John Adams Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 He proposed a bill allowing illegal aliens who are gang members to become citizens. Check. I am wondering if that's the way the bill is worded. His immigration stance is not exactly aligned with mine. But I'm not as hard-lined as others. Immigration, like abortion (and space exploration on his "issues page), is not one of my hot buttons this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I just wish the Conservative movement (small gov't, lower taxes, less gov't intervention) was strong enough that it didn't need to be bedfellows with the religious Right. The religious big-motherment side of the Reps that legislates morality is frankly a lot scarier to me than the Dem version of motherment that spends us into oblivion in social welfare programs. I am leaning McCain at this point. I like him better than Bush, Bush, Kerry, or Gore. He's the only candidate who's a free trader. Check. He's the best of all 3 for saying no to special interests. Check. el oh el. Mister Adams, do you really expect any of them to stop? This is a BAD way to determine a candidate. He (reluctantly) wants to keep the Bush tax cuts. Check. Does he want to spend more than he takes in? Check. Sorry, can't vote for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 el oh el. Mister Adams, do you really expect any of them to stop? This is a BAD way to determine a candidate. He has a record. I like that. Does he want to spend more than he takes in? Check. Sorry, can't vote for him. I haven't see his budget proposal. Nor have you. Vote for who you want. No candidate is perfect. That's human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I am wondering if that's the way the bill is worded. His immigration stance is not exactly aligned with mine. But I'm not as hard-lined as others. Immigration, like abortion (and space exploration on his "issues page), is not one of my hot buttons this time around. Truthfully, I didn't read the bill and learned of this on the radio (probably Laura Ingraham). Supposedly, if a person had a misdemeanor and renounced their gang in any language, said person could become a citizen. I cannot support this stance and will probably not vote, for the first time in decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I haven't see his budget proposal. Nor have you. Don't need to. He's a Republican - he won't balance the budget. Vote for who you want. No candidate is perfect. That's human nature. If you keep votin' for em, they'll keep on being the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Truthfully, I didn't read the bill and learned of this on the radio (probably Laura Ingraham). Supposedly, if a person had a misdemeanor and renounced their gang in any language, said person could become a citizen. I cannot support this stance and will probably not vote, for the first time in decades. McCain-Kennedy Bill of 2005 Don't see anything that reads remotely like that...though admittedly, I only scanned the bill quickly. And there are two later bills, the content of which I do not know, that are based on the McCain-Kennedy bill...but I don't beileve either of those was introduced by McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 If you keep votin' for em, they'll keep on being the same. I see McCain as less of "em" than others. If I vote for McCain, it will be the second time I've ever voted for a major party candidate in a pres election. The point being that the party I agree with the most--Libertarians--are obnoxiously unrealistic in their plans. I can't stomach them at times, and this is one of those times. So I lean towards McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Obama hates Pennsylvanians.... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Obama hates Pennsylvanians.... :lol: Who doesn't? Buncha gun-toting bitter religious kooks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...a-explains.html We already knew GW hates black people, but it appears Mr Congeniality is not to fond of people from the state where I was born and raised. He said something like bitter people often cling to guns and religion, right? (Not sure anyone has the exact quote--seems like the two articles I read were paraphrasing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 He said something like bitter people often cling to guns and religion, right? (Not sure anyone has the exact quote--seems like the two articles I read were paraphrasing.) "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." So they're acting like "typical white people"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Hmm. He and Hill are anti-free trade so is he bitter too? I really see this as less of an issue than it's made out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Hmm. He and Hill are anti-free trade so is he bitter too? I really see this as less of an issue than it's made out to be. Not an issue? That's quite a stereotype of people living in rural areas. Would love to see a white politician say something similar about black city folk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Not an issue? That's quite a stereotype of people living in rural areas. Would love to see a white politician say something similar about black city folk. Is small town America largely: (1) pro-gun (2) anti-free trade (3) religious? And I've heard plenty of white politicians make generalizations about the "plight of the inner city" (read: blacks). Whenever someone tries to paint with too broad a brush, they piss some people off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 Is small town America largely: (1) pro-gun (2) anti-free trade (3) religious? And I've heard plenty of white politicians make generalizations about the "plight of the inner city" (read: blacks). Whenever someone tries to paint with too broad a brush, they piss some people off. You forgot that part about being bitter. Calling someone bitter is not very flattering in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I love Hillary... How dare you Obama. Ooops, my senior Adviser was just making deals with Columbia. I hate guns, I love guns. I love Walmart, I hate Walmart I love Blue Collar people and Labor, I Love NAFTA, I have NAFTA. I wish she would just make up her mind so I would know which Hillary to dislike more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I love Hillary... How dare you Obama. Ooops, my senior Adviser was just making deals with Columbia. I hate guns, I love guns. I love Walmart, I hate Walmart I love Blue Collar people and Labor, I Love NAFTA, I have NAFTA. I wish she would just make up her mind so I would know which Hillary to dislike more. when your candidate fails, attempt to redirect topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I love Hillary... How dare you Obama. Ooops, my senior Adviser was just making deals with Columbia. I hate guns, I love guns. I love Walmart, I hate Walmart I love Blue Collar people and Labor, I Love NAFTA, I have NAFTA. I wish she would just make up her mind so I would know which Hillary to dislike more. All she needs is "a plan" and three Purple Hearts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 All she needs is "a plan" and three Purple Hearts... and a lock box............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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