iinii Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 He's had the best past 3 years stats of any WR and he will be treated like a god in Buffalo if the Bills do well. He always wanted his ego fed and with the locals starving for success, any lean that way will put him on a pedestal. I really couldn't think of a better place for him and hopefully he'll feel that way as well. Go TO I would love to see the Bills and T.O. have one incredible year, but year two with T.O. is always the conspiracy du jour. Garcia is gay, McNabb was sick, Romo is best friends with Jason. Some one will go under the bus. Didn't Marv teach you anything about history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 They both already got what they wanted from the deal and the season hasn't even started yet T.O. gets a chance to show the rest of the league he can still play and if he can make it through the season without "T.O. being T.O." he might get one last contract from a team next offseason The Bills, after the backlash from fans after another 7-9 season and many canceling season tickets, and complaining about DJ staying on for another year, get people talking about the team again, renewing their season tickets, and sell more jerseys Its already a win/win situation, T.O. wasn't brought here to take them to the next level, he came to take the heat off the front office and DJ and win fans back. If he improves the team on the field this year, thats just an added plud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I would love to see the Bills and T.O. have one incredible year, but year two with T.O. is always the conspiracy du jour. Garcia is gay, McNabb was sick, Romo is best friends with Jason. Some one will go under the bus. Didn't Marv teach you anything about history? TO was with SF for 7 years before the "Garcia is gay" stuff (which admittedly was uncalled-for) surfaced and he started to disrupt things. And getting cut by Dallas was another in a long string of bad decisions by Jerry Jones, fortunately for the Bills. Only in Philly did things sour in the 2nd season, and that was more than just on Owens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy G Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Hopefully there will be enough work for T.O. this year, with all the added weapons, it might be slim pickens for him. It wont be a problem if they're winning, if not, get ready, it could get ugly, my gut feeling is that things are going to go well for this team, it seems to go in cycles, and it's about time for the pendulum to start swinging in their direction. Owens is ready for a championship, sorry for the rose colored glasses, but there comes a time in a persons life when you just say. "I've had enough, if I want something different, I've got to do something different", he shocked the world be signing with the Bills so maybe he's come to that realization and we are in for a fun ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy in 4C Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 The most obviously dumb post of the past month deserves a simple and even more obvious response. Owens is using this year as his "good behavior" year to earn a contract with a championship contender next year. Owens despite whatever he may say or do on the field this year has no long-term interest of being a member of the Bills. Sorry! That's a fact. Owens is only interested in himself, his stats and in playing for a major media market that fawns all over him. It is for this reason and many other obvious reasons Owens is only on a one year contract. Owens can't be good long-term because his behavior won't allow it. He won't understand and respect Buffalo as a team because he has proven three (3) times in San Francisco, Philadelphia, and in Dallas that his only concerns are calling his quarterback gay in San Francisco, throwing his quarterback under the bus in Philadelphia, and popping pills and throwing a temper tantrum that his quarterback in Dallas doesn't throw him the ball enough when he drops too many passes any way. Of course, Buffalo will be better this year on offense because of Owens unique skill-set and playmaking ability. But Owens is just a hired gun for a year while Buffalo finds out if Hardy or Johnson can become a #2 receiver. If they can, then great for Buffalo. If they can't, Owens will leave Buffalo and a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a receiver in the 2010 draft. Owens will be nothing more than a talented receiver who is putting in time for free agency next year. The only "Savior" role Owens will play is he will make Buffalo a relevant football team for the media circus. He will help sell extra tickets and a lot of jerseys because his is an exciting/controversial topic. (Think Alex Rodriguez, Dennis Rodman, Mike Tyson, etc.) Otherwise, let's leave the Savior role to the actual Savior found in the New Testament. Ralph Wilson will be happy and Buffalo fans will be treated to a more exciting team that will finish no better than 8-8 barring some major injury to a key player on one of Buffalo's AFC East opponents. This is why Owens is and only will be on a one-year sabbatical with Buffalo. Nothing else can be added or refuted to this conversation. Close the topic! --Nightcrawler This topic absolutely needs to be discussed. What does 2010 look like for the WR core with TO off the roster? The Bills are back to square one unless you see Hardy/Johnson as a legit #2, which is far from proven. So the decision comes down to - do you put something in place now assuming a best case scenario with TO's behavior/production or do you hope he will want to re-sign with the Bills coming off a best case scenario year? I think it would be important to understand the impact of the decision. First, can the Bills receive compensation picks when he leaves. If so, what are we looking at? Second, if the Bills wanted to keep TO after the season, is the franchise tag on the table? If so, what does that figure look like? If that is $10-12 million and the Bills can't get compensatory picks, then looking at adding a one-year extension at 8-9 million, non-guaranteed, protects you that you might lose the best #2 receiving option available next year (or be forced to spend a high draft pick on an unproven WR). If you wanted to franchise him next year it would end up costing you more than locking him up now. It also protects you if he busts because you can cut him at season's end and not owe him on any 2010 money. How can a scenario like this not be explored again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 You write like a 12 year old and then call "dumb" out, classic. If you're 12 years old, forgive me. The most obviously dumb post of the past month deserves a simple and even more obvious response. Owens is using this year as his "good behavior" year to earn a contract with a championship contender next year. Owens despite whatever he may say or do on the field this year has no long-term interest of being a member of the Bills. Sorry! That's a fact. Owens is only interested in himself, his stats and in playing for a major media market that fawns all over him. It is for this reason and many other obvious reasons Owens is only on a one year contract. Owens can't be good long-term because his behavior won't allow it. He won't understand and respect Buffalo as a team because he has proven three (3) times in San Francisco, Philadelphia, and in Dallas that his only concerns are calling his quarterback gay in San Francisco, throwing his quarterback under the bus in Philadelphia, and popping pills and throwing a temper tantrum that his quarterback in Dallas doesn't throw him the ball enough when he drops too many passes any way. Of course, Buffalo will be better this year on offense because of Owens unique skill-set and playmaking ability. But Owens is just a hired gun for a year while Buffalo finds out if Hardy or Johnson can become a #2 receiver. If they can, then great for Buffalo. If they can't, Owens will leave Buffalo and a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a receiver in the 2010 draft. Owens will be nothing more than a talented receiver who is putting in time for free agency next year. The only "Savior" role Owens will play is he will make Buffalo a relevant football team for the media circus. He will help sell extra tickets and a lot of jerseys because his is an exciting/controversial topic. (Think Alex Rodriguez, Dennis Rodman, Mike Tyson, etc.) Otherwise, let's leave the Savior role to the actual Savior found in the New Testament. Ralph Wilson will be happy and Buffalo fans will be treated to a more exciting team that will finish no better than 8-8 barring some major injury to a key player on one of Buffalo's AFC East opponents. This is why Owens is and only will be on a one-year sabbatical with Buffalo. Nothing else can be added or refuted to this conversation. Close the topic! --Nightcrawler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GripnRip Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Any Cowboys or Eagles fan that strolls past this thread surely cannot help but laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 Any Cowboys or Eagles fan that strolls past this thread surely cannot help but laugh. Giving up the statistically best WR in the league should make them question authority. The Bills gave up the statistically worst LT in the league and got picks for it, we gave up 0 draft picks for TO. Good job Russ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 This topic absolutely needs to be discussed. What does 2010 look like for the WR core with TO off the roster? The Bills are back to square one unless you see Hardy/Johnson as a legit #2, which is far from proven. So the decision comes down to - do you put something in place now assuming a best case scenario with TO's behavior/production or do you hope he will want to re-sign with the Bills coming off a best case scenario year? I think it would be important to understand the impact of the decision. First, can the Bills receive compensation picks when he leaves. If so, what are we looking at? Second, if the Bills wanted to keep TO after the season, is the franchise tag on the table? If so, what does that figure look like? If that is $10-12 million and the Bills can't get compensatory picks, then looking at adding a one-year extension at 8-9 million, non-guaranteed, protects you that you might lose the best #2 receiving option available next year (or be forced to spend a high draft pick on an unproven WR). If you wanted to franchise him next year it would end up costing you more than locking him up now. It also protects you if he busts because you can cut him at season's end and not owe him on any 2010 money. How can a scenario like this not be explored again? From what I've read, the Bills can use the FT on TO after the season. This past off-season the tender was $9.88M, but with just Antonio Bryant getting it and Housh getting $8M a year, I can see that number falling, and at worst staying the same next year. If TO has a great season and/or Johnson and/or Hardy (and/or Fagg and/or someone else) fail to step-up, I don't think that $10M on TO is a bad investment. And one-year deals might be the best way to make sure he stay in-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 TO on a one year deal is good. 1) he's 35 - Players tend to hit a wall at around this age. Their production can drop of bigtime. Marvin Harrison anyone? 2) His work ethic and experience at WR will rub off on everyone. Including Lee Evans. 3) His stats speak for themself. just having him on a field is enough to help any offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 People are missing the biggest issue. The 2010 season has no salary cap. If the 3 consecutive year 7-9 Bills make a playoff run with a "well behaved" Terrell Owens who puts up solid numbers. He immediately goes out to the highest bidder on a 1-yr monster contract ($10-$15mm) where the Bills will not match. If he plays poorly and/or acts up, he will call it quits at the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 People are missing the biggest issue. The 2010 season has no salary cap. If the 3 consecutive year 7-9 Bills make a playoff run with a "well behaved" Terrell Owens who puts up solid numbers. He immediately goes out to the highest bidder on a 1-yr monster contract ($10-$15mm) where the Bills will not match. If he plays poorly and/or acts up, he will call it quits at the end of the year. If the Bills have a high level of success, the team most likely to pay him the most will be in worse shape. At that point is what kind of person TO is, success or cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 If the Bills have a high level of success, the team most likely to pay him the most will be in worse shape. At that point is what kind of person TO is, success or cash. He wants success and cash. With no cap, teams like the Redskins who are on the playoff brink and deep pockets will pay through the nose (a la the Yankees) to put together a championship team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 People are missing the biggest issue. The 2010 season has no salary cap. If the 3 consecutive year 7-9 Bills make a playoff run with a "well behaved" Terrell Owens who puts up solid numbers. He immediately goes out to the highest bidder on a 1-yr monster contract ($10-$15mm) where the Bills will not match. If he plays poorly and/or acts up, he will call it quits at the end of the year. Again, they could use the franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach55 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Again, they could use the franchise tag. I wouldn't be surprised if he negotiated a "no franchise" clause in his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 If we win with T.O. and T.O. likes the team and the city (whichever Buffalo or Toronto) and if the Bills show him the money, why wouldn't he stay? Right now this is purgatory for Owens. Play your way out of Buffalo. But a lot can change in a year. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I wouldn't be surprised if he negotiated a "no franchise" clause in his contract. One of the reporters mentioned that it was unlikely he had one in his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewHampshireBillsFan Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why not just enjoy (hopefully) what TO brings to the Bills in 2009 and think about 2010 after this season. If everything goes great this year with TO and the Bills it might work out that he would be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKOOBY Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 Why not just enjoy (hopefully) what TO brings to the Bills in 2009 and think about 2010 after this season. If everything goes great this year with TO and the Bills it might work out that he would be back. We need long-term viability to keep the Bills in Buffalo. Someone will pay for a SB winning / recently competitive team to stay but a losing franchise is weaker and more likely to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfreak Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 One year is plenty. Look at his track record, his first year everywhere has pretty much gone without a hitch. After the first year though, he has worn out his welcome and destroyed locker rooms everywhere he has been. One year is risky enough as it is for a young team, more than one would be foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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