Flbillsfan#1 Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Looking at that grainy video, it looks like the ball is snapped on the end of the white line at the 36, which makes it closer to the 37 than the 35. Welker catches the ball and lands on the 26. It was a 10 yard gain. Only Bills fans. I watched in HIGH DEFINITION on a 52" HDTV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 See--facts are what you struggle with. I never said "everyone cheated". You know this. We went over this elsewhere. I never said he was drinking in the bathroom that--I did say it was a plausible scenario--a funny one too, I thought. I never said he was drunk----I simply assumed he was--given that he was a young guy with a penchant for drinking (with his own hooch) in bars and was driving in the middle of the night in the bar district taking his new BFF for a nite on the town, stopped to watch one canadian but didn;t see the obese one he hit and then refused to clear up this "misunderstanding" (and his reputation) that he committed a hit and run---for 4 weeks. That's all. See, we don't know where he was sneaking his drinks that nite. "Covert" means your are acting so as to prevent anyone knows you're doing it, so why would you expect witnesses? Also, if you were driving under influence and, hours later realized (the cops are at your door after inspecting your car) there may have been some incident which you (we'll be charitable here) you don't remember or are unaware of----do you cooperate with the cops? Do you tell your paasenger not to cooperate (you still haven't explained that one)? NO--of course not!! You wait at least until your BAL is zeeero. Anyway---for a Superfan like you, it's always easy to suspend disbelief and assume all this guy's behavior is strictly consistent with those of an man with nothing to hide (an innocent man). After he finishing laughing at you, I'm sure he appreciates your unquestioning support. There is another "organization" which is pushing back?? hahaha Wow. Instead of "struggling with reality," you're revising history! What's next, the "hit-and-run" was premeditated? Suffice it to say doc that nothing Lynch would have said or done in the beginning, other than "I was drunk, I admit it and I'm sorry" would have satisfied you and others of your ilk. You would have laughed at his story then, just as you are doing now. And the DA was likely NOT offering "the driver" the traffic ticket that Lynch ultimately got after the poorly-conceived grand jury gambit, but instead a misdemeanor for hit-and-run, which is likely the reason why Lynch kept quiet for so long. In the interim, a month-long investigation found NOTHING except for some worthless "past incidents" like bringing his own hooch into bars, which I guess I can see how in some alternate "reality" prove that he is a habitual drinker-and-driver. At least in defense of the DA, he has a job to do. What's your excuse, Superfan? I won't support Lynch for the illegal gun, and he deserved the misdemeanor charge. And he "paid his debt," in so far as a victimless crime needs a debt to be repaid. But the suspension was as big of a joke as Goodell has turned out to be. Looks like Sir Roger can be swayed with money and ratings, and while guns are evil, things like domestic violence, DUI, and dog killing are minor offenses to him. What a great message to be sending to the youth of America. There are many organizations "pushing back," both medical and otherwise. But the dinosaur AMA isn't one of them. Which is why I said to get back to me when Barry gets anything worrisome through. Co-ops? Bahahahahaha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 Wow. Instead of "struggling with reality," you're revising history! What's next, the "hit-and-run" was premeditated? Suffice it to say doc that nothing Lynch would have said or done in the beginning, other than "I was drunk, I admit it and I'm sorry" would have satisfied you and others of your ilk. You would have laughed at his story then, just as you are doing now. And the DA was likely NOT offering "the driver" the traffic ticket that Lynch ultimately got after the poorly-conceived grand jury gambit, but instead a misdemeanor for hit-and-run, which is likely the reason why Lynch kept quiet for so long. In the interim, a month-long investigation found NOTHING except for some worthless "past incidents" like bringing his own hooch into bars, which I guess I can see how in some alternate "reality" prove that he is a habitual drinker-and-driver. At least in defense of the DA, he has a job to do. What's your excuse, Superfan? I won't support Lynch for the illegal gun, and he deserved the misdemeanor charge. And he "paid his debt," in so far as a victimless crime needs a debt to be repaid. But the suspension was as big of a joke as Goodell has turned out to be. Looks like Sir Roger can be swayed with money and ratings, and while guns are evil, things like domestic violence, DUI, and dog killing are minor offenses to him. What a great message to be sending to the youth of America. There are many organizations "pushing back," both medical and otherwise. But the dinosaur AMA isn't one of them. Which is why I said to get back to me when Barry gets anything worrisome through. Co-ops? Bahahahahaha! Why wouldn't his passenger talk to the cops either? Simple question--why no simple answer? DUI in itself is a "victimless crime"---what's your beef there? So you're one of those who thinks Marshall caught a break because Denver is a "big market" with lots "money"? And Cleveland too??? hohohohoho! Name one national organization "pushing back"---and tell me what they are doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 It's hilarious you googled "moot"----you must know the accepted popular english usage of the word is that it may be debated but it's a waste of time. The outcome is known. Yeah, "nice call" by your dimwitted HC---the fake kneel-down is an illegal play in college! Turn the volume up on your Zenith. First, what's hilarious is that you think I'd need to 'Google' something so elementary - but then, you're the illiterate dolt that doesn't know the difference between 'feat' and feet'! Second, who - besides the illiterate Mr. WEO, says that play was a called 'fake kneel-down'? The only dimwit here is you, WEO.... Mr. WEO asks, "Hey Sailor, can I get a lift to Herring Cove Beach?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 Why wouldn't his passenger talk to the cops either? Simple question--why no simple answer? DUI in itself is a "victimless crime"---what's your beef there? So you're one of those who thinks Marshall caught a break because Denver is a "big market" with lots "money"? And Cleveland too??? hohohohoho! Name one national organization "pushing back"---and tell me what they are doing? It was apparent that Lynch's attorney's plan was to have him remain silent, let the detectives and DA futilely try to build a case against him, and wait until the DA offered something other than a felony or misdemeanor after finding nothing. And that's exactly what they found: nothing. No witnesses of him drinking, slurring his speech, staggering, driving erratically, etc. No evidence on the video that he sped-off after hitting her, which is the universal reaction when trying get away from a crime scene. No hiding his car. No incriminating text messages or even a record of a phone call for 4 hours afterwards and Lynch needing to be the one contacted first. I guess that was just a fortunate series of events for Lynch, huh? Where people had/have the problem is that Lynch didn't talk for 4 weeks (and I suspect that for some, something else was/is in play as well). But as I said, talking in the beginning wouldn't have changed a thing because no one would have believed his story. But it also didn't mean that he was guilty, although more than a few (ahem) took it that way, and added their own "assumptions" to build their own case against him. If Steve Johnson had talked to the cops and said he was the passenger, either in the beginning or at the grand jury proceedings, he'd have been a material witness to a crime and would have had to divulge the identity of the driver and/or face obstruction of justice charges. Why would he do this to himself or Lynch and not let the process play itself out, especially if he knew that they were innocent? Being caught DUI doesn't mean you wouldn't have caused harm to others had you not been arrested. There's far greater chance of causing injury being DUI than having a gun in the trunk of your car. Maybe if Goodell were tougher on DUI, Stallworth wouldn't have killed someone. Then again, it probably wouldn't have mattered, since Goodell has had no effect on crime in the NFL, and it actually appears that it's worse than ever. Most likely because he/his punishments are inconsistent and stupid. Speaking of which, no, I think Vick caught a break because of his marketability. And the only explanation for Marshall catching a break is that Goodell doesn't really care about domestic violence, even when it's repeated. Yet a traffic ticket merits a sitdown and a gun in a trunk merits a suspension worse than what Vick and Marshall got? How that can make sense to anyone other than an Eagles or Broncos fan is beyond me! And a 3-game suspension will definitely send the message, but a 1-game suspension wouldn't? LOL! There are a lot of organizations working behind the scenes to thwart any meaningful attempt at health care reform, doc. What are they doing? Gee, maybe greasing some palms? There's even a march by doctors planned for October 1st. Do you know that none of them are doing nothing? But even congress can't make up their own mind on what they want. Baucus had to stand-up at the podium with his proposal the other day without either, much less both, of the 2 other Democratic senators from his "gang of six" by his side. BTW, are you laughing at your wife's reimbursements potentially being cut in half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 It was apparent that Lynch's attorney's plan was to have him remain silent, let the detectives and DA futilely try to build a case against him, and wait until the DA offered something other than a felony or misdemeanor after finding nothing. And that's exactly what they found: nothing. No witnesses of him drinking, slurring his speech, staggering, driving erratically, etc. No evidence on the video that he sped-off after hitting her, which is the universal reaction when trying get away from a crime scene. No hiding his car. No incriminating text messages or even a record of a phone call for 4 hours afterwards and Lynch needing to be the one contacted first. I guess that was just a fortunate series of events for Lynch, huh? Where people had/have the problem is that Lynch didn't talk for 4 weeks (and I suspect that for some, something else was/is in play as well). But as I said, talking in the beginning wouldn't have changed a thing because no one would have believed his story. But it also didn't mean that he was guilty, although more than a few (ahem) took it that way, and added their own "assumptions" to build their own case against him. If Steve Johnson had talked to the cops and said he was the passenger, either in the beginning or at the grand jury proceedings, he'd have been a material witness to a crime and would have had to divulge the identity of the driver and/or face obstruction of justice charges. Why would he do this to himself or Lynch and not let the process play itself out, especially if he knew that they were innocent? Being caught DUI doesn't mean you wouldn't have caused harm to others had you not been arrested. There's far greater chance of causing injury being DUI than having a gun in the trunk of your car. Maybe if Goodell were tougher on DUI, Stallworth wouldn't have killed someone. Then again, it probably wouldn't have mattered, since Goodell has had no effect on crime in the NFL, and it actually appears that it's worse than ever. Most likely because he/his punishments are inconsistent and stupid. Speaking of which, no, I think Vick caught a break because of his marketability. And the only explanation for Marshall catching a break is that Goodell doesn't really care about domestic violence, even when it's repeated. Yet a traffic ticket merits a sitdown and a gun in a trunk merits a suspension worse than what Vick and Marshall got? How that can make sense to anyone other than an Eagles or Broncos fan is beyond me! And a 3-game suspension will definitely send the message, but a 1-game suspension wouldn't? LOL! There are a lot of organizations working behind the scenes to thwart any meaningful attempt at health care reform, doc. What are they doing? Gee, maybe greasing some palms? There's even a march by doctors planned for October 1st. Do you know that none of them are doing nothing? But even congress can't make up their own mind on what they want. Baucus had to stand-up at the podium with his proposal the other day without either, much less both, of the 2 other Democratic senators from his "gang of six" by his side. BTW, are you laughing at your wife's reimbursements potentially being cut in half? Look, doc, we've been over this. I would venture nearly every poster here has left a bar and drove home with a BAL > .08---without slurring or weaving or hitting poles. Why do you still make such a silly argument? How can you say Johnson would have "material witness to a crime" when you say he knew no crime was committed? My guess is that he didn't want to answer the following question: "were the two of you drinking that night?" And now you are saying that Goodell's policies are "most likely" has lead to an increase in NFL player crime? Another NKM crazy gem. My wife and I will be just fine. Senator: That wasn't a fake kneedown attempt? hahahahaha----that's your comeback???? Moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Senator: That wasn't a fake kneedown attempt? hahahahaha----that's your comeback???? Moron. WTF's a "kneedown attempt"? We talkin' motorcycles here? Idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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