MadBuffaloDisease Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 One question for those who know. In the nickel/dime, does the FS continue as a FS would in a standard package, or does/can he play more as a DB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 You all realize that this is now going to be a 4 million a year safety right? We can couple that with the big money Lawyer is getting. We now have WAY too much money tied up in that area. Vincent was a mistake if we are moving him to safety already in my opinion. The goal was to get two good years out of him at CB then try moving him to safety if he was showing his age. Here we are in week 9 of his first year here and he will be our new safety. Not good. 101905[/snapback] BF...TV isn't making 4 mill per. It's more like 2. something I think. It really ended up being a cap friendly designed contract with the intent on him moving to safety. Like I say above....how much is it worth to take away the deep ball? how much is it worth NOT to give up stupid TD's because our inept safetys are out of position. Well worth the investment brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 One question for those who know. In the nickel/dime, does the FS continue as a FS would in a standard package, or does/can he play more as a DB? 101910[/snapback] He tends to be more of a DB in the dime. We have specific CB's to run the nickel. in the Nickel he would still be in a free safety mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesir Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 BF...TV isn't making 4 mill per. It's more like 2. something I think. It really ended up being a cap friendly designed contract with the intent on him moving to safety. Like I say above....how much is it worth to take away the deep ball? how much is it worth NOT to give up stupid TD's because our inept safetys are out of position. Well worth the investment brother! 101912[/snapback] I was just about to post this, he signed for a little over 2 mil a year WITH his signing bonus. I think thats a bargain for a veteran safety who can tudor some of the young CBs on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BF_in_Indiana Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 BF...TV isn't making 4 mill per. It's more like 2. something I think. It really ended up being a cap friendly designed contract with the intent on him moving to safety. Like I say above....how much is it worth to take away the deep ball? how much is it worth NOT to give up stupid TD's because our inept safetys are out of position. Well worth the investment brother! 101912[/snapback] I was thinking his contract was something like 6 years 23 million. Maybe I'm off here? I have no doubt he can make plays at safety, that much is fine, but it's clearly an error in judgement by TD in signing him if we are already moving him to saftey. I pmed you ICE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 wow, i was thinking what this means to our team. if vincent is as good at safety as we all think he is, this adds a whole new dimension to our defense. we already have an amazing run defense, now our pass defense will just be sick. i'm not sure if we'll need to blitz ever, just send the front four in and make the offense deal with it. they wont be able to run or pass. nothing will get by us. that is... if he is as good at FS as we all think he will. not even having gilbride calling the plays could mess up this defense, we cant lose. 101909[/snapback] EEEEEEExactly! yeah try to throw deep bastards! Anyone realise that with the DL having confidence the deep ball won't connect as well, they can bring the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theesir Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I was thinking his contract was something like 6 years 23 million. Maybe I'm off here? I have no doubt he can make plays at safety, that much is fine, but it's clearly an error in judgement by TD in signing him if we are already moving him to saftey. I pmed you ICE. 101919[/snapback] Do you think he was actually signed with the expectation that he would play as a CB until he was 36 or 37? He was signed to move to Safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I believe it 100%. Like AD Said, the guy knows all of our calls at this point. TV doesn't have the deep speed he had the last couple of years. Slow? Hell no, but not quite quick enough like our younger players do. Let me ask you this....how many times this season (the NE game alone) was a Safety out of position and it led to a score? Do you really think from a mental standpoint and knowing our D that Vincent and Milloy will make those mistakes? Not a chance in hell my brother! I guarentee teams are grimmacing at Vincent being at Safety. The Deep ball has all but been taken away from opposing teams for awhile! 101902[/snapback] I agree that the safety position is a problem for us. But is the transition from CB to FS so seemless that it can be done with less than one week of practice? I have no idea--but I'd imagine even the smartest, most-skilled CB needs more time than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Do you think he was actually signed with the expectation that he would play as a CB until he was 36 or 37? He was signed to move to Safety. 101921[/snapback] I think it was for this year only as mcgee and the others improved. I think the injury made him and the coaches realise how badly we need him at safety. the thing is he will make the probowl with Milloy next year and he knows it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Besides rehabbing, what else do you think Vincent was doing with his time? I think that watching film and learning to call plays at FS is something he could conceivably have been working-on. And he's a professional and a Pro Bowler, and it's not like FS is rocket science, or that Vincent is dumb. 101900[/snapback] I heard he was trolling the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I agree that the safety position is a problem for us. But is the transition from CB to FS so seemless that it can be done with less than one week of practice? I have no idea--but I'd imagine even the smartest, most-skilled CB needs more time than that. 101927[/snapback] It may take a bit of time, and a few mistakes, but I don't think it's as hard as you think. As a CB, he has to know what the FS is doing (what the play is designed for him to do) on every play. I have no doubt that TV knows the plays. He may make some some bad judgment calls while he is getting used to the position, but he won't be as bad as Coy Wire is at Safety. Once he gets used to the position, he will be very good. Expect too see the INT numbers get a nice bump from this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I agree that the safety position is a problem for us. But is the transition from CB to FS so seemless that it can be done with less than one week of practice? I have no idea--but I'd imagine even the smartest, most-skilled CB needs more time than that. 101927[/snapback] I agree with others he has been watching film so that helps. I would have to guess it is easier. No real man to man stuff, just do your assignment and protect your area. BTW....I wanna see a TV "We must protect this house" Commercial! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 It may take a bit of time, and a few mistakes, but I don't think it's as hard as you think.As a CB, he has to know what the FS is doing (what the play is designed for him to do) on every play. I have no doubt that TV knows the plays. He may make some some bad judgment calls while he is getting used to the position, but he won't be as bad as Coy Wire is at Safety. Once he gets used to the position, he will be very good. Expect too see the INT numbers get a nice bump from this move. 101950[/snapback] Hey Bear, can you see our OL and LB's licking their chops knowing "Over the top" is now much safer? Swwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Hey Bear, can you see our OL and LB's licking their chops knowing "Over the top" is now much safer? Swwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeet! 101957[/snapback] I don't know about the OL, but the DL will have some fun. I know one thing, the biggest problem with our 2nd ranked defense was giving up too many 3rd down conversions. We may have just solved that. Look out Washington, your #1 spot is in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICE Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I don't know about the OL, but the DL will have some fun. I know one thing, the biggest problem with our 2nd ranked defense was giving up too many 3rd down conversions. We may have just solved that. Look out Washington, your #1 spot is in trouble. 101963[/snapback] Damn it, Damn it, Damn it! I hate when I type too fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 This is just another example of TD and his ego costing the Bills a lot of money. How much money are we now paying our SAFETIES???? 101768[/snapback] You continue to astound with your posting wisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I agree that the safety position is a problem for us. But is the transition from CB to FS so seemless that it can be done with less than one week of practice? I have no idea--but I'd imagine even the smartest, most-skilled CB needs more time than that. 101927[/snapback] A FS is the "QB" of the secondary, and a "centerfielder." Vincent has the skills to be a "centerfielder" and he's smart, savvy, a veteran, and probably knows the play-calls down cold. I don't think he'll have much of a problem, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodnarb Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 Here's the Deal on Vincent's contract: http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=19321 an average of 2.8 million thru 2009. I doubt he'll play thru the contract, but it locks up a very good football player and KNOWLEDGE AND CHARACTER SOURCE on this team for the price of an average NFL CB. In other words, it's a good contract for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gross Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 You continue to astound with your posting wisdom 101968[/snapback] Leave him alone, he's probably drunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndZoneCrew Posted November 4, 2004 Share Posted November 4, 2004 I pmed you ICE. 101919[/snapback] ICE....he's not asking you to meet him at a reststop is he???? ....j/k BF...I just can't hold back on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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