SACTOBILLSFAN Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 I was just looking at stats since I am stuck at work until 7 AM. And I realized that I hate Cowboy fan even more now that I live in the state of Texass and have to listen to them. So I got to thinking yet again about just how excited we were as Bills fans after the first few weeks Drew played for us so I decided to compare his first 5 games with buffalo to the first 5 in dallas: Buffalo (2-3) to Dallass (3-2) 148/218 (68%) to 98/159 (62%) 1,762 YDS to 1,351 YDS 12 TD-5 INT to 10 TD-3 INT QB Rating of 102.6 to 102.0 After the first half of the season the Bills were 5-3 and we were all no doubt pumped about a playoff run , but much to our chagrin Drew's QB rating was a very average 79.4 over the last 11 games with a few games in the 50's and 40's. I hope to laugh at all the Cowboy fandom just as the NE fans laughed at us, when the Cowboys finish JUST out of the playoffs which is Drew's modus operandi, but alas this may not happen with the Girls playing in the weak NFC. I think we could very well see the Drew we all know and love this week with Julius Jones, who has not played well but is at least a running "threat," out for the game. The cowboys will have to rely more on Drew's arm (which has thrown 59 less passes when comparing the stats above) when a defense will be hell bent on rushing him and ignoring the run "game" the cowboys are throwing out there we could very well see 5 or 6 sacks on sunday for the G-men and 2 or 3 INTs as they go on to begin the exposing of drew's mediocrity...another thing nobody has ever brought up is why do team's think a QB who's middle name is McQueen can lead them anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 I was just looking at stats since I am stuck at work until 7 AM. And I realized that I hate Cowboy fan even more now that I live in the state of Texass and have to listen to them. So I got to thinking yet again about just how excited we were as Bills fans after the first few weeks Drew played for us so I decided to compare his first 5 games with buffalo to the first 5 in dallas: Buffalo (2-3) to Dallass (3-2) 148/218 (68%) to 98/159 (62%) 1,762 YDS to 1,351 YDS 12 TD-5 INT to 10 TD-3 INT QB Rating of 102.6 to 102.0 After the first half of the season the Bills were 5-3 and we were all no doubt pumped about a playoff run , but much to our chagrin Drew's QB rating was a very average 79.4 over the last 11 games with a few games in the 50's and 40's. I hope to laugh at all the Cowboy fandom just as the NE fans laughed at us, when the Cowboys finish JUST out of the playoffs which is Drew's modus operandi, but alas this may not happen with the Girls playing in the weak NFC. I think we could very well see the Drew we all know and love this week with Julius Jones, who has not played well but is at least a running "threat," out for the game. The cowboys will have to rely more on Drew's arm (which has thrown 59 less passes when comparing the stats above) when a defense will be hell bent on rushing him and ignoring the run "game" the cowboys are throwing out there we could very well see 5 or 6 sacks on sunday for the G-men and 2 or 3 INTs as they go on to begin the exposing of drew's mediocrity...another thing nobody has ever brought up is why do team's think a QB who's middle name is McQueen can lead them anywhere? 476429[/snapback] What, from an empirical standpoint, is the basis for your position that Drew plays well early and not so well later in the season? I am not interested in stats that show this to be the case but an explanation as to why. I think Drew's performance is a lot like that of other QB's, dependent in part on what is around him. Lousy lines and lousy QB's seem to go together. Same with lousy OC's and lousy offenses. He is gone now so it just doesn't matter. I think if the Bills were playing well we wouldn't care if Drew was the front runner for MVP but since they aren't, its natural to wonder, what if? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 What, from an empirical standpoint, is the basis for your position that Drew plays well early and not so well later in the season? I am not interested in stats that show this to be the case but an explanation as to why. I think Drew's performance is a lot like that of other QB's, dependent in part on what is around him. Lousy lines and lousy QB's seem to go together. Same with lousy OC's and lousy offenses. He is gone now so it just doesn't matter. I think if the Bills were playing well we wouldn't care if Drew was the front runner for MVP but since they aren't, its natural to wonder, what if? 476458[/snapback] You nailed it. Excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 If the Bills had a defense that year, they would have done well. It's always either a good offense or a good defense, sometimes with a good ST's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATBNG Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 What, from an empirical standpoint, is the basis for your position that Drew plays well early and not so well later in the season? I am not interested in stats that show this to be the case but an explanation as to why. 476458[/snapback] He takes too many hits and has had too many concussions over the course of his career. The mind is clear and the body is sound at the beginning of the year, but after sack 25 he starts to go downhill quickly. It's not just the sacks either - he takes a lot of hits on throws that he gets off because he's so flatfooted in the pocket. Another "Drew" factor is that the strength of his game - throwing those laser deep outs - get tougher to throw as the weather turns colder and stormier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 The defensive co-ordinators in their division catch up to Drew's style and figure out how to stop him in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted October 15, 2005 Share Posted October 15, 2005 The defensive co-ordinators in their division catch up to Drew's style and figure out how to stop him in the second half. 476594[/snapback] Well, defensive coordinators in general catch up to what offenses are doing in the second half of the season, so it's up to offensive coordinators to keep defenses guessing. My guess is that DCs began to understand what Drew's weakness were, and what our offense's weakness were, and how to exploit them, and we (Drew, offensive coordinator, and offense in general) didn't have the talent/ability/whatever to make adjustments. I think his situation in Dallas is different, because I think Dallas has some decent talent at RB, WR, and on the O-line, as well as Bill Parcells calling the shots. Their weaknesses are not the same as ours were then, plus they have a smart coach who understands their weaknesses and can adjust. We'll see. But then again, it's Dallas, I hate Dallas, and I couldn't give a rat's a$$ about Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Let's see, DB is gone and yet the line continues to play like it has...........I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACTOBILLSFAN Posted October 16, 2005 Author Share Posted October 16, 2005 I just thought it was interesting to see the similarities in the statistics. The Buffalo and Dallas teams are different in many facets of the game. The Bills had a great running game in 02...Henry averaged 4.4 yards a carry and finished with almost 1500 yards and 13 TDs and the cowboys have a decent running game this year, but Julius Jones will not rush for 1500 yards. Right now Drew's o-line is protecting him very very well, they did not allow a sack against a very tough Iggles defense. But to be sure Drew still takes alot of hits due to his style of waiting until the last second to release the ball, which you will see even now when you watch the Cowboys, and that I think is what impacts his play at the end of the year. He's tough but he still takes mass punishment and his body won't recover as easily as it used to and that catches up. I am not saying "what if" we still had him because I think we would be in the same boat as we are right now because the Bills O-line is still a siv especially up the middle which is where DCs blitz against Drew due to his lack of mobility. I would be glad for Drew if he were putting up these stats on another team but I loathe the cowboys and I hope their fans are as disappointed as Bills fans were in Drew's play in the second half of the season. There are 3 reasons as to why Drew may have more second half success in Dallas than he did in Buffalo: 1: If his o-line keeps him off his back (which the Bills could not) then he still has the ability to put up MVP numbers. But I completely agree that QBs and offenses are only as good as their O-line and if. I completely agree that QBs and offenses are only as good as their O-line and if they keep playing like this the Bills will look like the stupidest SOBs for letting him go even though our o-line would have never allowed him to put up these numbers this year. 2: If Julius Jones starts to run like he did in the second half last year then that will take a ton of pressure off Drew by providing a running presence and taking some of the burden off of Drew and his arm, because I just don't think he can carry a team with his passing ability alone (note how his pass attempts are down compared to Buffalo) and reason 3: Bill Parcells will put him in more of a position to succeed with his offensive schemes than did Greggo and Killdrive. Parcells commits to the run and rarely abandons it like Killdrive routinely did. And this dedication to the run will eventually wear down a defense and allow Drew to continue to strive. Like I said this isn't a "what if" post because I firmly believe Drew would be struggling mightily in Buffalo this year because of our gameplans (or lack thereof) and our weak interior o-line. This post was simply to compare the similarities in starts for Drew within the respective franchises, and my hope that the cowboys and especially their fans here in Texas are as disappointed as I was in the final results, because the Cowboys are up there on my list of most hated NFL teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crackur Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Let's see, DB is gone and yet the line continues to play like it has...........I wonder why? 476780[/snapback] thats not a suprise is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Let's see, DB is gone and yet the line continues to play like it has...........I wonder why? 476780[/snapback] but now we have a mobile QB who can avoid the sack btw, if you check the numbers JP: 94 Attempts, 10 Sacks = 9.6% DB: 159 Attempts, 10 Sacks = 6.3% JP is the tied (with DB among others) for 7th most sacked QB in the NFL Brooks 11 Griese 11 Leftwich 13 Culpepper 20 Bulger 20 Carr 27 JP is 4th in sacks/drop backs (attempts + sack) Pennington: 9.7% Culpepper: 12.9% Carr 21.2% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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