Mike formerly from Florida Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 And you probably think that the moon landing was faked. Was 9/11 an inside job? Such conspiracy theories require waaaaaaaaaay too many people to be secret about things that people would brag about if they got drunk enough. 787461[/snapback] Was 9/11 an inside job? 33% of the people in a news media poll believe so. Personally, I don't think it was an inside job, but I have a hard time believing the government knew nothing about it. Zacchari (sp?) had worked on this plan since 1992. Are we really suppose to believe, not one CIA, or FBI, or military agent wouldn't have secretly found out about this, just purely by accident? There was too much communication and logistics by Al-Quaeda to be missed by all of our agencies. I really believe our government could care less about 3,000 people to achieve their goal. Collateral damage. They never imagined the buildings would have collapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Organized crime as it was once known (the "Italian Mafia) is all but finished. Their bookies are getting pushed out of places such as Queens and the Bronx by Albanians. The Dominicans bank their own numbers in Washington Heights, and the government is the biggest numbers runner. Out of the ones left, close to half are probably informants. I like watching the Sopranos as much as the next guy, but those days are over. If any games are now fixed, it would be by a MUCH bigger entity than the "mob." 787470[/snapback] Well, original "Mafia" or not, the question remains...are there forces - organized of not, that may affect NFL games? I'm not so sure as you, that the Mafia is a spent force...greater NYC isn't the only playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acantha Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 straight up fixed? No friggin way but pushed in the direction the NFL wants it to go? Definitely! 787394[/snapback] This is pretty much how I feel about it. Part of me wants to say there's no way in hell people try to push games in one direction of the other, but I've just seen way to many things to think the contrary. This isn't to say I think most games are "pushed". But I think when the opportunity is there and people really want a game to go a certain way, things are worked out. And I didn't see last nights game. The last Super Bowl was the "straw" for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike formerly from Florida Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 [ The last Super Bowl was the "straw" for me. 787488[/snapback] Me too. Too much money involved today for the networks. You can't watch two plays without a commercial interruption. And then, they run them forever. Then there's the "Pink" nonsense on NBC. The league is turning into the WWF. I "barely" enjoy the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Well, original "Mafia" or not, the question remains...are there forces - organized of not, that may affect NFL games? I'm not so sure as you, that the Mafia is a spent force...greater NYC isn't the only playing field. 787478[/snapback] Great point. I am really only familiar with this neck of the woods. Around here, they are a joke. In Ct., some mobsters got locked up for extortion. A Captain was taped by the govt. complaining that all they were getting from a millionaire who owned a couple of huge restaurants were free meals, and the Albanians were getting cash! If, and I do mean IF games are fixed, I personally would take a closer look at big corporations and the league itself. Jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Another question which is yet to be answered satisfactorily is WHY and FOR WHAT PURPOSE would you fix the games. I doubt that making money would be a reason for those with some semblance of control over the NFL (the NFL and NFLPA would have to be part of a "fix" in some way as if they were not their activities might squirrel the deal or they might stumble on to the fix) as they alrerady can make money hand over fist without fixing the game. Why risk messing up your money-making deal or risk imprisonment by fixing games. What would the fixer get out of this? Perhaps it is done for excitement and the callenge of it all. However, these types of conspiracies also tend to be revealed as there are a large number of people who suspect a cover-up who would then track it down for the challenge and the fun of it as well. In general, I think folks love conspiracy theories because they give folks the "whhat of" fun of writing and telling a story and also because it helps them pretend that somebody somewhere is actually in control of things and they can hide from the fact that life actualy is quite random and unpredictable. Between my sense that a fix would involve too many people to really keep a secret and also that there is far more profit in simply keeping the game going than in creating particular outcomes (its like betting and the line on games, folks need to remember that successful bookmakers never gamble, they get rich by getting as close as they can to an equal bumber of people betting on the game, having the losers pay off the winners and they get rich simply skimming a user fee off of both winners and the losers for providing a "service"). I simply see no good reason to fix a game by those who could do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I agree that sometimes it sure seems like it's fixed... but there are so many people involved in the league that it would be pretty impossible to pull it off without any leaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Interesting topic to start. As for your question. I also believe that the NFL has a hand in deciding who is going to succeed. I don't think it is rigged, but i do believe that they help some teams out as opposed to others. I believe that the NFL could very well be the hand that rocks the craddle, but after the initial rocking, momentum is going to keep the craddle rocking for some time. The same with NFL teams. If you break it down, the NFL is a business, and they are going to do what is neccessary to make that business profitable. Here's a couple of examples and why... 1. Every city has a superstar to market. ATL: Michael Vick, BAL: Ray Lewis, BUF: Willis McGahee, NO: Reggie Bush, OAK: Randy Moss. The list goes on and on, with people that the league hypes and markets, and all of the advertisements that these guys have, and all the money they make, the NFL gets a piece of the pie. Also by hyping individuals, jersey sales blow through the roof. By promoting certain players, the NFL makes more money, as do the advertisers and the companies involved in professional football. It makes sense that they would want an individual in every city, that people support, and buy their jersey's and the products they sell. In the Bills/Falcons game last year, was it just me or did it seem that the refs were in a way "protecting" Michael Vick from a vigorous and brutal Buffalo pass rush by throwing two roughing the passer flags almost consecutively, where roughing prettu much did not occur. 2. The calls. Based on some of the calls that have been made in recent history it would lead one to believe that the league adminstrative staff has a hand in the decision making. The tuck rule is by far the best example of this. After that particular game the Patriots go on to win the super bowl. They are presented to the country as a team, a united team, much like people were after 9-11. A no name quarterback leads his team to super bowl victory, thus "proving" the American dream, all in one game. Super Bowl XL. Enough said. Isn't it just a little coincidental, that when a team wants a new stadium or changes made to the current stadium, they have a good season? 3. Feel good stories. Kurt Warner, the guy that wasn't on the map, but they helped. He came in after Green got hurt, the NFL wasn't going to help, but then they heard the back ground story of the guy after the first game in which he did okay. That week they decided that they would give the craddle a little rock, and on went the Rams. New Orleans fits into this mold. Based on Katrina last year the Saints are the feel good story this year. Everybody knows the potential for this garbage. I think that if it came down to it last night, the refs would have helped the Saints, but Michael Vick showed up unprepared and the team looked like crap, so no help was needed. It seems year in and year out the NFL looks for a feel good story to hype through their promotion machine (ESPN). Year in and year out people buy into it. How long before people say enough is enough? When is a stacked team like the Colts or the Bills going to win the big one? Personally i am getting sick of whatever is going on in the league. Some how the Manning family is now being treated like royalty with Eli being in New York, and Peyton being crammed down everybodies throat at commercial breaks. The NFL could very well be straying from the path which once made them great and what seperated them from the other professional sporting leagues in America, and that is that honesty, hard work, and dedication, are things that win championships, not league offices that rock the boat on where certain players end up in the draft, or what teams just happen to be an inspiring story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Interesting topic to start.Personally i am getting sick of whatever is going on in the league. Some how the Manning family is now being treated like royalty with Eli being in New York, and Peyton being crammed down everybodies throat at commercial breaks. The NFL could very well be straying from the path which once made them great and what seperated them from the other professional sporting leagues in America, and that is that honesty, hard work, and dedication, are things that win championships, not league offices that rock the boat on where certain players end up in the draft, or what teams just happen to be an inspiring story. 787568[/snapback] I think Peyton has now crossed into over exposure just like Tom Cruise. I'm sick of seeing Peyton, Eli and Archie Manning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 I think Peyton has now crossed into over exposure just like Tom Cruise. I'm sick of seeing Peyton, Eli and Archie Manning 787575[/snapback] They are like a plate of feces that is just shoved in my face atleast four times every Sunday, and i am forced to look at it, smell it, and listen to the crappy, over developed punchlines that the pieces of sh-- use to sell their product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 They are like a plate of feces that is just shoved in my face atleast four times every Sunday, and i am forced to look at it, smell it, and listen to the crappy, over developed punchlines that the pieces of sh-- use to sell their product. 787578[/snapback] Would you prefer we go back to 24 x 7 coverage of T.O.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 Would you prefer we go back to 24 x 7 coverage of T.O.? 787632[/snapback] Worse is that i suffer through the Manning escipade, and then i turn over to SportsCenter and the only thing they are covering is how many catches the @$$hole made in the Cowboys victory or defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daquixers_is_back Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 HEY! I like Peyton Manning. He is the image of what every NFL player should act like ... humble, nice, gives to charity...and a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted September 26, 2006 Share Posted September 26, 2006 HEY! I like Peyton Manning. He is the image of what every NFL player should act like ... humble, nice, gives to charity...and a great player. 787641[/snapback] Accept for he committed murder by throwing his team mates under the bus after last years loss in the playoffs. He's just a little bunk b*tch that the NFL beds down with every Sunday afternoon; and they force us to watch the garbage porno that they make with a camera. Peyton Manning + NFL < Paris Hilton sex tape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catholic Guilt Posted September 27, 2006 Author Share Posted September 27, 2006 BoondckCL, good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOOOOOO Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 It would be incredibly hard to rig american football. There are so many small things that could happen to mess up the rigging. 786895[/snapback] would it really??? have the referee drop a few flags and there ya go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Mike Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Quite the opposite, there is a penalty on virtually every play which could be called, or not called. It would be simple for an extra call here, and a non call there, to effect the outcome of a game or shave a couple points. 787119[/snapback] Exactly correct. Especially the non-calls, as most fans focus on the bad calls, not the bad non-calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Mike Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 This is pretty much how I feel about it. Part of me wants to say there's no way in hell people try to push games in one direction of the other, but I've just seen way to many things to think the contrary.This isn't to say I think most games are "pushed". But I think when the opportunity is there and people really want a game to go a certain way, things are worked out. And I didn't see last nights game. The last Super Bowl was the "straw" for me. 787488[/snapback] I'm in the camp with you two. Unfortunately our Bills never seem to be in the group that the NFL wants to come out ahead, so although the ultimate prize is not out of the question I feel we have to overcome more adversity than a number of other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Was 9/11 an inside job? 33% of the people in a news media poll believe so. Personally, I don't think it was an inside job, but I have a hard time believing the government knew nothing about it. Zacchari (sp?) had worked on this plan since 1992. Are we really suppose to believe, not one CIA, or FBI, or military agent wouldn't have secretly found out about this, just purely by accident? There was too much communication and logistics by Al-Quaeda to be missed by all of our agencies. I really believe our government could care less about 3,000 people to achieve their goal. Collateral damage. They never imagined the buildings would have collapsed. 787475[/snapback] Link the poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Brady Posted September 27, 2006 Share Posted September 27, 2006 Interesting topic to start. As for your question. I also believe that the NFL has a hand in deciding who is going to succeed. I don't think it is rigged, but i do believe that they help some teams out as opposed to others. I believe that the NFL could very well be the hand that rocks the craddle, but after the initial rocking, momentum is going to keep the craddle rocking for some time. The same with NFL teams. If you break it down, the NFL is a business, and they are going to do what is neccessary to make that business profitable. 787568[/snapback] Great post........and the altimate craddle rocker of alltime is none other than the great JERRY MARCBRITE ..the absolute worst ref there ever was , he'd always appear on the big MNF games or your top sunday game of the week ........if jerry was working you could bet the house that there'd be a hand full of critical calls blown in the game, while being told over and over by the announcers that jerry was the best of the best . I actually called the NFL offices to complain about him being scheduled for a bills playoff game in 92-93 ,I was telling(yelling and screaming into phone) them that the game was fixed if they had him doing the game ect ect ...jerry wasn't at the game thats all I know .....I believe he is currently director of officiating. F..........Jerry Marcbrite!!!!!!!! If there's BIG BIG BIG money on the game than Jerry Marcbrite was their man!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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