pBills Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Would the irresponsible institution be the company as well as the union contract? Did I ever say that the industry was fine before September? I grew up in a town that once employed THOUSANDS of workers and now has maybe half of that workforce in place. You don't have to tell me that the industry has been going down hill. In regards to your economy 101 - yes, of course things can be made cheaper overseas. Of course in many of those places overseas the wages are not fair, health care is covered by the government, etc., etc. Pretty soon your economy 101 will soon be affecting every U.S. company unless something is done. Why do you need to know exactly how much I pay for health insurance? Frankly it's none of your business. I pay x amount per month... point is that I PAY for me and my family to be covered. And it is MUCH better than when I worked for a non-union company when I was told that I would have to drop over $1,000 per month to cover my family. That is ridiculous. I work within a International Union. I see union contracts and arbitration settlements almost daily. Ok, so you have seen what happens when there is a lack management foresight and direction... but yet you keep arguing with me that it's mainly the unions fault. And NO KD health care coverage is not free. It's at a cheaper rate. I know this for a fact. I have union health care coverage, do you? No. So maybe you heard someone or read on some blog that all union people get free insurance. It's wrong. Our whole staff pays into their coverage per month. Favorite strawman - it's the truth.. incompetent management, exec comp, no accountability for failure, etc. Will most certainly bring a company down faster than the worker. After all, they are paid the big bucks to lead right? Instead many are rewarded for their failures or promises they can't deliver. The ones that are screwed are the workers... they are first ones to lose their jobs. I have had jobs on both sides as well. I understand that both sides have issues that need to be corrected. I just don't have the hatred that you have towards one side. And when are you sending me your money - I have held MANY managerial positions outside of the union. I'm not to sure if some union brother screwed you over in the past... but get over it. Those other industries I talk about are like Walmart. Probably a great company to you, yet they decimate small businesses, treat workers unfairly, import more from China than some nations, have suits against them for labor violations, etc., etc. Unions protect workers from being treated unfairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 No are you talking about 73 per hour as double time? Because I don't any UAW members making that much unless it double time. The problem with any union contract is that costs provided within are skyrocketing... example: health care. Not the wages. you will read my post carefully--you will see that I said wages/benefits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 you will read my post carefully--you will see that I said wages/benefits my bad. just used to everyone saying $70 per hour not including benefit packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUBillsFan Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 And NO KD health care coverage is not free. It's at a cheaper rate. I know this for a fact. I have union health care coverage, do you? No. So maybe you heard someone or read on some blog that all union people get free insurance. It's wrong. Our whole staff pays into their coverage per month. Well I know when I had union Health coverage it was free, that was Health, vision and dental, for the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 my bad. just used to everyone saying $70 per hour not including benefit packages. No prob....I know the feeling.....like when people only mention fed taxes as THE tax rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Well I know when I had union Health coverage it was free, that was Health, vision and dental, for the family. What your monthly/yearly dues if you don't mind me asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUBillsFan Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 What your monthly/yearly dues if you don't mind me asking? $8.95/mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Well I know when I had union Health coverage it was free, that was Health, vision and dental, for the family. My company offers free health coverage. Our dues? Zero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 My company offers free health coverage. Our dues? Zero. nothing is free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 nothing is free The employees pay nothing. So to them it's free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 $8.95/mo What union is that with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 What union is that with? WTF dude. You keeping tabs? Talk about a tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 WTF dude. You keeping tabs? Talk about a tool. How about a freakin question... ok with you? Talk about a tool. I work for a union, we do not have that deal. Wondering who does ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 How about a freakin question... ok with you? Talk about a tool. I work for a union, we do not have that deal. Wondering who does ok? Do you guys get a decoder ring too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Do you guys get a decoder ring too? Wow you're a D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Do you guys get a decoder ring too? Since he's in a union, he has to buy the box of Cracker Jacks first, to get the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Wow you're a D. Yes, and a card carrying one at that. Did you get the secret handshake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Since he's in a union, he has to buy the box of Cracker Jacks first, to get the ring. Wow now THAT was the best post of the day. Maybe week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 Well, you've blamed everything that's happened over the past eight years on Clinton, so I'm not surprised to see you're already ramping up to blame Obama 60 days before he even takes office. Yet another of your ilk's well-known attack side step deflections hoping that nobody notices the diversion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 21, 2008 Share Posted November 21, 2008 My company offers free health coverage. Our dues? Zero. All of my employees receive full health benefits for them and their family at no cost to them. We belong to the Local 36 United Brotherhood of People Who Can Take Care of Themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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