John Cocktosten
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Taint needs to stop. He does a little dance after every catch and has been fined for celebration. Taint's mad because Orton put it in, stones and all.
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Im not defending EJ. However, I am not intrigued by Orton. Freddie is STILL the second leading receiver. I didnt say they had a good D line. I said DT. Suh and Fairley. I said the rest of the defense was crap. I would expect a good show by a QB who has guys piling up YAC yards. Runs after the catch were all on the field. You bring up 2 teams that started off slow and are suggesting what? That because the Giants beat themselves 2 consecutive weeks when they changed offenses, or a Packers team who has 1 real WR. For all the passing weapons we have, there is no way conceivable that todays happenings couldnt occur. Can you really name anyone on that D besides the 2 DTs and Levy? Why didnt you mention that Cam Newton dominated them? So you bring up Aaron Rogers, and Eli because it helps your arguement but dont take into account that Cam Newton, with injured ribs, threw for 281? Why is it I cant just say wait until we play a team that has seen footage, and has a better all around defense before we get so excited?
5 yds a carry. But had he had holes and not had to drag people you think those 50 yds dont turn to 75? Im not defending Spiller but the fact is we need that line to have an identity. Do they run block or are they pass pro guys? I think my big thing is that Marrone was supposed to be a line guru. And the offensive line is the weakest part of the offense. Thats my gripe. I just want an identity. And I want a team that can get tough yards because the big boys up front do their job.
Cam Newton dominated? 280 and 1 TD is not domination. I brought up Rodgers and Eli because they're both considered half way decent. Btw, who's the Packers only legit WR, Cobb (6 rec TDs) or Nelson (Leading the NFL in yards)? And who cares if the Lions are doing without big names, you could say the same thing for a lot of defenses but the facts are that they're #1 and that's all that counts.
I'm not saying Orton is the future but he's a hell of a lot better than EJ. He also deserves credit for playing as well as he did without any spring or fall practice and minimal snaps before this week. The tape? Dudes started 70 games in his career, defenses know his tendencies.
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Wh bring them up? Do they have Freddie or Sammy who bailed out Orton. After this game I am convinced that it is the play calling. We ran so many short dinky throws it was sickening. Hackett doesnt know how to air it out. The offense is very unimaginative. You failed to mention however, that the Detroit Lions have arguably the most dominant DT in the game. And Fairley is no slouch either. Did anyone really expect to go and run up the gut on them? Behind that line. they had crap. Crap linebackers and a crap secondary. There is no way we shouldnt have broken the 300 yard mark today in the air. The FACT is that this team has given up on EJ. The receivers dont believe in him anymore and it shows. Its not an indictment on him. But you know and I know that Sammy wouldnt have tried to make that catch for EJ.
So if you can't run against a team you should always expect to break 300 yds passing? I guess you missed the GB game when Aaron Rodgers passed for 170 when his team only rushed for 70. How about Eli passing for 150 vs the Lions and when they totaled 50 yds rushing as a team. Logic isn't quite there my friend.
Also, if the Lions have one of the best Dlines and the Bills Oline is putrid, why would Hackett go to the 5-7 step drop game? Shorter routes are the way to go while picking your spots to go deep.
Did you read your own post? The WRs gave up on EJ but it's not an indictment of EJ? Who is it an indictment of? Wow.
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EJ wasn't perfect in the 1st two weeks, but the Bills got Ws in both of those games. Looks pretty damn familiar to me.
I'm just replying to your original post. You said the win looked "pretty damn familiar" to you. I'm saying that it looked nothing like those two wins becasue we averaged 150 RYPG which is obviously going to help the QB. Also, Orton had 300 yds passing today (vs the #1 D) EJ averaged 185 YP in his two wins.
So when you look at the three games and say they look the same, the issue here is that you can't seem to remove EJ's jersey from your mouth long enough to be objective.
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Two big runs by Fred and Boobie in the Bears game was about it. The run was pretty much stuffed against the Dolphins. Those are the facts.
You can't be serious? The Bills had 200 vs the Bears and another 115 vs the Dolphins and those two big runs had a major role in the win at Chicago. Good God man, you've lost your mind.
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Still didn't mention anything about the 150 rush YPG EJ was working with vs the 49 that Orton had today. Btw, Rodgers and Eli struggled mighty vs the Lions D. But hey, who likes facts?
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Kelvin Benjamin wasn't a first rounder when EJ was his QB. See the difference when a real QB is throwing the ball?
2012-13 Florida State 14 30 495 4 2013-14 Florida State 13 50 957 14
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Kelvin Benjamin wasn't a first rounder when EJ was his QB. See the difference when a real QB is throwing the ball?
2012-13 Florida State 14 30 495 4 2013-14 Florida State 13 50 957 14
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High Def has changed the game.
Hi def? You could've seen the hands to the face and the hold on Sammy if it was shot on Zapruder's camera.
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EJ wasn't perfect in the 1st two weeks, but the Bills got Ws in both of those games. Looks pretty damn familiar to me.
Except for the part where the Bills averaged 150 rushing yards in those two wins and had 49 at 2.2 a clip today. But I'm sure that has more to do with EJ's ability to take the top off a defense and getting the safeties out of the box. Right?
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Freddy is right up there with the greatest Bills for me. He always gives a balls out effort which the team clearly feeds off of. His leadership and attitude are as good as it gets. Too bad the Bills just started appreciating his talents the last couple of years.
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I lost A LOT of respect for sammy today. No denying the kid is extremely talented - but - he did NOT make those kinds of efforts for EJ. This is not an ej thread - don't care about whether you think the kid is the worst qb on planet - fact is Orton made plenty of throws behind his receivers or high - and yet watkins made highlight reel catch after highlight reel catch. I think sammy better grow up and act like a professional. His bff Orton is not the long term qb for the bills and he better not go back to his achy ribs, pull up approach when the next qb comes along.
Shocking opinion coming from a Nole. I'm sure you have lot of respect for Jameis though.
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Wow are you like 10? You're the same guy who is a Jimmy Clausen fan and never pays up on a bet.
Poor guy, still suffering from Bills Stockholm Syndrome. You've fallen in love with mediocrity which has rendered you unhappy with the most talented team we've had in a decade. The fact that you said Orton had nothing to do with this win says it all.
Also, I've sent you multiple PMs and posted in threads that I wanted to settle and never heard back from you. I've also owned my the fact that I was wrong about Clausen. But if you want to go back and forth over your love for Troupe, Maybin, EJ and everyone that Buddy Nix brought in I'll be glad too.
Unreal that you're so unhappy with a great win.
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You're right. Brilliant move. Kyle Orton led us to one td and made the Lions' kicker miss 3 field goals. Clearly, he deserves a spot on the wall of game.
We were gifted that game and nearly blew an amazing defensive game because we couldn't score. 300 yards means nothing if you don't score. Love the W, hate the hypocrites. If EJ only scored a td, threw a pick 6, & throw an awful pass that required one of the catches I've seen, you would be ripping him. Be consistent. Orton wasn't the reason we won this game.
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Boom! Orton feelin it!!!!!!!
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enough with the slow developing PA. Orton is starting to feel it a bit
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man he's late seeing stuff over the middle but at least he throws it
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Hughes makin himself a lot of money today
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Not our day fellas
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Why cut into the pursuit WOODS!!!!!!???
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I wonder how much freedom Orton has to audible. I'd expect an experienced QB to see that pressure and get out of PA
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A QB who took no preseason snaps and just stared getting meaningful reps this week is struggling against the #1 D. Shocking! Did anyone really think this was going to be a Frank Reich type situation?
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We got flag fvcked this half.
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