2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Speaking of course about Denney, Kelsay and Schobel. I'm not saying this means everything will be okay as long as they're healthy. Two out of these three guys are seemingly awful, and Schobel is an unknown these days. But if the three of them all finally stay healthy this year, perhaps there is just a small scrap of hope for the pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Speaking of course about Denney, Kelsay and Schobel. I'm not saying this means everything will be okay as long as they're healthy. Two out of these three guys are seemingly awful, and Schobel is an unknown these days. But if the three of them all finally stay healthy this year, perhaps there is just a small scrap of hope for the pass rush. All the more reason to have adequate depth along the defensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Speaking of course about Denney, Kelsay and Schobel. I'm not saying this means everything will be okay as long as they're healthy. Two out of these three guys are seemingly awful, and Schobel is an unknown these days. But if the three of them all finally stay healthy this year, perhaps there is just a small scrap of hope for the pass rush. First time I've seen that stat...good find Boone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Speaking of course about Denney, Kelsay and Schobel. I'm not saying this means everything will be okay as long as they're healthy. Two out of these three guys are seemingly awful, and Schobel is an unknown these days. But if the three of them all finally stay healthy this year, perhaps there is just a small scrap of hope for the pass rush. There's only ONE legit pass rusher in that group, and that is Schobel. That won't cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 There's only ONE legit pass rusher in that group, and that is Schobel. That won't cut it. Yes only one good pass rusher in the group and the group is not uptrending. Quite the contrary I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rev.Mattb74 ESQ. Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Schobel hasnt been good in years, blame the injuries if you want. If you are expecting a 32 YO DE to suddnely stay healthy and get sacks something he hasnt done in three years, I think we are fooling ourselves. All three must go, if I had to keep one it would be Denney, because he actually fits as a good third or fourth DE coming in to play the run. Kelsy has never been starting material, not good enough in any one area to be a situtaional player. Schobel is older, slower, and constanly gets hurt he has become a marginal player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Speaking of course about Denney, Kelsay and Schobel. I'm not saying this means everything will be okay as long as they're healthy. Two out of these three guys are seemingly awful, and Schobel is an unknown these days. But if the three of them all finally stay healthy this year, perhaps there is just a small scrap of hope for the pass rush. Honestly, I can't recall a team like BUF that had only fair DEs, who proceeded to seldom draft ones in recent years...even in the lower rounds, and moreover didn't draft or buy a LB or two who could - possibly be - convertible to the DE position. And pretty much buying into lightweight fleas at the LB spots - and insisting on their DBs sitting in coverage in the backfield. Corner, safety blitzes have been known to work, upon occasion... Yeah - they finished 14 or so in overall def. ranking, moved up from the near bottom. So did CIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Schobel hasnt been good in years, blame the injuries if you want. If you are expecting a 32 YO DE to suddnely stay healthy and get sacks something he hasnt done in three years, I think we are fooling ourselves. All three must go, if I had to keep one it would be Denney, because he actually fits as a good third or fourth DE coming in to play the run. Kelsy has never been starting material, not good enough in any one area to be a situtaional player. Schobel is older, slower, and constanly gets hurt he has become a marginal player. Come on Rev, didn't Jason Taylor win Defensive Player of the Year when he was 32? Also, I don't think you can discount Boone's arguement either. I'm not saying the position couldn't use an upgrade - because it could - I'm just saying that to say that the two starters should be cut so that two players who aren't on the team right now can start, is a bit ridiculous. I like the idea of keeping the top four, cutting Copeland Bryant, and drafting some one who can take over fo rKelsey either this year, next, or certainly after he is an FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Honestly, I can't recall a team like BUF that had only fair DEs, who proceeded to seldom draft ones in recent years...even in the lower rounds, and moreover didn't draft or buy a LB or two who could - possibly be - convertible to the DE position. And pretty much buying into lightweight fleas at the LB spots - and insisting on their DBs sitting in coverage in the backfield. Corner, safety blitzes have been known to work, upon occasion... Yeah - they finished 14 or so in overall def. ranking, moved up from the near bottom. So did CIN. The Bills moved up from the bottom to average, and they did this with the SECOND easiest schedule last year. With a theoretically stiffer schedule next season, the Bills will need a stronger pass rush just to remain average. Meanwhile, the sad sack offense is still wallowing in the depths of he** with no real expectations of it moving upward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidas Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Schobel hasnt been good in years, blame the injuries if you want. If you are expecting a 32 YO DE to suddnely stay healthy and get sacks something he hasnt done in three years, I think we are fooling ourselves. All three must go, if I had to keep one it would be Denney, because he actually fits as a good third or fourth DE coming in to play the run. Kelsy has never been starting material, not good enough in any one area to be a situtaional player. Schobel is older, slower, and constanly gets hurt he has become a marginal player. Right on. Schobel will be three years removed from a double-digit sack season. We should go get Hargrove back, work on C. Ellis, draft E. Brown or Orakpo or trade for J. Peppers, and consider a late-round pass-rushing specialist like Lawrence Sidbury, Jr. out of Richmond in this year's draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Speaking of course about Denney, Kelsay and Schobel. I'm not saying this means everything will be okay as long as they're healthy. Two out of these three guys are seemingly awful, and Schobel is an unknown these days. But if the three of them all finally stay healthy this year, perhaps there is just a small scrap of hope for the pass rush. I assume you're talking about 06 the year Denney had 3 sacks in one game in week 2 against miami Then went 9 games before recording his next sack. Followed up by a 2 sack effort the next week against the jets. Went the last 3 games without a sack. Or Chris Kelsays "breakout year" 5 sacks in the first 7 games, followed up by a meager half sack in the last 9 Between the 2nd half of 2006- 08 Kelsay has attributed 5 sacks in the last 39 games Denney in the last 32 games (since he missed 7 games in 07) has 8 sacks in the last 32 games Schobel in his last 30 games 16.5 sacks Going off this. If we get lucky maybe in a 2 year time span if they stay healthy they can reach that infamous 06 plateau. The one where people still complained about our lack of a pass rush as the season wore on, outside of Schobel. I don't know who you're trying to convince. Yourself or others, that maybe complete scrubs like Kelsay and Denney can be good if Schobel returns to form. The odds of a group of 3 30+ dends with only 1 pass rusher, can anchor a defensive system are slim-none. All 3 spots eventually need to be upgraded. For now I think it's more then fair that chris kelsay if not cut, is shown the bench, with a very reduced role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 If I were overly optimistic, I might theorize that the play of all three guys is lifted when they all play together. When they're all in the lineup, Schobel mans the right side and Denney and Kelsay rotate on the left side. This could improve both Denney's play and Kelsay's play in two ways: (1) each guy is kept fresher, by virtue of each individual playing less snaps, and (2) Perry Fewell is able to specialize the two of them, meaning its easier to put them into situations that play to their strengths. Someone pointed out that Schobel is 2 years removed from his last double-digit sack season. If I were overly optimistic, I might theorize that he just needs both Denney and Kelsay to be healthy. That last double-digit sack season was indeed 2006, the last time the three of them were healthy for an extended run. As I said above, Denney and Kelsay both being in the lineup might raise the play of each of them, meaning the left side might present more of a threat to the offense. That might open things up for Schobel, and could be why his game has fallen off since '06. Personally, I don't think I'm overly optimistic, so I DON'T buy into my own theory. Kelsay and Denney just don't pass the eye test to me...I don't want a rotation that exists mainly because neither guy is good enough to play every down. And I want a more explosive player in that spot than either of those guys could ever possibly be. But, even though I'm wearing my realist hat, I have to acknowledge this little theory of mine can not be PROVEN wrong. This means that, no matter how realistic or cynical I might be, I must admit that there is at least a small chance that this theory is on-point, and our pass rush stands to improve significantly over last year's embarrassment. In other words...there is a little bit of hope here. God forbid, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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