HardyBoy

Oh stiffle it Hondo

I don't pray, but sure

Sounds about right

Yeah, I remember Tim Graham was positing in here right around when I joined iirc, which had to have been somewhere between 2007-2009 I would think (I lurked for a whiiiillle before actually signing up) It really might have been Jerry Sullivan and seven burner accounts that forced Graham out, based on the time frame... I'm only mostly kidding!

They definitely were both on here posting for a bit at separate times until I would imagine Jerry Sullivan's seven burner accounts called them out for not sharing details that would have burned their sources or something. I can't remember all the specifics, felt silly, especially as they seemed pretty engaged.

Didn't we run both him and Warrow off from here? And by we I mean some of us

Debi from Depew in the house? Lol, I'm just kidding

I call everyone dude for what it's worth...and you didn't address the point of my post

There's a difference between people having their own opinion and the swirling negative group think of Deppie from Depew and Frank on a cell

Um dude, he's saying people shouldn't listen to Debbie from Depew, not that Bills leadership and scouting should be proud they know more than Debbie.

Um, definitely remove Dareus from that list... dude deservingly got bank on a second contract and then coasted...he was gearing up to be a generational talent. It's funny, people specifically calling Dareus a bust, while complaining about this Bills leadership drafting players who "love ball" even if there are other players who maybe measure better (not saying you are that person)

Oh *****, I read this after I voted...I thought I could throw a tiny toss to a running back right next to me or something! Wonder if I can change my vote! Lol, every cb taking away the short stuff and even though I can throw a football decently far, I'll get destroyed by a blitz or just the rush and not get up... it would be awful

To be fair I do think it was injuries largely with Watkins... which is a huge risk in the nfl obviously. He also turned out to have some pretty let's just say interesting ideas on things iirc... kinda wonder if he brought any of that into his injury rehab?

You can find a bit better than average qb play in free agency and through trades...Baker Mayfield for example...using a top five pick on a mid first or lower rated qb is bad use of draft value...especially when those players are going to likely bad teams and situations and their flaws will be magnified, which gunner points out in several of his ratings as a concern. If you want to argue trading out of the very top of a weak qb draft to get more picks to help you get up the next chance you have where there are a number of elite qb prospects, assuming you can find people to give you value for the pick without there being an elite qb prospect, sure...reaching for any position, especially qb to get a slightly better than average prospect...and then saying there's no argument... I'm not with you on that one, but you're welcome to your opinion obviously. The worst thing to have is a mid-tier rookie qb that you don't know if you should re-sign or let walk...look at Tannehil with the Dolphins, shoot, look at Tua now who has had trouble in the cold and wind late in the season. Look at Dak Prescott and his contract...some of those guys are well above slightly above average...I just don't think you ever reach for a player and seeing elite ceiling due to athleticism and coachability isn't reaching, that's factored into the ratings...some people might have a higher risk tolerance than others...EJ Manuel was a bad pick...JP Losman was a very good pick who went to a very bad situation sadly...we've seen examples of two of those situations play out in Buffalo...don't reach for a qb or any player based on need

There's a reason that a general manager on a short leash and/or feeling pressure to make immediate impact is the most dangerous thing in sports. Also curious if we'll see any trades out of the top of the draft.