John Cocktosten
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Haaaaaaaa....can't even wait til week 6 to drop this zany prediction?
Here's to you being dead wrong, for everyone's sake.
Zany? It's been 30 years since the Bills guessed right on a QB. I hope I'm dead wrong but EJ couldn't will FSU to a win over NCST so I'm supposed to think he's supposed be better in the NFL? I doubt it.
Buffalo Bills....rebuilding since 1997!
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The quicker OBD realizes that he's a bust the quicker they can start rebuilding.
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You don't have to tank anything, just start EJ from day one. That way the Bills are guaranteed the first pick overall (JC) and they quickly realize how bad EJ will be.
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The Bills are big fans of telling us how they do things differently than everyone else, or disagree with the consensus opinion. The implication is that they're smarter than everyone else. And yet, they keep losing.
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This thread is hilarious.
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You do realize that supports my arguement and only weakens your arguement? Re-read that write-up.
Also that article ranked the WR corps based on players rankings coming out of high school. Remember, Sam Young was once ranked the #2 OT coming out of high school (in 2006), then he was average in Notre Dame and undrafted. Bryce Brown was considered the best high school prospect in the 2009 class, he ended up being a 7th round pick. Russell Sheppard was considered the 2nd best QB prospect and 3rd or 4th best overall prospect in the 2009 class... he turned out to be nothing. Beannie Wells, Stafon Johnson, and Keiland Williams were all ranked better than CJ Spiller in 2006. I could keep going if I wanted to.
In the end, high school rankings don't mean anything. Prospects don't live up to their rankings more often than they do. Stop making your conclusions based on high school rankings. FSU dos not have tons of weapons for their QB's, just look at how many RB/WR/TE's have been drafted out of FSU during EJ Manuel's time there.
Also, its funny you have to resort to name calling. Thats what people do when they know they don't know what they are talking about. It's also funny how your the only one that agrees with yourself in this thread. Yet your calling everyone else a "sheep" LOL
No it did not rank them based on recruiting rankings. BOTH Athlon and ESPN rank them according to who they think are the best. That's two sources saying that they are 6 and 7 IN THE COUNTRY. But they're wrong I know. I
And quit saying that recruiting rankings don't mean squat because Bama, the team that's won 3 out of the last 4, has had the top class 4 or 5 years in a row. So exactly how do rankings mean squat? Who are the best teams in CFB? LSU, UF, OSU, UGA and they are always in the top of the recruiting rankings. Does that mean that every 4/5 * turns out of course it doesn't. I'll re-post this for those who say recruiting doesn't mean anything. Recruiting is everything in CFB. http://www.cbssports...otball/21641769
On the final count, the higher-ranked team according to the recruiting rankings won almost exactly two-thirds of the time (66.4 percent of the time, to be exact), and every "class" as a whole had a winning record against every class ranked below it every single year. (The only exception, if it even qualifies, came last year, when "two-star" teams finished one game below .500 in head-to-head collisions with "one-star" teams. Elsewhere, the hierarchy held across every line.) The gap on the field also widened with the gap in the recruiting scores: At the extremes, "one-star" recruiting teams managed a grand total of six wins over "four-star" and "five-star" recruiters in 59 tries. Where a small handful of teams defied their rankings, none managed to do so as part of a larger group.
The whole point of me posting any of this is that I keep hearing everyone say EJ didn't have talent around him. That's total crap and the two articles that I posted proved it no matter what you want to believe. Btw, he has a very good backfield that rushed for almost 3K this year. But that doesn't matter either. So even though FSU has had a top 10 class 5 years running in the state where the best players come from EJ was surrounded by crap? Only on this board do posters lack an ounce of objectivity. Hilarious!
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Florida State's offensive weapons are so good that they have NOT had a WR/RB/TE drafted (in any round) since the 2007 Draft (Link to all draft picks). Right, they did have Chris Thompson get drafted in the 5th round this year (first WR/RB/TE drafted since Lorenzo Booker and Chris Davis in 2007.... both of which didn't amount to anything). You make very little sense talking about all these FSU weapons they apparently have. In addition, FSU has only had 3 offensive linemen that have been drafted in that time frame (Zebrie Sanders-5th, Andrew Datko-7th, and Rodney Hudson-2nd). Then of course Menelik Watson in the 2nd this year.
So NO, EJ Manuel was NOT surrounded with tons of offensive talent like you keep claiming.
Yet RG3 and Baylor had a pretty solid WR named Terrence Williams drafted in the 3rd round this year (many predicted him as an early 2nd). Then how about WR Kendall Wright drafted in the first round last year? And you say Florida State has lots more offensive talent? Do your research and learn CFB before making ridiculous statements.
In addition... Rashard Greene, Kelvin Bejamin and Kenny Shaw will all be drafted high as WRs? What are you smoking? Kenny Shaw is awful, sure he has shown some flashes, but he will not be a high draft pick. Kelvin Benjamin definitely has potential to be drafted in the 2nd-3rd round maybe the first based on his size, red zone threat, and ability to make big plays time to time. But before touting him as a "high pick" he needs to stop dropping balls and learn how to run routes. In addition he is slow of the line. Benjamin is extremely raw, he was only a freshmen last year. Rashad Greene is their best chance as a first round pick. He has good hands, speed, and body control. However, his strength is awful, he gets jammed alot at the line, and is an average route runner. I can see Benjamin and Greene as late 2nd round picks at the very highest, currently.
To end it, NO way is Big-12 defenses better than ACC defenses. Your hatred for EJ Manuel is ridiculous and unbelievable.
You guys can keep ignoring the facts I'm sure that the sheep will say that ESPN sucks (CFB is the one thing they get right) It's hilarious to listen to the sheep mentality in this board. Trying to justify the reasons why EJ was average in college. There's always excuses with every Bills reach. Hope it makes you feel better. an't wait to bump this thread.
Ranking nation's top 10 receiving corps
July, 31, 2012
Jeff Lewis/Icon SMIThere isn't a better receiver duo in the country than USC's Robert Woods, left, and Marqise Lee, right.
Key receivers: Rashad Greene, Willie Haulstead
There's a lot of speed here, without question, but a lot of unrealized potential. Greene, Haulstead and Kenny Shaw, among others, have demonstrated a lot of ability. Injuries and inconsistency, however, have limited overall production.
Haulstead is a great example. The junior was forced to take a medical redshirt a year ago due to lingering effects from a concussion, and yet he is FSU's only representative on the preseason Biletnikoff watch list. At 6-3 and 233 pounds, he's a tough matchup for ACC corners -- or any league's corners, for that matter.
As a freshman, Greene led the team with 596 yards and seven touchdowns. He might turn out to be the Noles' top award candidate, depending on how he continues to mesh with QBEJ Manuel.
Even without a proven star, FSU shines with its depth. Senior Rodney Smith and sophomoreChristian Green, the second- and third-leading receivers a year ago, combined for 1,011
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Here's a few notes, addressed at the ridiculous arguments of both JohnC's.
Regarding WR talent: The WR corps is in the midst of a renaissance. In 2011, they struggled with drops, and had lots of young players on the roster. The senior leaders were decent college players, but not great. Burt Reed was a UDFA last year, and Rodney Smith was a UDFA this year. The talent is really starting to blossom, with, Rashard Green leading the way. He should be a high draft pick in a year or 2 when he declares. There's other young talent that has played well at times too. The corps improved quite a bit from 2011-2012, but should improve much more this season. The TE position is largely unimpactful in the passing game. The WRs have a chance to be very good, but EJ will have gotten to play with them when they were young and ascending, not at their best.
And John, if you are such a wealth of college football knowledge, you'd know full well that star rankings for recruits usually mean very little in the grand scheme of things. Ranking HS players is an even bigger crap shoot than ranking college guys for the draft.
Regarding the "basically a 4 year starter" comments: This is a lie and is patently false. EJ started 4 games as a freshman and 3 as a sophomore, both in place of an injured Christian Ponder, before starting 25 in his final 2 years. So he got half a season's worth of starts spread over his first 3 seasons. That's most definitely not "basically a 4 year starter."
Regarding the NC St game: Jimbo Fisher has since come out and put the blame on himself for losing that game, faulting his ultra-conservative play-calling in the second half. EJ didn't play great, but Jimbo spent the second half playing run-run-pass-punt and trying to sit on the lead. You can't "lead your team to a win" when the coach refuses to call your normal offense. Also of note: Jimbo refused to let Hopkins try a 51 yarder that would have made the score 19-10 in the 4th. The offense allowed a blocked punt which gave NC St the ball on our 35 to set up the game winning drive. The defense allowed 3 4th down conversions on the final scoring drive for NC St.
Recruiting rankings mean very little? Guess who's had the # 1 or 2 class nationally the 5 years. Bama.
Here some analysis. Man are you wrong. Don't worry though, you have company on this thread.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/21641769
I do think there is a HUGE difference between Florida 3 stars and every other states 3 stars for sure. But come on, LSU, UF, OU, FSU and so many more are at the top of recruiting rankings and polls. It's undeniable.
Did you expect Jimbo to throw EJ under the bus? Actually Jimbo threw the whole team under the bus after that game.
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Haha. Dude, you had as much chance to go pro as I did. Do you really wanna compare what schools we graduated from?
Just take your medicine & send me my beer. Sorry, your pimping of Clausen definitely clouds your judgement as a qb expert. Btw, I don't think I've seen one person claim that Manuel was a sure fire star qb.
Well your school did cancel it's football program which is pretty sad. That's a tough one to overcome. UB is not terrible academically but BU is the real deal so you win there.
Your pimping of Dan LeFevour is much worse. Almost as bad as your self accountability.
I tried sending you your beer BTW. I never got a reply. PM me. Btw, do you really want to drink all that beer? I imagine you're pretty chubby and it's bathing suit season.
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No, I was precisely right. There were only three players over 500 yards. You said there were four. I said two of them were just over 500, that was Shaw and Smith, at 532 and 524, and one of them, was just under 500, which was Benjamin at 495. Are you so bad at this that you link stats to back up my point? That's hilarious.
I even linked the stats in my post.
Really? I rounded up 5 yards and that's your brilliant point? Well you got me! I guess You gotta cling to something because it's clear that you and most in this thread watch college football on you tube after the draft is over.
I can't wait to revisit this thread.
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Step one: collect underpants...
So is that bad for a team that rushed for almost 3000 yds? This isn't a spread team. Not that you know that. See Andrew Luck.
And they had three. Two guys with just over 500, and one guy with just under 500.
Well you're completely wrong. But I'm sure you'll come back with something brilliant.
NAME REC YDS AVG LONG TD Rashad Greene 57 741 13.0 71 (TD) 6 Kenny Shaw 33 532 16.1 77 (TD) 3 Rodney Smith 38 524 13.8 61 (TD) 3 Kelvin Benjamin 30 495 16.5 64 4
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LOL! In the context of what you're arguing, the fact that they were young (implied: not as good as they could be) helps make the case that EJ's receivers weren't that good...WHEN HE WAS THEIR QUARTERBACK. They might eventually the four greatest receivers to ever play football...but they weren't during Manuel's tenure. Period. Case closed, you made everyone's point for them. Nicely done.
FSU had 4 Wrs go for over 500 yds in a non passing offense. How is that bad? It shows that FSU has a ton of depth. I'm sure none of it had to do with Lord EJ.
Good god this is hilarious.
At-best, Rashad Greene might be a #2 or #3 in another major program. None of the other guys would crack top-4.
Rashard Greene maybe a 2 or 3? I'm done. You really don't know what you're talking about.
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http://www.seminoles...meNFLDraft.html
Top 5 defensively sure. But if you are talking about offense, the NFL hasn't noticed.
Maybe because they're young? The Wrs were Sophs and Jrs. CB, it really shows how little you know about CFB but I'd expect that from a D3 player.
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Yes, proven...apparently by the following FBS defensive rankings:
Baylor - 113th
Iowa State - 87th
Kansas - 118th
Kansas State - 28th (downright impressive)
Oklahoma - 50th
Okla State - 64th
TCU - 30th
Texas - 74th
Texas Tech - 92nd
West Virginia - 117th
Seriously man...nobody's arguing that the ACC is a defensive power, but come on
As I said, if all 3 of those guys are first or second round picks, then apparently NFL talent evaluators will have felt that FSU's offensive talent is equal to that of Baylor's (according to their numbers, not mine). Until then, it's not looking so good for your argument.
Also, I'm dying to know how using stats to support a stance is unacceptable to you, but using Athlon Sports pre-season WR rankings is reasonable?
Miami was 120, BC was in the 100's and so was Duke. See how that works. Isn't it weird that there are so many Big East teams had top 20 defenses yet when they play out of conference they get slaughtered. You don't understand context in CFB. It's a different animal and it's not apples to apples like NFL is. Maryland at 21 is a perfect example. The 3 best offenses they faced put up 40 + on them the last 3 games of the season. But they finished ranked 21!
I used Athlon because you and others said FSU doesn't have talent offensively. They were ranked that high because they have a ton of talent. Simple as that.
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You said ALL FOUR COULD START for almost any team in the country. No team starts five WR. That means every one of his receivers, in your opinion, is better than almost every receiver in the country.
No, I said that he had 4 WRs that could start for ALMOST any team in the country. Not sure what you're reading. Maybe jumped the gun on that one.
Read the link too. Make sure you pay attention to the college articles about the best WR corps this year. I bet FSU is in the top 3 but they have no talent. I really don't think you understand how much talent they have and get year after year. They have been in the top 5 3 years that EJs been there. Seriously, you're out of your element Donny.
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Including the John Skelton for Mario trade proposal, that may be the single stupidest, ill-informed, ridiculous sentence I have ever seen on this board.
:lol: :lol:That's a beaut.
Ill informed? Not sure if serious. Read the link ranking the top WR Corps going into last year. But I'm sure Athlon is a terrible source. Might want to watch the language, I'm sure beerball is watching.
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Please show me something that would indicate otherwise, because, so far, NFL talent evaluators don't believe that's the case.
BTW, as for the "ton of offensive talent" around Manuel, I keep hearing that from FSU fans, but it's hardly the case. I think it's a matter of looking at high school recruiting and repeating it over and over to themselves. For starters, they have no TE worth much. As for the WR's, sure they had a bunch of 4- and 5-star recruits, but they're just not that good, and the best of the bunch, Rashad Greene, is a sophomore who still has a lot of improving to do. They had a decent running game. And their OL, which is supposed to be a strength, was a weakness is several games, most notable the NC State and aforementioned Florida games.
Athlon is a pretty good college source. Here is a list of the top WR corps going into 2012:
6. Florida State – If the Seminoles can find the right mix on the offensive line, quarterback EJ Manuel is going to have a huge season. Rashad Greene was one of the ACC’s top receivers last season, even after missing four games due to injury. Look for the sophomore lead the team in receptions, yards and touchdowns in 2012. Senior Rodney Smith caught 36 passes last year and is back as a solid No. 2 threat. The Seminoles are loaded with options outside of Greene and Smith, including sophomore Christian Green and juniors Willie Haulstead and Kenny Shaw. Redshirt freshman Kelvin Benjamin has the talent to become a major factor in the receiving corps in 2012.
http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-top-20-wide-receiving-corps-2012
Huh? That's 6 out of how many?
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Also, for the record, Peyton Manning went 0-4 against Florida.
If anything, Doug Marrone thinks he is a better coach than Jimbo Fisher and can get more out of Manuel than Jimbo did. And give what he did with a one star recruit in RN, it's not crazy to think he could have done wonders with a 5 star recruit in Manuel.
I said that. He also didn't lose another game to any other SEC team the last 3 years he played. 21-3 in the SEC his last 3 years. Not bad, but not EJ....or LeFevour. Btw, Florida was pretty great.
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I never said it was harsh, just that I found the cheesy name-calling to be funny (and often indicative of someone that doesn't feel strongly enough in their conviction).
And your assessment regarding the talent on offenses is dubious at best. I don't know if you recall, but Baylor had first-round talent on the OL while Griffin played there in Danny Watkins, and also had two interior linemen make NFL rosters in 2012 in Robert T. Griffin (Was) and Phillip Blake (Den). That's not a heck of a lot different than FSU, who had a 2nd rounder this year in Menelik Watson, plus 5th and 7th rounders last year in Zebrie Sanders and Andrew Datko. FSU's leading rusher was a 5th round pick this year, Baylor's leading rusher was a 6th round pick last year.
EDIT: I forgot about Rodney Hudson...I think he was a 2nd rounder for KC in 2011.
If you are indeed correct, and all 3 of FSU's leading WRs end up first or second rounders (which, based on watching them, I doubt will happen), then I'd say the talent level will be even. If not, then I'd say it's pretty obvious who was playing with the higher talent level on offense.
And no, the defenses in the ACC aren't worse than those in the Big 12. The Big 12 is the worst defensive conference in the nation, and has been for about 5 years running; there's no comparison. That's why a team like Baylor can lose a guy like RG3 and actually improve on offense.
I just don't see how you can admit that EJ was good, and then go on to say that he can't win a game for the team...just doesn't make sense to me at all.
If you really think Baylor is playing with more talent than FSU then I think we can end this now. Gordon didn't play with RG3 during his Heisman campaign and neither did Watkins.
The ACC's 1-8 record vs the Big12 the last 3 years. The Big 12 offensively and defensively is a way better conference and it's been proven on the field.
I said EJ was good but that's it. He basically a 4 year starter who never took the next step and that's what I'm basing my opinion on. Sorry if you don't like it but I'm very convicted.
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I will bet you $100 you will never find one post of me calling for Dan Lefevour in the 2nd. You in? You mail it with the beer you owe me for Clausen (I'm feeling a Shandy for the summer, any recommendations?).
And guess what? We have the same exact amount of control over what the Bills do. Personally, when it's 75 degrees and sunny, I'll hope for the best. Physically, Manuel is the most talented QB in the draft. He's also the best leader. As I showed in another thread, FSU was very weak producing offensive players. Marrone took an average at best talent in Ryan Nassib and made him into a NFL QB.
So yeah, saying the Bills will be bad every offseason will lead to you being more right than wrong. But personally, I'm rooting like hell for Manuel since he is probably the most physical gifted (and is a leader) since Kelly. But if only we would have drafted Clausen.
I could see you drinking that swill. Want me to send the lemons too?
You were in love with DL. Plus if I started looking through your history, I could write a book on how wrong you've been about.....well everything regarding the Bills. How many wins last year?
Man, it's hilarious how people keep saying that FSU doesn't have offensive talent. Rashard Greene is unreal. He had 4 WRs who could start for almost any team in the country last year. Chris Thompson goes down and they just have 2 other RBs fill right in and average 6 YPC and over 600 yds. The crazy thin g is Pender, who's probably their best back, was hurt all last year. But they don't have offensive talent.
I tried contacting you about the beer and never heard back. I should send you a 6 pack for your complete lack of ownership over your LeFevour crush.
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Interesting.
You pounded your chest about predicting the busts of Leinart (seven years ago), Sanchez (four years ago) and Tebow (three years ago).
But now the past is out of bounds?
Pound my chest? Exaggerate much? I was actually making a point saying that it's okay to call another first rounder a bust, just as long as he doesn't play for the Bills. But I would expect that to go over your head.
I have no problem owning up to Clausen. I still can't believe it. If ND didn't have him they might have won 2-3 games that year. I've even offered to pay my bet on this board so I'm more than accountable too. I thought it was funny that the same guy who was in love with LeFevour would bring that up. But you'll never here that from him.
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Oh, I'm sorry, you meant "stat-boy" as a compliment? Well then thank you.
And yes, I did watch college football, that's how I recognize that EJ played well against the best defenses he faced. I did, somehow, miss Florida on the rankings as they were 5th in the country. Yes, he struggled down the stretch in that game. I actually thought they were going to pull the upset when they were ahead by a TD after the 3rd quarter, but the long TD drive to open the 4th and EJ's ensuing interception were costly. As for you other comment, Virginia Tech may have had their worst team in years, but they allowed the 18th fewest points in FBS.
It's altogether unreasonable to fault EJ for playing well against the teams he played. Yes, it would be great if he single-handedly found a way to beat Florida, but to use that as the shining example of why he won't be successful is very, very short-sighted.
Ok, now I'm confused. You seem to be saying that Florida State's lack of a BCS Title run falls on the shoulders of EJ, but when it comes to RG3, you're willing to make it a team game? Well, I can make the same argument in EJ's favor. Ready?
What EJ didn't play with were (not was, since I see you're a fan of correcting others' grammar) 3 WRs that were 1st or 2nd round picks like RG3 had in Wright, Gordon, and Williams. Just facts I'm throwing out there. It makes the game a bit tougher when you don't play with a single other NFL quality position player like RG3 did. No?
Thanks.
PS, you obviously know that the Big 12 is a defensively bankrupt conference. In 2011, RG3 faced one, count 'em, one defense ranked in the top 45 in the country. Yes, he was a great college player, who also was surrounded by other great college players, but look no further than this year's Baylor Bears for the reason he put up 5 TDs per game: the D in the Big 12 is horrendous. In fact, without RG3, Baylor's offense actually improved in points/game, yards/game, 3rd down conversion rate, and rushing yards, all while staying virtually identical in passing yards and first downs/game. I can't believe someone trumpeting the argument that EJ faced inferior defenses would ignore that factoid.
This should actually serve to prove to you that strength of competition doesn't matter. EJ played well in college, a fact that can't be denied by anyone that watched him play. The stats support it...you're stretching to make your argument, and coming up with one game to support it.
I have a feeling it doesn't matter what anyone says, you're stuck in your thinking. That's fine, I'm happy to let the next 2-3 years play out and see. You seem happy to bury EJ now.
Stat boy ...harsh...sorry bro.
RG3 tooks advantage of his talent by putting unreal numbers game after game. What did EJ do? Believe me Rashard Greene, Kelvin Bejamin and Kenny Shaw will all be drafted high as WRs for FSU not to mention the ridiculous stable of backs. RG3 was unreal. EJ was good. The talent of the overall offenses severely favors FSU and it's not even close including O LIne.
And I would agree with you that the Big12 defenses are bad but the ACC is worse. The ACC is 1-8 against the Big 12 the last 3 years. The comp isn't close regardless of defenses. But tell me again how Va Tech's vaunted defense was good when DUke hung 40+ points on them. Sorry again for the stat boy, i get harsh sometimes.
Seriously? Is this true? Talk about credibility flying out the window.
Do you really want to revisit the last 4 years on this board?
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FYI, this poster also screamed & hollered that the Bills made the worst mistake ever passing over the great Jimmy Clausen.
I preferred one of the more polished Qbs in the 1st but man was I wrong about that. Marrone has worked with Brees & developed a one star recruit Nassib into a NFL qb. If he thinks he develop a 5 star recruit in Manuel into a franchise qb, I'll take his word for it. It's his job that's on the line.
Good lord really? Do we want to go back to that same draft and look at who you fell in love with? You wanted Dan Lefevour in the second. At least Clausen is still on a team.
Actually why don't we go back over every one of your posts and count the millions of ways you were wrong. You've been saying 10 wins per season for the last 5 years...those who live in glass houses. Ballsy to be so ignorant.
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That's fair. But it was jumping the gun for them, too, to label guys as busts. And there is a huge difference IMO between saying "this guy sure looks like a bust", and saying "this guy is a bust already and Nix is an incompetent moron for picking him."
I have no idea if EJ is going to be a bust. He was the guy I wanted but only because all of the guys were 50-50 shots and I felt that if he hit, it's a grandslam not a homerun because he has the most talent.
I was very encouraged that the Bills scouts thought he had trouble seeing the whole field, too, until they studied film with him, asked him what his responsibilities on the play was, he told them, and that was backed up by his position coach and head coach. So maybe he didn't have trouble reading the whole field.
All first round QBs, with the rare exceptions of the sure things like Andrew Luck, have a basically 50-50 chance of bust. You don't like the pick and you have your reasons for it, and you have seen a lot of evidence in your mind to back that up. That's fine, and fair. The problem is, you're presenting your case as a fait accompli and not as a warning that things may not work out well because of A, B, C and D.
I do believe EJ was limited by Jimbo but to what point? Jimbo wasn't sabotaging EJ was he? Maybe he was managing his weaknesses. Either way, JF isn't going to come out and say anything bad about EJ, his play calling said enough.
As far as my presentation of my opinion, does it really matter? If I said, "guys, please temper the EJ enthusiasm because I have my concerns." I would still get attacked with nonsensical stats about Va Tech's defense and how I just want to be right. I guess I'm just matching the complete jubilation over the pick but with informed opposition. Maybe we're all a little absurd but my opinions didn't come from You Tube or only prognosticators who liked him.
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Where has he failed in first round picks? Pretty much everyone with any football sense anywhere says it takes three years to know with any certainty about a draft class. Everyone was quick to put the bust moniker on CJ, who has turned into a bona fide star. Dareus is going into his third year (and I think it is fair to give him a pass on a year where the team disintegrated and he was scared to leave his own house after his brother was killed, ending an unheard of string of tragedies in his life. Gilmore, to me, looks like an absolute stud in the making.
What people are taking you to task on is not your opinion, it's your absolute certainty that EJ is an abject failure.
I agree and am hopeful about Dareus. From all accounts, Chan didn't make things any better too.
So are you making the point that GMs should be judged on first round picks or that Buddy has been so spot on with first rounders that EJ is a lock to be good?
It's a bit hypocritical to get mad at my opinions on EJ when there was a hundred threads during the past several drafts proclaiming other team's picks to be busts. I'm just adding a little balance to this board, among other things.
EJ starts Sunday
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Or you could've just watched him implode in the biggest game of his career. But I'm sure he'll fare better against NFL defenses.