VABills Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Clements - best corner bills ever had. 473062[/snapback] Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 1. Kelly-directed the K-gun by calling his own plays except in goal line situations. Last QB to call his own plays. 2. Thurman- erased many of OJ's records. Much better reciever and pass blocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959BillsFan Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Butch Byrd was the first of a series of incredible CBs the Bills seem to always have; although, Saimes was there before Byrd, he was a ball hawking safety. Byrd has the most interceptions of any Buffalo Bill. From 1964 to 1970 more than a few quartebacks had wished they hadn't thrown the ball in the direction of defensive back George "Butch" Byrd. It was during those years that Byrd managed to snare 40 interceptions, still a Buffalo Bills record. The Deion Sanders of the AFL, Byrd totaled a Bills record 666 yds and 5 TDs on returns. Byrd also handled the punt return duties for the Bills during their championship seasons, and was just as deadly a threat to score. His 74 yard punt return during the 1965 AFL Championship game broke the game open and broke the backs of the Chargers, who managed to hold the potent Bills offense to 1 TD all day. Always having instincts to be in the right place at the right time, Byrd was quite the hawk. On top of his 40 interceptions, he added 10 more fumble recoveries. Ron McDole and Jim Dunaway were the two guys that were the cornerstone of the Bills D back in the championship times. McDole actually went on and played for the Redskins for another decade after leaving Buffalo as a member of the "Over the Hill Gang". Reggie McKenzie was also an incredible pulling guard in the "Electric Company". A real Left Guard, not like what we have now, Bennie Anderson. Tony Greene was another safety and just as good, or better than Robert James. Second leader in interceptions for the Bills. Lou Piccone was THE utility player before Steve Tasker even got out of grade school. He wore #89 too. I wouldn't classify Piccone as an all around great, but he sure played with a lot of heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 While it would be tough, and too time consuming to rank the top 20, based on talent, I would say, without giving it a ton of thought. Let me preclude my list by saying that although I am old enough to have seen the 60's teams, I am not old enough to really know what the fug I was seeing, so my list is heavier on the 73-present Bills: #1- Bruce Smith #2- Oj Simpson #3- Thurman Thomas #4- Jim Kelly #5- Jerry Bulter #6- Andre Reed #7- Cornelius Bennett #8- Joe Cribbs #9- Kent Hull #10- Steve Freeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Steve Freeman ?????? your kidding I hope. While a good player he doesn't come close to a top-20 let alone top-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1959BillsFan Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 While it would be tough, and too time consuming to rank the top 20, based on talent, I would say, without giving it a ton of thought. Let me preclude my list by saying that although I am old enough to have seen the 60's teams, I am not old enough to really know what the fug I was seeing, so my list is heavier on the 73-present Bills: #1- Bruce Smith #2- Oj Simpson #3- Thurman Thomas #4- Jim Kelly #5- Jerry Bulter #6- Andre Reed #7- Cornelius Bennett #8- Joe Cribbs #9- Kent Hull #10- Steve Freeman 473202[/snapback] Way too heavy in the 1990's players. We actually did have two Championships back in the 60's. The 60's and 70's players were pretty darn good too. One guy you mention that I will definitely agree with is Kent Hull. He was the heart and sole of the o-line, and much of the offense for soooooo long. You might want to look at the guys in the Hall of Fame for a start: Kelly, Billy Shaw, James Lofton, Joe D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 1. OJ2.BRUCE 3.Robert James 4.Cookie 5.James Lofton 5a.-Im spacing on WR during Fergys time 6.Billy Shaw 6a.Ahmad Rashad 7.Joe D 7a.Ted Washington 8.Elbert Deubenion 9.Thurman 10.Marlon Briscoe 11.Smerlas 12.Hull 13.Moulds 14.J.D Hill 15.Haven Moses 16.Jim Kelly 17.Bobby Chandler 18.Sestak 19.Saimes 20.Andre Reed 472749[/snapback] You nailed the 1st 3. I would have Butler #4 & Biscuit #5 though (his first year was just sick, remember the Philly game? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardy Pyle Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Who's a better corner than Nate that played for the Bills? I think Nate is the best corner in the league right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Who's a better corner than Nate that played for the Bills? I think Nate is the best corner in the league right now. 473292[/snapback] James was the best CB by far during his short career in the league. He may possibly have been top 3 all time corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-dog Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 It's difficult to compare corners from the 70's era to the 2000 era. Rules were different, it was much more difficult to throw the ball in the 70's, and it was a running league. both are the two best Bills corners I've seen. Thats 1970 to present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 It's difficult to compare corners from the 70's era to the 2000 era.Rules were different, it was much more difficult to throw the ball in the 70's, and it was a running league. both are the two best Bills corners I've seen. Thats 1970 to present. 473365[/snapback] If you're talking "talent", I'd rate James & Clements the best ever. If you're talking "players" though, I'd have to take Butch Byrd over Nate... pretty close though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 Way too heavy in the 1990's players. We actually did have two Championships back in the 60's. The 60's and 70's players were pretty darn good too. One guy you mention that I will definitely agree with is Kent Hull. He was the heart and sole of the o-line, and much of the offense for soooooo long. You might want to look at the guys in the Hall of Fame for a start: Kelly, Billy Shaw, James Lofton, Joe D. 473216[/snapback] Like I said in my post, I am precluding myself from including players that I am too young to really remember, by more than name, and their football cards...I don't think that Lofton is an all-time top 20 Bufffalo Bill and am too young to include Billy Shaw. Maybe on second thought, I remove Steve Freeman, and include Joe D. Sorry, I just love the Knox-era Bills, so it is tough for me not to include Butler and Cribbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 re: 5a: Jerry Butler? He ought to there someplace... Seems a bit heavy with the old guys. Wolford, Ritcher and Devlin belong there. Tasker belongs there. Christie too. Andre should be higher. Washington, lower. 472762[/snapback] Yeah..I meant Jerry...and of course Tasker should be in there--my brain -well--say no more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 J.D. Hill ??? I always viewed him as a bust. Lofton was still very good when he arrived but his prime years were over. Sestak was twice the player Smerlas ever was. He was thee dominate DT of the AFL 60's. Thurman should be near the top of the list. He carried us during the SB years. Move Reed way up from #20. Where's Mike Stratton ? 472798[/snapback] I said TALENT---not production necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 I guess he might mean best talents who wore a Bills uniform. Even those who were here for a very short time. 472808[/snapback] You got it MarkVI... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 Biscuit's not on that list either. In terms of raw talent AND production, he has to be there (even if he didn't end up being the next LT as was predicted for him). 473032[/snapback] I DO agree with you on biscuit....forgot him---fits the category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 I wouldn't include JD Hill on the list. I also would bump Lofton off and move Rashad much lower because their best work came elsewhere. If they stay on the list, I don't know why Darryl Lamonica isn't on the list. I would add Biscuit and Talley. 473033[/snapback] Ahh--Lamonica absolutely........ooops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 11, 2005 Author Share Posted October 11, 2005 1. Kelly-directed the K-gun by calling his own plays except in goal line situations. Last QB to call his own plays.2. Thurman- erased many of OJ's records. Much better reciever and pass blocker. 473083[/snapback] Thurman??--more talented than OJ??...excuse me but I have an appointment back on planet earth.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasoninMT Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 What about trying to make an all-time roster? I think to be fair, they had to play for at least 1 or 2 seasons as a Buffalo Bill. make nominations then we can put them to a vote in a poll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp000085 Posted October 11, 2005 Share Posted October 11, 2005 1) Bruce Smith 2) Thurman Thomas 3) OJ Simpson 4) Jim Kelly 5) Steve Tasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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