Justice Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 McKinnie was clearly the best O-lineman in college, how a off-season can change that, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezmid Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Those people who say McKinnie isn't that good don't know what the **** they are talking about. Those same people probably have never even seen him play.Lets face it, McKinnie will be in the pro bowl very soon and the big kitty will be nothing more than average at best. TD screwed up and took the wrong player plain and simple. 46266[/snapback] I live in Minnesota and watch quite a few Vikings games. BM isn't that good. Research was done during the offseason that showed, STATISTICALLY, that MW was actually *better* than BM. If I recall correctly (and the person who had the link to stats for OL can maybe chime in), BM had given up MORE sacks than MW -- and to make matters worse, MW is blocking for a pocket passer while BM is blocking for a scrambler, thus the stats probably would've been even more in MW's favor had roles been reversed. Culpepper has been sacked 6 times through the first 2 games (excluding yesterday, since ESPN hasn't updated it yet). DB was sacked 8 times. Culpepper has fumbled the ball away (in the red zone) multiple times as well. Both have thrown only 1 interception. So stop saying that BM is leaps and bounds ahead of MW, because it's simply not true. People around here get it in their head that something is a certain way and they never veer away from that, even when presented with evidence. Reuben Brown "always getting a flag every game" was another myth that was proven to be false, yet people still say it like it's true. CW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I live in Minnesota and watch quite a few Vikings games. BM isn't that good. Research was done during the offseason that showed, STATISTICALLY, that MW was actually *better* than BM. If I recall correctly (and the person who had the link to stats for OL can maybe chime in), BM had given up MORE sacks than MW -- and to make matters worse, MW is blocking for a pocket passer while BM is blocking for a scrambler, thus the stats probably would've been even more in MW's favor had roles been reversed. Culpepper has been sacked 6 times through the first 2 games (excluding yesterday, since ESPN hasn't updated it yet). DB was sacked 8 times. Culpepper has fumbled the ball away (in the red zone) multiple times as well. Both have thrown only 1 interception. So stop saying that BM is leaps and bounds ahead of MW, because it's simply not true. People around here get it in their head that something is a certain way and they never veer away from that, even when presented with evidence. Reuben Brown "always getting a flag every game" was another myth that was proven to be false, yet people still say it like it's true. CW 46539[/snapback] Did you watch the vikes yesterday? I did, and McKinnie was awesome. Thisis not to say that I watch him every game, because I do not, but he had the blindside secured yesterday, and opened holes for running plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 The worst part is that EVERYONE knew on draft day that TD was making a mistake. EVERYONE - fans, players, analysts. Yet TD went ahead and drafted the fat right tackle instead of the dominant left tackle. And RT was already solid because of Jennings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 lol, I would like to see these stats that prove MW is better than BM... I also would like to see the Viking front office and fans polled as to who they would rather have, BM or MW... I bet 100% would say BM. Hell, I'd like to see the BILLS front office and fans polled with the same question... wouldn't surprise me if it's close to 100% for BM, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 lol, I would like to see these stats that prove MW is better than BM... I also would like to see the Viking front office and fans polled as to who they would rather have, BM or MW... I bet 100% would say BM. Hell, I'd like to see the BILLS front office and fans polled with the same question... wouldn't surprise me if it's close to 100% for BM, too. 46565[/snapback] I fully agree. It would have been different if MW was a great RT. I would have gladly used a #4. To go a step further, I would be willing to part with an early pick for a great guard. The ugly truth is that MW is still struggling in his 3rd season, raised eyebrows in the offseason, and is killing the team's salary cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 MW is a better run-blocker than McKinnie without a doubt. We are supposed to be a run-oriented team which is why we have him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest_eyedog_* Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 He must be part of that 2.7 ypc that the Bills currently have running the ball. Good thing he's a better run blocker than McKinnie. Why don't we just face the facts with MW. TD blew the pick. He can't handle right tackle, he will never handle left tackle, and his best position would probably be at guard since he can't play in space. To top it off he doesn't seem to be the self motivating type, so I really don't expect too much more than what we are currently seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCgirl Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Not to mention that MW is a RIGHT tackle and BM is a LEFT tackle. Left tackles get paid tons of money and a franchise LT is gold. RTs are generally not as important (unless you have a left-handed QB, I suppose). He must be part of that 2.7 ypc that the Bills currently have running the ball.Good thing he's a better run blocker than McKinnie. Why don't we just face the facts with MW. TD blew the pick. He can't handle right tackle, he will never handle left tackle, and his best position would probably be at guard since he can't play in space. To top it off he doesn't seem to be the self motivating type, so I really don't expect too much more than what we are currently seeing. 46657[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Huge yes, effective no...I would just love too see someone screaming in his face. I think he is the weak link in that line. This was the 4th overall pick in the 2002 draft. Hello TD? "This is Ralph and I've decided to go in a different direction but let me drive you to the airport" 46086[/snapback] I expect him to replace Smith at LG as soon as Price is healthy. I think he'd be very good at guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevbeau Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Did you watch the vikes yesterday? I did, and McKinnie was awesome. Thisis not to say that I watch him every game, because I do not, but he had the blindside secured yesterday, and opened holes for running plays. 46544[/snapback] Yeah, but the Vikes were playing a Bears D that has lost almost half their starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndyJay1234 Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 Huge yes, effective no...I would just love too see someone screaming in his face. I think he is the weak link in that line. This was the 4th overall pick in the 2002 draft. Hello TD? "This is Ralph and I've decided to go in a different direction but let me drive you to the airport" 46086[/snapback] Ok.. I will do it. Someone order me a step ladder.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I would switch him to left Tackle and put him up for a new challenge. It would be good to see how he responded to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 I live in Minnesota and watch quite a few Vikings games. BM isn't that good. Research was done during the offseason that showed, STATISTICALLY, that MW was actually *better* than BM. If I recall correctly (and the person who had the link to stats for OL can maybe chime in), BM had given up MORE sacks than MW -- and to make matters worse, MW is blocking for a pocket passer while BM is blocking for a scrambler, thus the stats probably would've been even more in MW's favor had roles been reversed. Culpepper has been sacked 6 times through the first 2 games (excluding yesterday, since ESPN hasn't updated it yet). DB was sacked 8 times. Culpepper has fumbled the ball away (in the red zone) multiple times as well. Both have thrown only 1 interception. So stop saying that BM is leaps and bounds ahead of MW, because it's simply not true. People around here get it in their head that something is a certain way and they never veer away from that, even when presented with evidence. Reuben Brown "always getting a flag every game" was another myth that was proven to be false, yet people still say it like it's true. CW 46539[/snapback] Sorry Fez... I respect your opinion, but Viking Nation does not agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 28, 2004 Share Posted September 28, 2004 Mckinnie played like stevestojan against the Eagles. I saw him get beat like a french prizefighter that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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