Horus Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I'd also give J.P a break this year due to the lack of running game we've had....McGahee has had 5 games with 16 or less carries and only 4 100+ yard games...his best games are with 25+ carries and hes only had 5 of those...except for game 1 wich he had 22 carries and 117 yards....wonder how much better J.P would look if this coaching staff ran McGahee 22+ times every game and acttually used him as a receiver some also....ok now ive switched the topic from J.P to McGahee, but what Im trying to say is if the defense knows that McGahee isnt gonna run much all they have to do is rush J.P and wait for him to throw mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB2004 Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I am sure I'll probably be ripped for this, but I really don't like Losman as the cornerstone to build around. He has 1 win this season, against the worst team in football, was yanked for a journeyman backup, can't stay healthy, can't complete more than 2 passes in a row, etc.... "It's JP's team". Why? Has the guy won over his players? Certainly not Eric Moulds. Why not entertain a FA QB? What confuses me is that there are guys with even less experience and less talent around them that are at very least giving their teams a chance to win. Example - Charlie Frye, to a lesser extent Brooks Bollinger (he had a very good game yesterday if you watched). I honestly feel that a new GM will agree with what I am saying. Don't give up on the kid at all, but we shouldn't just hand him the franchise when he has proven NOTHING. Thoughts? 537471[/snapback] Its an understandable concern but this is the direction we chose to go. While we have taken a tremendous step back in our team's direction, we do have things to look forward too. The draft for one. I don't know how we could screw that draft pick up. There's a lot of talent in this year's draft. Also, we will have money to spend. Hopefully we can make a strong push for a quality offensive lineman, preferrably 2 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 How old are you ? 10 ? God, I hate this place sometimes. 537795[/snapback] 23, and what is your problem with this? It is a true statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Posted December 20, 2005 Author Share Posted December 20, 2005 You're high. Drew had the benefit of playing opponents of the San Fransisco caliber last year. As soon as he faced a quality defense's SECOND STRINGERS he came unglued. And oh yeah, he just didn't choke in big-time games, either did he? Buck Drew Fledsoe. 537814[/snapback] Point taken. Having a different opinion than your doesnt make me "high". Grow up with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 He also could have been the winning QB of record for the two home games against Miami and the Jets, had he played. I always felt that it was foolish to bench him with those two games coming up. Yes, the TB game was ugly, but the ATl game was pretty close, except for the 236 rushing yards Vick-Dunn-Duckett put up ( ). The Saints beat us when they still had McCallister (130 yards ). That being said, the next three games were against bottom-feeders, and would have been great games to get JP back on track. What could have been.... 538222[/snapback] That was when Mularkey started to lose me. Just like our prior two coaches, he started showing signs of indecisiveness-something that will doom any HC in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 You may have missed my post above (#55). But to update it, I looked and the Cowboys traded a 3rd rounder for Henson on March 15, 2005, which was before the draft. There's your answer. 538217[/snapback] If he thought highly of Losman, he wouldn't have needed to trade for a baseball player like Henson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Wasnt the "grooming' supposed to have been last year behind Bledsoe? Sure he was hurt, but what else did he have to do except study football day in and day out. Dude was downtown partying instead of earning his millions. 537481[/snapback] Ummm...Well... Just caught this so apologies for not commenting on it earlier... Dude...You can question anything about JP's performance on the field...If you do not feel he will ever be a quality NFL QB you certainly have ammunition to back it up, and no doubt it is debatable.. What is not debatable is JP's dedication to being an NFL QB...The evidence of this is literally documented adnauseam...JP has sucessfully put in all the time and then some off the Field in order to give him the absolute best chance to be successful on the Field...Whether or not that time pays off is definitely up in the air, but please don't question the Kids dedication...He is driven to be excellent WAY beyond what I would expect from a 2nd year Player...WAY beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 If he thought highly of Losman, he wouldn't have needed to trade for a baseball player like Henson. 538477[/snapback] Who cares if Parcells did or did not think highly of Losman? The guy has never been a great personel guy just a great coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 If he thought highly of Losman, he wouldn't have needed to trade for a baseball player like Henson. 538477[/snapback] This answer makes no sense. Since he traded for Henson before the draft, Losman was not a factor in the Henson trade. He could not have predicted that Losman would or would not be available where he drafted, he had a chance at Henson who he knew at the time of the trade he was getting and took it. With Henson on the roster, he couldn't take another QB of the future when JP was there at his pick. The only conclusion that can be drawn is at the time of the trade for Henson, before the draft, Dallas though Henson was talented enough to groom for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 This answer makes no sense. Since he traded for Henson before the draft, Losman was not a factor in the Henson trade. He could not have predicted that Losman would or would not be available where he drafted, he had a chance at Henson who he knew at the time of the trade he was getting and took it. With Henson on the roster, he couldn't take another QB of the future when JP was there at his pick. The only conclusion that can be drawn is at the time of the trade for Henson, before the draft, Dallas though Henson was talented enough to groom for the future. 538486[/snapback] Right but wrong. Let's replace the name "J.P. Losman" with "Joe Montana." Now let's say Parcells knew Montana might fall to him in round 1 of the draft. Then again, someone else might take him first. Would Parcells waste his time with guys named Drew? Depending on how confident he was in his ability to predict what other teams would do, Parcells would either trade up to get Montana for sure, or he'd wait and hope Montana would fall to his pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 Who cares if Parcells did or did not think highly of Losman? The guy has never been a great personel guy just a great coach. 538485[/snapback] The Cowboys are at 8-6, so Parcells must know something about personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 The Cowboys are at 8-6, so Parcells must know something about personnel. 538498[/snapback] There's no arguing with that logic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pass the Pipe Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 I am sure I'll probably be ripped for this, but I really don't like Losman as the cornerstone to build around. He has 1 win this season, against the worst team in football, was yanked for a journeyman backup, can't stay healthy, can't complete more than 2 passes in a row, etc.... "It's JP's team". Why? Has the guy won over his players? Certainly not Eric Moulds. Why not entertain a FA QB? What confuses me is that there are guys with even less experience and less talent around them that are at very least giving their teams a chance to win. Example - Charlie Frye, to a lesser extent Brooks Bollinger (he had a very good game yesterday if you watched). I honestly feel that a new GM will agree with what I am saying. Don't give up on the kid at all, but we shouldn't just hand him the franchise when he has proven NOTHING. Thoughts? 537471[/snapback] Complete over reaction. He has shown a lot of good things, strong arm, mobility, workaholic, and toughness. Unfortunately he is the victim of a very bad supporting cast including coaches. A lot of good quarterbacks in this league had less than memorable beginnings. As the talent improves this kid should grow into an above average player. We cannot forget that this is a very bad football team. What kind of expectations can anybody really have with the worst offensive line in the league, basically no running game, not an NFL tightend on the roster, a declining star wide receiver, and a defense unable to take the ball away or provide decent field position? Dan Marino would not succeed with this group! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 20, 2005 Share Posted December 20, 2005 There's no arguing with that logic! 538503[/snapback] Who's the best coach in the league? If you ask me, it's Bill Belichick. Yet Belichick had a losing record with the Patriots his first year there. Why? He didn't have the horses. You can't win unless you have talent, and I can't believe I actually have to explain this to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Who's the best coach in the league? If you ask me, it's Bill Belichick. Yet Belichick had a losing record with the Patriots his first year there. Why? He didn't have the horses. You can't win unless you have talent, and I can't believe I actually have to explain this to anyone. 538523[/snapback] Go back to Parcell's drafts and show me where he has impressed you with his astute player evaluations and ability to work the draft. He's not horrible but he's not that great either. He puts together low risk, solid drafts and makes up for it with his coaching abilities. If he was good at talent evaluation (instead of just average) the guy would have notched another SB or two since he left the Giants (where he wasn't the GM). Hell, even if a guy that had a great track record drafting came out and said "I don't like Losman" I would still say, "so what?" The draft isn't an exact science and like stocks, past results don't guarantee future gains. I can’t believe I have to explain this to anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Go back to Parcell's drafts and show me where he has impressed you with his astute player evaluations and ability to work the draft. He's not horrible but he's not that great either. He puts together low risk, solid drafts and makes up for it with his coaching abilities. If he was good at talent evaluation (instead of just average) the guy would have notched another SB or two since he left the Giants (where he wasn't the GM). Hell, even if a guy that had a great track record drafting came out and said "I don't like Losman" I would still say, "so what?" The draft isn't an exact science and like stocks, past results don't guarantee future gains. I can’t believe I have to explain this to anybody. 538579[/snapback] People always remember the Bledsoe injury and Brady's emergence out of nowhere. Brady has turned out to be terrific but the real reason, or surely an equal reason the Patriots won the Super Bowl that year is they had about a 40% turnover in personel. They had 17 free agents that year, not counting rookies. From the Patriots own website: In 2001 alone, the team’s class of 17 veteran free agents produced two team captains, seven full-time starters, three special teams specialists and two veteran nickel backs. The veteran leadership was critical to the Patriots' success that year, as the team completed its divisional worst-to first turnaround and set the then-franchise record of nine consecutive victories to close out the season as Super Bowl Champions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Go back to Parcell's drafts and show me where he has impressed you with his astute player evaluations and ability to work the draft. He's not horrible but he's not that great either. 538579[/snapback] You know, I actually agree with this. But even an average talent evaluator is better than TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 You know, I actually agree with this. But even an average talent evaluator is better than TD. 538583[/snapback] Actually TD's track record is pretty impressive. Go back and look at what he did with the Steelers (Simon did a post awhile back with his drafts) and even his drafts in Buffalo have been pretty good in terms of how many good players he's selected. What has been his undoing is his inability to build a teamand select a capable head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 If he thought highly of Losman, he wouldn't have needed to trade for a baseball player like Henson. Parcells apparently bought-into the hype surrounding Henson and thought he was getting a good deal by sending a 3rd rounder for a seemingly star-in-waiting QB. Once the trade was made, Losman didn't even enter into the equation for him anymore, and no one was calling JP the next "Joe Montana." And as for Parcells being an expert because the Cowboys are 8-6, what were they LAST year? And this year it looks like they'll be no better than 9-7, which the Bills were last year, and it's a good bet that they'll be knocked-out of the playoffs this weekend if/when they lose to Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 Actually TD's track record is pretty impressive. Go back and look at what he did with the Steelers (Simon did a post awhile back with his drafts) and even his drafts in Buffalo have been pretty good in terms of how many good players he's selected. What has been his undoing is his inability to build a teamand select a capable head coach. 538589[/snapback] You're right. IMO, no one has been doing their jobs on the field well, but between TD, Mularkey, his staff, and the players, none of the four have been doing any of the other four great service. Yeah, you can say the buck stops here but it's naive. The Players have let down TD and Mularkey as much as TD has let down Mularkey and the players, and all the way down the line. TD made a couple major mistakes, Mularkey and the staff and the players have made a seasons worth of little mistakes at the absolute worst times. They have had bad luck and a bad attitude and it all snowballed the same way some teams everything goes right for. And just when one element gets on a roll another one !@#$s it for them. The only thing that has been right is Bobby April and the special teams for two years in a row, but Mularkey and the players get no credit for that at all. The thing just didnt work and probably needs to be significantly revamped. And heads should and will need to roll. But it wasnt just TD or the coach or the staff or the players, they all screwed the pooch equally, when they were in a position to do some damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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