highly of the other two players. There's not too many possible explanations out there.
Way too early to tell anything...
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And just one quick thing on the so called experts and mock drafters. If any of them were any good or worth a dam at all, they would be employed for a lot more money by the NFL teams...
Mock drafts are about as accurate as Dick Chaney after a bottle Yukon Jack on a hunting trip. HYPE...yes HYPE is what makes mock drafts...HYPE is where your grades come from...HYPE is where these experts make their money talking about players...and HYPE is why its all BS until these guys hit the field.
Go back and look at all the spots these guys do prior to each draft and during the draft...they miss, and miss big, constantly on their evaluations. Every year they bash or hype up selections just to be constantly proven wrong. Kiper, McShay, etc are just a bunch of on air time fillers to get ratings during the draft. Do they provide interesting and educating insight on players coming out, sure, but thats where their value and accuracy ends.
They dont know anymore about the interest of the FO of teams than the casual fans do...they dont know which guys technique the FO feels they can adjust, coach up, or fit into their scheme best. They dont know squat is the bottom line, they just make some fun educated guesses and allow fans to pile on the low grades or jump on the band wagon of the bad grades.
Perfect example...I said all offseason we would NOT draft a QB mid round or above because we have Brohm who is just as good a prospect that hasnt had a shot yet. However, all you heard from the pundits was how we would take Claussen, Tebow, McCoy, etc because we desperately needed a QB DESPITE having Brohm who was the very guy whos jock they were on just 2 years ago and many said would be the starter in GB after he was drafted within 2 years, if not that year. Then the FO came and did just that, roll with Brohm and company this year first before we waste a good pick on a QB. Shows how much the pundits knew...
So, I could care less about the grade we have right now...what I look at is how I feel about the players we got, and I really like the players we got and the way this FO is taking this team. Will it work out, we will see, but right now to give a grade is literally just mindless entertainment and nothing to get worked up about.
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Please do not call our RB corp the best of anything. Your remark reminds me of those idiots that proclaimed our WRs the best in the league prior to a game being played last year. Our RBs and running game are marginal until they can show they can close out and win a tough game when we are behind. I have not seen that happen in years. Just because our RBs and DBs are the only solid part of this team it does not mean they are anywhere near the best in the league. They are just the better parts of a sordid, pathetic team. Take off the rose colored glasses and get ef'in real. Freddy is capable but ranks around 20 to 25th among starting backs. Lynch is a punk that quit last year and quit again this off season. Yet you call him part of the best RB backfields? Spiller has never carried the ball, he could easily be like Reggie Bush who takes three years to develop and still isn't a starter. I am so sick of you guys who think the Bills make the playoffs by only looking at the players on the Bills and completely forget that the other teams (1) ended the season with better teams than ours (2) signed more and better FAs ( 3) had drafts that addressed immediate team needs (4) have better coaching (5) have franchise QBs and (6) are not making wholesale changes to their teams and schemes. Yet in spite of all that we must be better than they are because we did not follow the logic of solidifying our offensive line and / or getting a franchise QB.
What does any of this have to do with the topic on hand or my original post other than some rant about how putrid you view our team
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So, we would have had an overwieght and unmotivated NT, a prima donna QB who is rumored to already pissed his teammates off, and just 1 30 year old RB instead of the best offensive player in the draft, one of the best RB corps in the league (if not the best) and the perfect NT for our system...
ROFLMAO on how that takes us to an "A" instead of a "C"
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Um, 'you, alone'????
Where were you on Pearl Harbor Day last year?LOL...ah, late to the party...I was supporting Brohm in multiple threads in November, where were you Senator...lol
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Per the Bills website:
http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2010/05/06/n...g-this-weekend/
Here is the rundown of first and second-year players on the Bills roster that are expected to participate in the team’s rookie minicamp this weekend.
On offense
Brian Brohm
Christian Gaddis
Nick Hennessey
Felton Huggins
Steve Johnson
Andy Levitre
Walter Mendenhall
Jamon Meredith
Shawn Nelson
Andre Ramsey
Jonathan Stupar
Jason Watkins
Defense
Reggie Corner
Jon Corto
Rashaad Duncan
Chris Ellis
Marlon Favorite
Cary Harris
Lonnie Harvey
Ellis Lankster
Ryan Manalac
Aaron Maybin
Leodis Mckelvin
Lydell Sargeant
I put the ones in bold that I think are most interesting on this list. Some are a given as to why (Borhm, Maybin, Johnson, Nelson, Levitre, McKelvin), but there are a few others I like on here and want to see if they can put a nice off season together.
Reggie Corner - He has shown some potential in the past, would love to see if this guy can step up and get in the rotation.
Cary Harris - I liked this kid in college, he was a player (of course that doesnt mean squat in the NFL). I think he could be a good ST player and maybe have an outside chance of being a backup DB.
Ellis Lankster - I think this kid could add a lot of value to ST and has sleeper potential to be an effective DB as well. I would love to see him make the active roster and get on the field.
Chris Ellis - Make or break time for him...it would be great if he could step up and be solid depth for us in our front 7.
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Big thanks to the mods (even the one I am not particulary fond of...lol
) for running such a great board. There isnt even another board I go to of any kind, just this one. Being self employed I pretty much have the time to do whatever each day, and within that time I always make a stop here at this board and often several times in a day. Its pratically become part of my morning routine that starts with a quick check on the market and my portfolio, then my email, and then TSW. This is usally followed by breakfast and a cup of coffee (with Baileys in it...if you havent had your coffee with Baileys in it you are missing out
) before I get back on the computer for round 2 of checking my email and this board.My girl thinks its funny that I get on here so much, but then again she checks her facebook almost as much. Being out here in Southern California, I dont really have any sources for Bills news unless its a major move covered by national media (like TO being signed, Jauron being fired, etc). So, this is really my only source for info on the Bills. So thank you for such a great site, I look forward to the improvements and cant wait to see them.
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Love all the Brohm love now!!
but where were you all while I alone repeatedly called for Brohm's shot to start???
Are the Lefavour lovers going to follow his career in Chicago; what about the McCoy fans in Cleveland?
or McNabb in DC?
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LOL...you werent alone...a lot of us have been, just that we were in the minority before. Now that the FO and staff have shown a vote of confidence in the potential in these guys others have opened up to the idea too.
Only time will tell if it works out, but I can't see any negative reason not to give the kid a shot given how little we have invested in him and the upside he brings to the table.
Little risk, Big reward potential is always a win win for a team...Merdith is another low risk, big reward kind of guy too...
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Those that are a little more familiar with Brohm....is this guy mobile, does he like to run ?
I can only recall the Louisville days and he was a accurate good throwing quarterback at that level just curious if he's a statue or like to run
He is Tom Brady kind of mobile (and NOOOO, I am not comparing him to Brady or saying he is as good in the pocket as Brady...just using Brady as a reference to the TYPE of mobility Brohm has)...What I mean is that Brady isnt the kind of guy that you worry about scrambling down field, but he is mobile in the pocket and has a good sense of the rush.
That was what Brohm was able to do in college...he isnt going to rip off a 10 yard run at will, but he did have good pocket mobility, and in his last season he was often scrambling for his life at Louisville as their line wasnt very good...something I am sure he will be experiencing here until this line can pull together and someone can step up and man the LT spot.
So no, he isnt a runner, but he deomstrated good pocket presence in college, so hopefully that pocket mobility can be something he can bring to this level as he is going to need it until this line solidifies.
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Most telling part of the article and his one game here...this is how crappy the situation was for him...
Eager to absorb his new playbook as quickly as possible, Brohm quickly discovered he’d be on his own with that task.
“Coming in and getting settled was fairly difficult just because of the number of coaches that were still available to me,” Brohm said. “Coach Van Pelt did everything he could, but he was the offensive coordinator and the quarterbacks coach. We didn’t have a separate quarterback coach so there was really no individual time that I could steal away from him because he was working on game plans. So there was a lot of watching film on my own and studying the playbook on my own and trying to get up to speed as quickly as possible.”
I wanted us to draft Brohm when he slipped to the 2nd round...then I was calling for us to sign Brohm in the preseason when GB initially cut him and put him on the PS...I also said he was brought in to compete this year for the job when we got him mid season...I have also said he has the most upside and will start the season as the starter IMO...
So, its no secret I think he has a lot of upside and not only can, but will eventually win the starting job here. This article just further solidifies that belief for me. He may struggle or never develop into a good starter...but thats a possibility for any prospect. But at this point, I am really high on his potential and think this kid will put in the time to get his game where it needs to be.
The good news is that if he does falter this year, next years QB class looks like its going to be pretty strong.
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Personally, I did not frequent the TG threads, mostly because posts of interest to me were to far apart and the thread mostly was made up of TSW posters. But I get the value he brings to the board, and regardless of your intent, he took offense. I for one do not think Leonidas should apologize for his opinnion, but I do think an apology of how he handled it, carried on about it, and presented it to a guest gracious enough to take the time to be here is in order.
His opinnion is what it is, we all have one, and they all differ. People like to hide behind intent to shake off responsibility. Just because your intent was not to run off TG doesn't excuse the fact that TG, a guest of the board, did take offense to your way of being.
But, I sense you can't put your ego aside and just own up to the fact that you were abrasive to the point that a valued poster on here took offense to it. Again, don't apologize for your opinnion, but a simple apology for the abrasive manner you took with a highly regarded guest is in order.
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You want childishness? No one's even brought up the role of the apology in all this.
The bottom line is that in any community most of the members will occasionally have moments of pure, idiotic, boorish behavior. And a small set of the members (say on the order of 5%) will simply be idiotic, boorish !@#$wits. That's just life. Having such behavior inflicted on oneself is, unfortunately, unavoidable. The solution isn't to discuss decorum, it's to forgive the momentary lapses and beat the living hell (figuratively speaking) out of the !@#$wits until they learn better. But it helps, quite a bit, when the people who momentary lapse actually step up to the plate and say "sorry, my bad".
hmmmm...sounds familiar to me...lol
I can attest to this...even some of the better posters have allowed themselves to stoop to the level of the lower quality posters on here and egadge in an on going exchange, myself included. After a while, sometimes the idiotic just start to wear down your patience (southgeorgiabillsfan, billsfan=pain, etc come to mind), especially when it starts to hijack a thread or they start 10 threads to make the same BS point. I have had to own to up to that before and had to issue such an apology. There were a handful of posters that just brought out the worst in me between the garbage they post, constant attacks on posters, or just flat posts of the absurd (mostly during the Trent Edwards is the greatest phase this board went through).
The I think the important thing to remember is if you find yourself engaged with one of the nits on here, that you just keep it to football and the topic. For the most part, if you keep it to football, then the other posters at least can get value out of it and participate in the discussion. And if you do get sucked in, take a step back, own up to it, and move on...
Levi Brown - odds stacked against him
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Adding in Romo, Warner, Delhomme, Moon, Garcia, etc that you forgot and this is a pretty impressive list considering we are talking about later rounders and UDFA's. In fact, this list actuall completely counter argues your point...some of these QB's were at one point Pro Bowlers, HOF's, Top 15, and top 10 in the league at points of their careers.
At some point in their careers, these guys were considered top 10 in the league (some even considered the best then)
Warner, Romo, Brady, Moon, Gannon, Hasselbeck
At some point these guys were considered to be pretty good and made some Pro Bowls and won some SB's:
Bulger, Brooks, Garrard, Flutie, Rypien, Green, Brunell (some of these guys had top 10 seasons too)
These guys were not great, but they were solid through parts of their careers too:
Peete, Blake, Grbac, Cassel, Orton, DA (Cassel and Orton are still young, but have had at least a solid season, and DA did have a Pro Bowl year in his somewhat young career too).
So, considering the list is compiled of late round picks and UDFA's, it actually contains a lot of talent, including 3 guaranteed HOF's, MVP's, SB MVP's, Pro Bowlers, and guys who had solid careers.