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Does it bother anyone else how politicians need to be able to express their faith in order to be elected? Wouldn't it be great if McCain or Obama got up there and said, "Look Rick, I only go to church every week because my wife makes me but I'd really rather be home watching NFL Countdown. I don't need to be lectured every sunday on how I'm going to hell." They'd have my vote!

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That the candidates both feel the need to give JC a public BJ is horrific. We've had non-Christians, non-practicing, and probably borderline atheists as presidents before. Some were our best presidents. Hard to believe we've slipped into these dark ages.

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I like this forum idea...but I don't like the pandering.

 

As a person of devout faith, I think it's important to know the faith of someone who I would vote for. It is not the be-all and end-all, but it is one element. Worship is, by and large, a private matter, but I do feel the responsibility to share my faith.

 

Through my actions, much more so, than my words.

 

It would be great if the candidates could be more honest (like the "NFL Countdown" reference), but we're not going to get that out of any political candidate...and I honestly believe McCain is the one who would come the closest to saying that.

 

The founding fathers were deists, by and large (comparable to modern-day Unitarians), and many of those who were evangelical of the day (circa 1776) were actually against the formation of the United States, stating that it was not our place to separate from England, go our own way, and become our own nation. The evangelical churches of that day were far more concerned with the salvation of mankind than of forming a "Christian nation".

 

Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, but it wasn't founded by Christians. There's a difference. Look at the Constitution and the Declaration of Indepence, which recognize a "Creator" but don't mention God by name.

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I like this forum idea...but I don't like the pandering.

 

As a person of devout faith, I think it's important to know the faith of someone who I would vote for. It is not the be-all and end-all, but it is one element. Worship is, by and large, a private matter, but I do feel the responsibility to share my faith.

 

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Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, but it wasn't founded by Christians. There's a difference. Look at the Constitution and the Declaration of Indepence, which recognize a "Creator" but don't mention God by name.

 

I've seen you post here before and expected the exact opposite response to this thread from you. That's a logically well-stated position. Not one I'm in 100% agreement with but it's sensible and I wish other Christians mimicked you instead of others.

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That the candidates both feel the need to give JC a public BJ is horrific. We've had non-Christians, non-practicing, and probably borderline atheists as presidents before. Some were our best presidents. Hard to believe we've slipped into these dark ages.

 

What's scary is that for a lot of believers (whatever their faith may be), there is no way someone not sharing their faith may have the good values and/or qualities to be a good President...

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"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

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I have to give credit to Obama for participating, it was like walking into the lion's den as a liberal and he also prob p!ssed off a bunch of liberal supporters (who will vote for him anyways) but in the end I don't think he prob helped himself much, if anything McCain prob strengthened his "base". In the end, although he can show his faith, Obama is a liberal that stands for issues that tick off evangelists.

 

Then again, maybe folks turned the TV off after Obama and went to bed....

 

Biggest Gaffs:

 

Obama - after being asked why he wants to be president...10 seconds of "uh...uh...uh"

 

McCain - When talking about Russia, he kept screwing up the countries, making him look old and forgetful

 

Obama - Saying Clarence Thomas didn't have the qualifications to be a Supreme Court Justice...uh...folks say the same about you...

 

McCain - Pandering faith...he was a little too over the top and you could tell he was trying to push faith, where Obama was much more natural.

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Don't know why some are so scared by religion. The candidates chose to participate, they weren't forced to.

 

I'm scared by people who feel need to parade their religion publicly. I'm also scared by an electorate that wants to know its public officials religious views, and have those views paraded publicly.

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I'm scared by people who feel need to parade their religion publicly. I'm also scared by an electorate that wants to know its public officials religious views, and have those views paraded publicly.

 

If you're so scared, move to another country that prohibits religion.

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Religion was at the root of 9/11.

 

Pardon me if I'm less than thrilled by it.

 

Politics was at the root of 9/11. Politics and all it touches for people in the the M.E. Religion was just a tool to recruit those to carry out a political agenda.

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I'm scared by people who feel need to parade their religion publicly. I'm also scared by an electorate that wants to know its public officials religious views, and have those views paraded publicly.

 

You know what's weird is that on Wikipedia politicians have their religion listed in their little data box thing like football players have for their college and draft history.

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