Abstinance-only education is awesome

[Chilly]

From: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347669,00.html

 

Florida teens gravely misinformed about sex. Florida lawmakers are looking to overhaul their state’s sex education after learning that Florida teens believe that drinking a cap of bleach prevents HIV and a shot of Mountain Dew prevents pregnancy. The state, which is currently implementing abstinence-only sex education, has the sixth-highest teen pregnancy rate in the country.

[Steely Dan]

Just another example of how the religious right is ruining America. They are the minority in this country but because they turn out to the polls in greater numbers they can control states and the country.

 

People have to wake up to the dangers of these wackos and register to vote and put them down.

[SilverNRed]

Just another example of how the religious right is ruining America. They are the minority in this country but because they turn out to the polls in greater numbers they can control states and the country.

 

People have to wake up to the dangers of these wackos and register to vote and put them down.

In that case, you shouldn't be mad at the religious right for believing in something and then voting that way. You should be mad at the people who disagree with how they're "ruining America" but can't be bothered to get off their ass and vote.

 

I also think it's weird to blame the sex education in schools for these problems when parents could have a couple talks with their kids about this stuff (totalling less than 2 hours) and get the important information across. Oh, but that's yucky because parents aren't comfortable talking to their kids about sex.

 

(BTW, drinking bleach?? I can't believe one person, let alone many people, are that !@#$ing stupid.)

[UConn James]

I can't believe one person, let alone many people, are that !@#$ing stupid.

 

Apparently you don't interact much with the world at large.

[Chilly]

In that case, you shouldn't be mad at the religious right for believing in something and then voting that way. You should be mad at the people who disagree with how they're "ruining America" but can't be bothered to get off their ass and vote.

 

I also think it's weird to blame the sex education in schools for these problems when parents could have a couple talks with their kids about this stuff (totalling less than 2 hours) and get the important information across. Oh, but that's yucky because parents aren't comfortable talking to their kids about sex.

 

(BTW, drinking bleach?? I can't believe one person, let alone many people, are that !@#$ing stupid.)

 

The parents are, without a doubt, to blame as well. But good lord, when these kids are THIS f'ed up, SOMEONE needs to tell them.

 

Abstinence-only education from Parents + Abstinence-only education from the schools = kids using bleach as BC.

[Chef Jim]

Apparently you don't interact much with the world at large.

 

I guess neither do I.

[Steely Dan]

Just another example of how the religious right is ruining America. They are the minority in this country but because they turn out to the polls in greater numbers they can control states and the country.

 

People have to wake up to the dangers of these wackos and register to vote and put them down.

 

 

In that case, you shouldn't be mad at the religious right for believing in something and then voting that way. You should be mad at the people who disagree with how they're "ruining America" but can't be bothered to get off their ass and vote.

I also think it's weird to blame the sex education in schools for these problems when parents could have a couple talks with their kids about this stuff (totalling less than 2 hours) and get the important information across. Oh, but that's yucky because parents aren't comfortable talking to their kids about sex.

 

(BTW, drinking bleach?? I can't believe one person, let alone many people, are that !@#$ing stupid.)

 

Did you read the last sentence of my post?

[Alaska Darin]

Did you read the last sentence of my post?

Yeah. It's just the lucid amongst us don't believe you can beat ignorance with more of same.

[Keukasmallies]

So the schools are responsible for sex education, scoliosis screening, obesity awareness, gender and race sensitivity training; oh yeah, reading and that stuff.... Kind of reminds me of the performer trying to keep a whole lot of plates spinning on top of sticks spread across the stage--run ragged and in the end most of the plates fall and shatter.

 

Ya' gotta' love those schools...told to accomplish tomorrows objectives with yesterdays resources....

[OCinBuffalo]

(BTW, drinking bleach?? I can't believe one person, let alone many people, are that !@#$ing stupid.)

Apparently you don't interact much with the world at large.

Nah, I bet it's that he simply doesn't interact with people in Florida. When I was working there, I was proofed for buying a 12 of Coke(not that) twice in the same week by the same guy. And then it happened again at another store a week later. I was almost killed daily by people who didn't seem to understand the concept of a red light. I was told on multiple occasions by both Democrats and Republicans there that the "President makes all the laws". Do I need to continue? Because I have more, unfortunately much more.

 

For the usual "extrapolate everything non-liberals do" suspects here:

Education should never be denied anyone for any reason while they are a minor. And, there are ample examples of the religious providing eduction, usually the finest, all over this country, unless you aren't familiar with people like the Jesuits, or aren't aware of institutions like Notre Dame and Georgetown. So please, spare us the extrapolation that ALL religious people deny education.

 

Moreover, spare us the extrapolation that somehow we should vote for candidates because of what a couple of hicks do--> as though what happens in Florida is important. More than half those people have bartender, stripper, Disney employee, or something similar, stamped on their forehead from birth. If their state wants to continue to be silly and superficial, who are we to stand in their way?

 

Besides, I likes my strippers dumb, and me hooters waitresses even dumber! And, somebody's got to get me a beer when I am down there, I'm on f'ing vacation, and I sure as hell ain't getting it myself.

 

If these religious nuts in this case are so firm in their beliefs then they should not fear what a teacher tells their kids. This insecurity about sex ed betrays either a pseudo faith, or, that their faith is more about control than grace.

 

Most importantly! Hey dummies! This is a state issue! Or do you think that if we were to throw more money at this problem from the Federal level that somehow these hicks will stop being stupid? If I paid that Coke proofing bastard more, does that mean he suddenly turns smart?

[Live&DieBillsFootball]

Bill Maher on abstinence education in 2005:

 

"New Rule: Abstinence pledges make you horny. In a setback for the morals/values crowd, a new eight-year study just released reveals that American teenagers who take virginity pledges wind up with just as many STD's as the other kids. But that's not all. "Taking the pledge" also makes a teenage girl six times more likely to perform oral sex, and four times more likely to allow anal. Which leads me to an important question: where were these pledges when I was in high school?

 

So, seriously, when I was a teenager, the only kids having anal intercourse, were the ones who missed. My idea of lubrication was oiling my bike chain. If I had known I could have been getting porn-star sex the same year I took Algebra 2 - simply by joining up with the Christian right - I'd have been so down with Jesus, they would have had to pry me out of the pew.

 

And, let me tell you, there is a lot worse things than teenagers having sex. Namely, teenagers not having sex. Here is something you'll never hear: "That suicide bomber blew himself up because he was having too much sex. Sex, sex, sex, nonstop, all that crazy Arab ever had was sex, and look what happened." But among the puritans here of the 21st century, the less said to kids about sex, the better. Because people who talk about peepees are "potty-mouths."

 

And so, armed with limited knowledge and believing that regular, vaginal intercourse to be either immaculate or filthy dirty - these kids did with their pledge what everybody does with contracts. They found loopholes. Two of them, to be exact.

 

Is there any greater irony than the fact that the Christian right actually got their precious little adolescent daughters to say to their freshly-scrubbed boyfriends, "Please, I want to remain pure for my wedding night, so only in the ass... And then I'll blow you, I promise." Well, at least these kids are really thinking outside the box."

[justnzane]

(BTW, drinking bleach?? I can't believe one person, let alone many people, are that !@#$ing stupid.)

 

You are talking about Florida, the state that fudged up the 2000 election

 

I always love when i talk to a proponent of abstinence only education, because they refuse to believe that educating a kid about the proper usage of condom can prevent teenage pregnancy STD's. They do not understand human urges are hard to control, especially at that age range. I found it appalling that two of my senior (in high school) college-credit algebra students were talking about their STD's in front of me. However it isn't a surprise, as last month the Buffalo News published an article that stated that 25% of sexually active high school girls have an STD

[Steely Dan]

You are talking about Florida, the state that fudged up the 2000 election

 

I always love when i talk to a proponent of abstinence only education, because they refuse to believe that educating a kid about the proper usage of condom can prevent teenage pregnancy STD's. They do not understand human urges are hard to control, especially at that age range. I found it appalling that two of my senior (in high school) college-credit algebra students were talking about their STD's in front of me. However it isn't a surprise, as last month the Buffalo News published an article that stated that 25% of sexually active high school girls have an STD

 

Every nutjob that supports abstinence only education that I've talked to I've asked them one simple question; "Did you wait for marriage." I either get a "What I did doesn't matter!!!!!!!!" Or they just turn and walk away. Only the people who waited til marriage can vote for abstinence education. I'm talking about without trying and getting turned down so Star Trek geeks are not allowed to vote. If those people were the only people allowed to vote on it about .0000000000001% of Amercan's would be eligible.

 

I've never bought a car without taking it for a test drive.

[olivier in france]

Nah, I bet it's that he simply doesn't interact with people in Florida. When I was working there, I was proofed for buying a 12 of Coke(not that) twice in the same week by the same guy. And then it happened again at another store a week later. I was almost killed daily by people who didn't seem to understand the concept of a red light. I was told on multiple occasions by both Democrats and Republicans there that the "President makes all the laws". Do I need to continue? Because I have more, unfortunately much more.

 

For the usual "extrapolate everything non-liberals do" suspects here:

Education should never be denied anyone for any reason while they are a minor. And, there are ample examples of the religious providing eduction, usually the finest, all over this country, unless you aren't familiar with people like the Jesuits, or aren't aware of institutions like Notre Dame and Georgetown. So please, spare us the extrapolation that ALL religious people deny education.

 

Moreover, spare us the extrapolation that somehow we should vote for candidates because of what a couple of hicks do--> as though what happens in Florida is important. More than half those people have bartender, stripper, Disney employee, or something similar, stamped on their forehead from birth. If their state wants to continue to be silly and superficial, who are we to stand in their way?

 

Besides, I likes my strippers dumb, and me hooters waitresses even dumber! And, somebody's got to get me a beer when I am down there, I'm on f'ing vacation, and I sure as hell ain't getting it myself.

 

If these religious nuts in this case are so firm in their beliefs then they should not fear what a teacher tells their kids. This insecurity about sex ed betrays either a pseudo faith, or, that their faith is more about control than grace.

 

Most importantly! Hey dummies! This is a state issue! Or do you think that if we were to throw more money at this problem from the Federal level that somehow these hicks will stop being stupid? If I paid that Coke proofing bastard more, does that mean he suddenly turns smart?

awesome post. scary, cynical, lucid, but awesome!

[olivier in france]

Bill Maher on abstinence education in 2005:

 

"New Rule: Abstinence pledges make you horny. In a setback for the morals/values crowd, a new eight-year study just released reveals that American teenagers who take virginity pledges wind up with just as many STD's as the other kids. But that's not all. "Taking the pledge" also makes a teenage girl six times more likely to perform oral sex, and four times more likely to allow anal. Which leads me to an important question: where were these pledges when I was in high school?

 

So, seriously, when I was a teenager, the only kids having anal intercourse, were the ones who missed. My idea of lubrication was oiling my bike chain. If I had known I could have been getting porn-star sex the same year I took Algebra 2 - simply by joining up with the Christian right - I'd have been so down with Jesus, they would have had to pry me out of the pew.

 

And, let me tell you, there is a lot worse things than teenagers having sex. Namely, teenagers not having sex. Here is something you'll never hear: "That suicide bomber blew himself up because he was having too much sex. Sex, sex, sex, nonstop, all that crazy Arab ever had was sex, and look what happened." But among the puritans here of the 21st century, the less said to kids about sex, the better. Because people who talk about peepees are "potty-mouths."

 

And so, armed with limited knowledge and believing that regular, vaginal intercourse to be either immaculate or filthy dirty - these kids did with their pledge what everybody does with contracts. They found loopholes. Two of them, to be exact.

 

Is there any greater irony than the fact that the Christian right actually got their precious little adolescent daughters to say to their freshly-scrubbed boyfriends, "Please, I want to remain pure for my wedding night, so only in the ass... And then I'll blow you, I promise." Well, at least these kids are really thinking outside the box."

 

and you're so right about people afraid of sex becoming violent and full of hatred... There's a reason why institutions needing aggresive "soldiers" like religions and armies have always banned sex ... Sexual frustration is probably the best way to make people violent.

[TheMadCap]

Besides, I likes my strippers dumb, and me hooters waitresses even dumber! And, somebody's got to get me a beer when I am down there, I'm on f'ing vacation, and I sure as hell ain't getting it myself.

 

If these religious nuts in this case are so firm in their beliefs then they should not fear what a teacher tells their kids. This insecurity about sex ed betrays either a pseudo faith, or, that their faith is more about control than grace.

 

Most importantly! Hey dummies! This is a state issue! Or do you think that if we were to throw more money at this problem from the Federal level that somehow these hicks will stop being stupid? If I paid that Coke proofing bastard more, does that mean he suddenly turns smart?

 

 

Nail, meet hammer...

[molson_golden2002]

Apparently you don't interact much with the world at large.

Nope, just Fox News, it's his eye on the world

[Alaska Darin]

Nope, just Fox News, it's his eye on the world

Finally raised enough coin for your bail, huh?

[molson_golden2002]

Finally raised enough coin for your bail, huh?

Ya, when the Sabres were eliminated I took hostages

[Wacka]

Finally raised enough coin for your bail, huh?

 

That or he finally sobered up.

[Chef Jim]

That or he finally sobered up.

No after reading his posts I believe you have that backwards. He just scraped up enough money to pick up a fifth of Thunderbird.