Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 http://www.kffl.com/player/462/nfl Colts | Team may be forced to pursue a QB Mon, 4 Sep 2006 07:26:48 -0700 Mike Chappell, of the Indianapolis Star, reports if Indianapolis Colts backup QB Jim Sorgi's (shoulder) shoulder continues to be a problem or the Colts have an interest in acquiring another veteran, two might be available. Reports have the Buffalo Bills willing to part with QB Kelly Holcomb and the Tennessee Titans at least willing to listen to overtures for QB Billy Volek. Oh, I hope this happens. I don't want Holcomb in Buffalo anymore. Lets find a better veteran Qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Just looking at the Colts roster to see if we would be interested in any current players...they are carrying only three back-up OL and both back-up tackles are rookies.....interesting....just like us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 I wouldnt rule out Pittsburgh as an option to deal Holcomb especially now that Big Ben is out and Batch isn't the most reliable starter in the world and there is no one on the roster behind him. That said...I highly doubt there is truly enough interest to warrant a trade for Holcomb...especially since that leaves us with only 2 active QBs and no veteran experience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I 90 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Oh, I hope this happens. I don't want Holcomb in Buffalo anymore. Lets find a better veteran Qb. 761498[/snapback] I highly doubt there is truly enough interest to warrant a trade for Holcomb...especially since that leaves us with only 2 active QBs and no veteran experience... 761506[/snapback] Bird in the hand... Three decent quarterbacks are a must for this team -- it looks like they are going to get hit as much as Bledsoe ever was. I am not sure Losman and Nall are up to the abuse. As much as I don't want to see Holcomb, they might as well play the hand they were dealt. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Would love to get a draft pick, even a late round, for KH - Nall will be fine as backup. Pick up a 3rd stringer off the wire, and C.J. Leak can be our "disaster" QB (it won't come to that, anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I 90 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 C.J. Leak can be our "disaster" QB (it won't come to that, anyway). 761513[/snapback] The C. J. Leak era has begun ! (thanks for links in the other thread) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oneonta Buffalo Fan Posted September 4, 2006 Author Share Posted September 4, 2006 Would love to get a draft pick, even a late round, for KH - Nall will be fine as backup. Pick up a 3rd stringer off the wire, and C.J. Leak can be our "disaster" QB (it won't come to that, anyway). 761513[/snapback] Well, I think that we will get a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick for Holcomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 As much as I don't want to see Holcomb, they might as well play the hand they were dealt. 761510[/snapback] Do you REALLY think that, if the Bills get so beat up that both Nall and Losman are injured, they can still somehow be competitive with Holcomb? I mean really what's the point at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Do you REALLY think that, if the Bills get so beat up that both Nall and Losman are injured, they can still somehow be competitive with Holcomb? I mean really what's the point at that point. 761543[/snapback] Weren't they .500 with him as QB last year? I'd think that if the Bills were somehow competitive this year, a small stretch of .500 play wouldn't be a big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Holcomb has never performed cibsistently enough in the NFL to ever win the starters jpb in 10 years of NFL work and it really was very wisghful thinking to feel this was gonna happen with the Bills this year. However, between his accumulated stats as he backed-up, was an inconsistent producer and had a few episodes extrmely good play he has been a quality back-up and has expressed an attitude of beind content tp be a sub if the situation called for it. Even if he really does not mean it and is only saying the right thing this is valuable because we have seen how toxiic to a team a QB battle can be. Holcomb certainly sucked big time as this pre-season began. This was quite disapppointing as a St. Louis style O seems made for his strngths and weaknesses. The key to performing well in this O is an ability to make good reads and to dump-off to the safety valve quickly if the D scheme and play deny the deep route. Doing good reads and dumping off should be Holcomb's game given his consistent checking off last year some Bills fans whined about and 10 years of seeing plays. Yet his poor play seemed to indicate that he simply had trouble picking up a new offense ( a horrible read caused the INT in the first pre-season game) and he sucked most of this pre-season. Some veiwers make the mistake of assuming that because the St. L style is pass-happy that Holcomb cannot throw it deep and his make-up sucks for our style of play. Yet, they fail to recognize that the likely Bill O (nobody knows for sure until a few games occur) has seen it yet. However, the St. L O actually utilizes a lot of short passes and RAC to produce highpowered results. Holcomb finally seems to have gotten it in his last outing and if this type of play continues he is easily our best choice right now to give JP rellief if he needs it. Nall isnteresting and it was his injury which cost him a shot at the starting job and only KH's poor performance gave him a shot at the #2. However, Nall may haen oressing a bit because he knew he was behing the eight-ball having missed some essental playing time with his injury. At any rate, it looks like he did inherit Brett Favre's brain with some nifty passes and nifty escaoes from a sack. However, though he may have Favre intent he does not have the Favre skills and this led to a couple of INTs as ge tried to force the ball in a couple of situations leading to INTs. Nall should still get some serious practice reps in practice or running the scout team or other activities that do not interefere with JP developing. However until the braintrust judges Nall to be ready, Hiolcomb is fine as long as he stays on the production track he showed in the Lion game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I 90 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Weren't they .500 with him as QB last year? I'd think that if the Bills were somehow competitive this year, a small stretch of .500 play wouldn't be a big deal. 761546[/snapback] True dat. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
port allegany Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 The key point is what would the $$$ impact be if we TRADE Holcomb? He's got a big cap number right now, if fact it was wonderfully structured by his agent so the cap hit is worse if released than if retained. But if we trade him and the Colts assume his contract it would give the Bills some more $$ to throw in Clements direction to frontload his contract (thus making his future cap numbers more agreeable). I don't know how the cap structure works so can anyone fill me in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 If the Bills could get at least a 5th round pick for him, I'd be happy with a trade. This team should be worried about more than just this year, and it has bigger problems than the #3 QB spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasker Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Absolute agreement that we have bigger problems than the #3 quarterback, and if we can get any value for the future for him, I would make the deal. I would have considered cutting him as well, so that he doesn't have ANY hit on our cap after this year. We can afford a cap hit right now, so getting rid of him now keeps him from having a negative impact in the future. If we didn't have Nall, I might want him around, but I like Nall, and JP will start 16 games anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Bird in the hand... Three decent quarterbacks are a must for this team -- it looks like they are going to get hit as much as Bledsoe ever was. I am not sure Losman and Nall are up to the abuse. As much as I don't want to see Holcomb, they might as well play the hand they were dealt. . 761510[/snapback] Agreed, unless we come away like bandits in the trade I see no need to trade him, we to need a backup QB and as bad as holcomb is he is probly better than anyone we can find on the market this late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
generaLee83 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Well, I think that we will get a 5th, 6th, or 7th round pick for Holcomb. 761532[/snapback] Hopefully a 7th. I don't think they get a 5th. EMO warranted a 5th, barely and EMO still has much productivity left in him. It'd be nice to pick up a 2nd or 3rd year lineman IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbzh2 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Holcomb has never performed cibsistently enough in the NFL to ever win the starters jpb in 10 years of NFL work and it really was very wisghful thinking to feel this was gonna happen with the Bills this year. However, between his accumulated stats as he backed-up, was an inconsistent producer and had a few episodes extrmely good play he has been a quality back-up and has expressed an attitude of beind content tp be a sub if the situation called for it. Even if he really does not mean it and is only saying the right thing this is valuable because we have seen how toxiic to a team a QB battle can be. Holcomb certainly sucked big time as this pre-season began. This was quite disapppointing as a St. Louis style O seems made for his strngths and weaknesses. The key to performing well in this O is an ability to make good reads and to dump-off to the safety valve quickly if the D scheme and play deny the deep route. Doing good reads and dumping off should be Holcomb's game given his consistent checking off last year some Bills fans whined about and 10 years of seeing plays. Yet his poor play seemed to indicate that he simply had trouble picking up a new offense ( a horrible read caused the INT in the first pre-season game) and he sucked most of this pre-season. Some veiwers make the mistake of assuming that because the St. L style is pass-happy that Holcomb cannot throw it deep and his make-up sucks for our style of play. Yet, they fail to recognize that the likely Bill O (nobody knows for sure until a few games occur) has seen it yet. However, the St. L O actually utilizes a lot of short passes and RAC to produce highpowered results. Holcomb finally seems to have gotten it in his last outing and if this type of play continues he is easily our best choice right now to give JP rellief if he needs it. Nall isnteresting and it was his injury which cost him a shot at the starting job and only KH's poor performance gave him a shot at the #2. However, Nall may haen oressing a bit because he knew he was behing the eight-ball having missed some essental playing time with his injury. At any rate, it looks like he did inherit Brett Favre's brain with some nifty passes and nifty escaoes from a sack. However, though he may have Favre intent he does not have the Favre skills and this led to a couple of INTs as ge tried to force the ball in a couple of situations leading to INTs. Nall should still get some serious practice reps in practice or running the scout team or other activities that do not interefere with JP developing. However until the braintrust judges Nall to be ready, Hiolcomb is fine as long as he stays on the production track he showed in the Lion game. 761548[/snapback] Could someone with more patience to read these wordy post, please summarize for those of us who don’t have the time to page through these posts to get the point or points that are being made….because this person does make good points, but the long ramblings are many time too uncomfortable to read, especially while having other things going on…..sorry I wish I had the time to read your posts but they are too frustrating long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Weren't they .500 with him as QB last year? 761546[/snapback] Not with Fairchild's scheme, he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 Could someone with more patience to read these wordy post, please summarize for those of us who don’t have the time to page through these posts to get the point or points that are being made….because this person does make good points, but the long ramblings are many time too uncomfortable to read, especially while having other things going on…..sorry I wish I had the time to read your posts but they are too frustrating long. 761592[/snapback] I don't know why I agree to this, but here goes: - Holcomb might have been a good starter had he been more consistent. As it is, he's a good backup.- The Rams' offense relies much more strongly on dump-offs and short passes/RAC than most people realize. You'd think Holcomb would be a good fit for such an offense, especially with his ability to read defenses. - At first Holcomb played surprisingly badly in the Fairchild scheme, but now he seems to get it. - Nall has shown real promise, as well as some bad reads/interceptions. Nall's problems might be due to learning a new offense, the injury, and the fact he was pressing. Until the staff truly gets comfortable with Nall, Holcomb should be the backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 so arm did you buy season tickets for the colts yet ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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