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    Start EJ

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    Put EJ in so he can prove to his last few fan boys that he's not a good QB. There will still be a few that say, "he's only had 17 starts!" but most will realize that he's not the one and OBD can move on from our whole current stable of sad QBs.

    EJ vs Orton (stat comparison)

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    The majority of the guys drafted with him were on defense.

     

    The players that played or started with EJ who were drafted/FA in 2012 and 2013.

    2 Running backs were drafted and another two were signees as FA (Wilder,Pryor)

    Benjamin was a 1st rounder 2 WRs were signed as FAs and Rashard Greene was coming a Freshman AA

    Oleary was an AA TE (with Jameis of course) but started during EJ's senior year.

    2 OL drafted

     

    That is nearly the entire offense getting on NFL rosters.

     

    Just because he does not have them does not mean he cannot learn. Most people continue to learn after they leave college to believe EJ cannot do the same is ridiculous.

     

    The belief by some that EJ career is over discounts the fact that people(as long as they are motivated) continue to grow and learn as they age. My hope is that EJ is motivated.

     

    BillsFan-4-Ever, others and I have discussed what is best for the team(at the QB position) and we may have disagreed; however, I have never said EJ was not capable of learning. In fact, that was the whole reason I wanted Orton(or any veteran) to start.

     

    Can't teach accuracy.

     

    So what? What is your point, other than making a generalization? Not every QB's college career is created equal. If you want to go simply off of that, great...then don't ignore his success. Here's a quick hole in your theory that doesn't make excuses for anyone:

     

    EJ was 4-0 in bowl games. Kyle Orton was 1-3.

     

    Actually it proves what I've been saying. The talent surrounding EJ was one of the best runs ever when you add how many players were drafted. EJ's best bowl game was against the MAC champs. He threw for 60 yards against South Car.

     

    The best player Orton played with was A TE named Charles Davis.

    EJ vs Orton (stat comparison)

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    Sweeping generalizations are why this argument is useless at this point. I mean you guys talk like EJ never completed a pass. It's insane.

     

    You can start by punching holes in what I said. Are you telling me that EJ wasn't surrounded by ridiculous amounts of talent? There were 10 (not including him) guys drafted his senior year and 7 (all from different positions) more the following year. That's means he played with 17 players who were drafted. Specific enough?

     

    Never said EJ couldn't complete a pass but EJ was not one of the most important football players on that team and proved it by never providing a performance that all of the greats and some of the "goods" have.

    EJ vs Orton (stat comparison)

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    EJ was not close to what Orton was in college. EJ was surrounded by ridiculous talent and had a great defense. EJ was incapable of carrying his team and Jimbo relied on him to not turn the ball over and that's it. Orton carried his college team despite and playing with zero NFL talent but had an off the charts senior year playing through injuries. And that's when the Big 10 was good.

     

    I get that EJ is young and QBs can develop later in their careers (rare at best). However EJ was never a great QB in college. He was good and that's all. He wasn't Jameis, Tebow, Cam, Dak, VY or JF who single handedly made ridiculous plays to keep their teams in games. He never displayed the skills to win a football game by himself, not once. So why is he all of a suddens going to "develop" in the NFL? Because he's big? Good looking and nice? He ran a fast 40 (despite being stiff with no fluidity)? Because he throws a tight spiral? He's always been inaccurate and unable to read defenses and go through his progressions. Those two attributes are more important than anything else and EJ simply doesn't have them.

    I love your drunken ass, Kyle Orton....

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    This is all i have to say:

     

    Kyle Orton 10/17, 238 yards, 4 TDs, 142.9 QB rating.

     

     

     

    Its a shame billsfan4life wont show his face for a week now. Shouldnt be that way - we all root for the same team.

     

    Add Alpha and CB97 to that list too.

     

    Orton is doing this with no camps and no first team reps before his first start. Two weeks of practice should help him and the offense improve even more. Unfortunately, I don't anticipate Hackett's love for inside zone runs to diminish over that time.

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