Captain Caveman

NOW!!!

Ok... Now!

Jared Lorenzen?

Not sure if you meant to quote me, but I'm with you.

Wow, I hope they draft him so this guy (backup Guard?) is off the team.

Ok... NOW!

I agree that it'd be nice if they had this experience, but I don't think it's as important as at the skill positions. See Wilfork, Vince.

Ok, obviously not everyone got the memo. So starting..... now!

Just realized I wrote "Me must still be on some pretty good painkillers." Wish it was true.

Me must still be on some pretty good painkillers.

Boom, there it is.

I'm cold.

Maybe you guys didn't hear the Major. He clearly gave orders for no more posts on the subject.

My guess is his dead, estranged mother comes back to haunt him. This will drive him to drink, and so the downward spiral begins.

So you decided to open a new thread to tell the rest of us we'd better not open up any more threads on the topic. On top of which, the old thread already contained the report you're referencing (a report whose flaws have already been discussed)? Bravo, sir.

I'm pretty sure it would lead to some kind of tragic accident for Trent, since his football career couldn't get any worse.

What I find so puzzling is that the OP's whole point is that surrounding talent doesn't matter if you have a franchise QB. To say then that Clausen is a franchise QB just doesn't make any sense, because if so (according to the OP's theory) he should have won a hell of a lot more games at ND.

You still give no explanation as to why your franchise QB couldn't win at Notre Dame, if surrounding talent is not important.

People on both sides of this debate like to pull out examples of why you need to have a line first, or why you need the qb first. The fact that there are examples on both sides make it fairly obvious to me that either method / order can work. It's about drafting the right guys, not just about drafting the right positions. Now play nice.

Fitz also slides in the pocket pretty well. The problem is that for much of this year, it was collapsing from multiple places at once. Also note in the article linked by the OP - Clausen is not a mobile quarterback. He was compared in the article to Drew "the Statue" Beldsoe. What I don't understand is how such a great "franchise" qb could lose so many games in College. Yet people are expecting him to turn around a Pro Team with equal (if not greater) talent deficiencies all on his own.

There are around 20 teams without a "franchise-type" qb, so my guess is we have a pick somewhere between 1 and 20. Which comes first: the O-line or the QB? It's a question that can't really be definitively answered, since they generally go hand in hand. But a lot of smart people think that a great quarterback would be wasted behind our current O-line, and that without an upgrade there, we would most likely still be stuck with a high draft pick next year.

He can do whatever he wants. So can his employer. What are you, some kind of socialist?

Statue of Liberty Offense? Or better yet, the Statue of Liberty DEfense.

I'll take the ones who win.

Surprised indeed. And then they shot up that coffin good.