The Big Cat Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Your over-arching opinions aren't worth much salt... http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2008121...70345/1055/NEWS Would you like an insider's perspective? Or are you just busting my chops? Bulk salt in Illinois went from $45/ton to $181 in some parts. And for good reason. Well not "good," but certainly not nefarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 The last time I checked it was 2008. Last time I checked, you were a FNG and I could give a flying sh-- about your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Last time I checked, you were a FNG and I could give a flying sh-- about your opinion. FNG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Critiquing the present day relevance of the term "hippie" automatically makes one a hippie? Well then I suppose that I'm not only a hippie but also a Zippie, a Beatnik, a Mod, a Greaser, and a Pachucho. Sorry, but none of those decided to make it their life calling to enter the political arena and influence others by other than art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodBye Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Typical hippies. Don't want salt to leech into a salt water estuary? Love the "We're going to clear the roads enough for only the environment killing SUVs to pass" mentality. That's awesome. Why don't they just dig the salt from Puget Sound and use that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodBye Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 FNG? Google it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 The communities where I lived outside of Boston, and on Long Island didn't use salt on the roads, either. They used sand (on occasion) which does very little (helps traction for a short period of time). I don't think Seattle gets the amount of snow of NE, but I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 The last time I checked it was 2008. Darrin is like Cartman. He hates hippies and sees them everywhere. The only place with any legit hippies, these days, is San Francisco. I think they get paid by the city to be there, as a tourist attraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Ice-melting salt? How does that work? Like a charm, actually. Take some salt (any salt will do, but the big rock salt made for deicing is best), sprinkle it on the ice, and watch. Better yet (in my experience) put the salt down on the sidewalk and steps just before they are about to freeze (or before a big storm) and you will see you have much less to shovel or scrape. How does it work? Pretty simply, actually: http://www.howstuffworks.com/question58.htm http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/1...melts-ice.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Like a charm, actually. Take some salt (any salt will do, but the big rock salt made for deicing is best), sprinkle it on the ice, and watch. Better yet (in my experience) put the salt down on the sidewalk and steps just before they are about to freeze (or before a big storm) and you will see you have much less to shovel or scrape. How does it work? Pretty simply, actually: http://www.howstuffworks.com/question58.htm http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/1...melts-ice.shtml I know how salt works, by lowering the freezing point of the water. My sugar comment earlier was tounge in cheek, but true. You can use any substance that dissolves in water. I didn't realize they combined it with Calcium, or that that would make a difference. I looked it up, and as the salt dissolves, the calcium produces heat that will actually melt already frozen ice. Only works on ice that is about 15 F or above though. Sorry, didn't read the links you provided yet, so I may have just repeated that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCal Aaron Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Darrin is like Cartman. He hates hippies and sees them everywhere. The only place with any legit hippies, these days, is San Francisco. I think they get paid by the city to be there, as a tourist attraction. There are no hippies in Ess EF. They're all in Marin and or growing in Humboldt. The trustfund babes standing outside the Gap on Haight are a just a mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Really? So what's the modern equivalent for describing people like you? Old and smelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 There are no hippies in Ess EF. They're all in Marin and or growing in Humboldt. The trustfund babes standing outside the Gap on Haight are a just a mirage. Well, there were when I was there. While they are being displaced, there were still plenty left on Haight St. The people you refer to in Humboldt are farmers and entrepreneurs! (And that God for them!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Last time I checked, you were a FNG and I could give a flying sh-- about your opinion. As opposed to the rest of us, who's acceptance you regularly defer to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 They're waiting for Global Warming, Carbon Footprints, Old Starbucks and Grunge to melt it! Maybe Mike Holmgren could come up with an idea. After all he is a GENIUS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 You know the locks (Chittenden Locks) between the Puget and Lake Washington (Lake Washington Ship Canal) actually takes the salt water and recycles the water back that would normally bleed into Lake Washington (freshwater) on upbound lockages. I can understand the above but, with regards to a freak snowstorm every so many years... Those people are wacko up there... A little salt on the roads in not going to hurt. And what? Don't they have new techniques that puts a brine solution on the roads?... It uses tremoundously less salt and is equally effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Oh... This reminds me of my stupid neighbors... They won't shovel for the life of them... Every once in a while you hear a car driving back and forth... So you look out the window and see that they would literally be driving up and down their driveway to "pack the snow down." Phucking retards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Why don't they just dig the salt from Puget Sound and use that? Better yet... Just use a brine soultion on the roads BEFORE the storm hits... It is very effective and use much less salt... Like I said, the locks takes the brackish water and and sends it BACK to the Puget... And they are worried about over salinating the ocean... Salt water barrier If excessive salt water were allowed to migrate into Salmon Bay, the salt could eventually damage the freshwater ecosystem. To prevent this, a basin was dredged just above (east of) the large lock. The heavier salt water settles into the basin and drains through a pipe discharging downstream of the locks area. In 1975, the saltwater drain was modified to divert some salt water from the basin to the fish ladder, where it is added via a diffuser to the fish ladder attraction water; see below. To further restrict saltwater intrusion, in 1966 a hinged barrier was installed just upstream of the large lock. This hollow metal barrier is filled with air to remain in the upright position, blocking the heavier salt water. When necessary to accommodate deep-draft vessels, the barrier is flooded and sinks to the bottom of the chamber. Why don't they use this brine solution to spray on the roads BEFORE the storms hit? How many of these storms do they actually get... It won't make a difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 Anybody see Chicago/NE IL/NW IN this morning? Thank God it is as flat as a pancake out here! There was an empty tanker (semi) trying to get up what had to be a 1/4% grade on the expressway this morning (from a stand still)... Literally I could have ice skated to work and they use salt out here... The real problem are the idiots that go too fast and crowd everybody else... Oh well... I guess I would have had to pull out the tire chains and wheel chocks if I lived on a hill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirdborn Posted December 26, 2008 Share Posted December 26, 2008 How often does Seattle get a crippling snow storm? Every 10, 15 years? Evidently, the city will let people crash and get injured before adding salinity to saline Puget Sound... Seattle: No to salt, yes to snow-packed roads By Susan Kelleher, The Seattle Times 12/23/08 "SEATTLE -- To hear the city's spin, Seattle's road crews are making "great progress" in clearing the ice-caked streets. But it turns out "plowed streets" in Seattle actually means "snow-packed," as in there's snow and ice left on major arterials by design. 'We're trying to create a hard-packed surface," said Alex Wiggins, chief of staff for the Seattle Department of Transportation. "It doesn't look like anything you'd find in Chicago or New York." The city's approach means crews clear the roads enough for all-wheel and four-wheel-drive vehicles, or those with front-wheel drive cars as long as they are using chains, Wiggins said. The icy streets are the result of Seattle's refusal to use salt, an effective ice-buster used by the state Department of Transportation and cities accustomed to dealing with heavy winter snows. "If we were using salt, you'd see patches of bare road because salt is very effective," Wiggins said. "We decided not to utilize salt because it's not a healthy addition to Puget Sound.'."... http://www.yakimaherald.com/stories/2008/1...ow-packed-roads The run off from the salted roads, would kill the once depleted salmon runs. There is rarely a winter storm like the one we are experiencing now. Maybe if people knew how to drive in all weather, there wouldn't be so many people whining. Oh yeah, and they might want to pick up a shovel as well. My hippy prius gets me around in the snow and ice just fine ..... I am from Buffalo though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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