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The good thing for the Browns is that they know Deshaun is a finisher. Always gets a job done until completion

Hoecht played what? Two games max and we can’t survive his loss?

@leh-nerd skin-erd still won't touch this...

Imagine if Cleveland just kept Baker lol

We’ve been going back and forth but this is a good post - thanks. My issue is I hate how this defense is built. You point to injuries, which is valid, and I simply think our philosophy is a factor in that. I hate, so much, how small the spine of our defense is .. and it’s by design. Smaller players get beat up more.. and it’s amplified, somehow even more, by our offense wanting to be ball control - which allows the other team to continue pounding the spine of our defense with runs. Nothing about any of this makes sense. Small DT’s. Small LB’s. Injury prone DE. Hoecht off PED’s, which are notorious in leading to tendon/ligament tears. I’m not surprised. While it’s a great OL, the weapons are so poorly reflective on our GM. You can’t miss twice on B level receivers, because they’re expensive if you sign them in FA, and he did it with Samuel and Palmer. He strapped us with the Knox contract and then doubled down by drafting a finesse TE.. who, I’m not shocked, is hurt all the time. Busted on a WR hardly anyone in the NFL community thought could play outside at a high level. Thats a lot of poor asset allocation on a roster for a contender. And this year seems to be getting worse with his recent extensions and signings. Now this Slay issue is just comical. It was clear he wanted to go to Philly.. this was in the realm of possibilities when Beane decided to block that.

Hasn’t been good in five years but was a starter on a SB defense last year … that guy?

This actually pisses me off. Didnt realize we released Ingram to make room for Slay. Ingram has been great depth and a good spot starter and is still young. Beane’s a moron. Can’t wait until this regime is gone just a complete 💩 show

They haven’t made the playoffs since 2022. Burrow was healthy last year and they didn’t make the playoffs…and the D is worse this year. If Burrow had been healthy all year they’re not a legit playoff team (granted, with that division, they might have made it.)

You have the Bills missing the playoffs?

I understand what you're saying And Jim tressel was a class act and a great coach I only hope marcus Freeman can have Notre Dame turn the corner like that but I truly don't believe it

I hear you on a lot of this, and honestly I agree that Beane could have done a better job in a few key areas. Early in Allen’s career, the whole conversation was about protecting him and building a real run game, and Beane absolutely did that. The O line is the best it’s been in decades and the run game is actually a strength now. But I also think that came at the cost of the WR room. While we were investing heavily in the trenches and the defense, especially the D line, and O-line, the receiver group slowly fell behind. And you’re right: the D line drafting hasn’t been good enough for the amount of capital that went into it. Where I think we differ is how much that overshadows the rest. Because even with the roster flaws, this team is still competitive every single week. We can beat anyone in the league this season, and we’ve done that for years, that’s not something I’m willing to dismiss. And this year especially, the injuries on defense have been brutal. Losing guys like Oliver and Hoecht completely changes what the defense looks like. With both of them healthy, the front seven would look drastically different. Some of this season really has been bad luck, not just bad building. So yeah, the roster could absolutely be better. Beane has real misses that deserve criticism. But I can recognize that and still appreciate that we field a team every year that’s capable of making a run. That’s all I was trying to get across, we can want better without acting like everything is broken.

The best performance by a real life Bills player or coach goes to ... McD. His scene was remarkably un-cringey. The rest? Mega-cringe.

John Cooper was an early version of James Franklin, only he was a better recruiter. 3-8 in bowl games, 2-10-1 vs Michigan, a host of disciplinary problems within the program. Fired because the program was disintegrating from all the problems within the team. Couldn't coach the big game, he wasted a lot of great talent Yes, they were considered a football powerhouse until late in the season. But I wasn't judging them by their ability to be one of the better teams in the country. I was judging them by their lack of character and ability to finish big games. Jim Trestle turned that all around, coupled with continued top tier recruiting, and locked them into the path they continue to enjoy. Sadly for Michigan, I think OSU has eclipsed them in the character department.