NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 yeah, and we cut Gary Anderson in his rookie year ... think we can blame TD for that too? he certainly is at fault 427648[/snapback] I remember hearing that Anderson didn't want to play in Buffalo and mised all of his preseason kicks, forcing the Bills to cut him..Anyone else remember this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 lindell wouldn't be as big a liability if our offense could put 6 on the board every once in a while 427925[/snapback] Deja vu all over again. I remember the "if you could have any player currently playing" thread from a couple weeks back. I think I was the only one who said Vinateri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nfreeman Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Whatever the reason, Lindell IMHO is clearly TD's biggest blind spot. The guy is an open manhole of a liability. He stinks and I find it hard to believe that we're gonna go into a season where points are going to be so valuable with this loser as our kicker. Meanwhile, I bet Steve Christie, who we should've kept and stashed on IR until he got better, is going to have another good year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 TD will cut Lindell the second HE feels has a better option. 427645[/snapback] EXACTLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 For our regular dose of insanity or just plain wet diapers [bs=Frez,Sep 2 2005, 07:51 PM] That's TD's boy,he won't cut him or replace him. That will make TD look foolish. 427444[/snapback] [/bs] [bs=jarthur31,Sep 2 2005, 09:34 PM] This is another TD ego thing. He doesn't want him or Wire cut. It would reflect badly on him. 427637[/snapback] [/bs] But not every one has lost it thankfully .... Please please please stop with the "TD ego" thing. This is the second time someone has said it in this thread and the nth time people have said it here, and it has no basis in fact. TD had no problem cutting Drew when it served, nor did he resist firing GW when it was clear he did not work out. He has not shown any reluctance to cut other picks and signings when it served. I agree that Lindell must go, but to attribute this to TD's ego is old and tired and flat wrong. 427640[/snapback] Amen. I donn't know where this TD ego schit got satrted but it is getting beyond old. 427646[/snapback] Some writer started the whining and like the Coach DICKerson disciples, the lemmings followed it. Any decision they do not agree with is due to TD's ego - GW was signed due to TD's ego, MM was signed due to TD's ego, player so-and-so was signed because TD signed him in Pittsburgh, etc. It definitely is getting old. I am suprised that pacifier is not worn out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Thanks, Mr. Crusader! I think the "TD Ego" issue goes back to that (in)famous quote from an unnamed NFL GM that the McGahee pick was "arrogant." I am still trying to figure out what that was supposed to mean, though I think it was sour grapes from a GM who was hoping to snap McGahee up in a later round. The TD hate was then played up by our friends from New England, who felt the need to attack him as a way to work out their fear and loathing of Drew Bledsoe. Why they felt the need to attack TD or the Bills rather than simply celebrate their team's triumphs is a question I leave for their psychologists... I for one know that if the Bills won the super Bowl I would waste not a second on some other team's message boards, but that's just me. For our regular dose of insanity or just plain wet diapers [bs=Frez,Sep 2 2005, 07:51 PM] That's TD's boy,he won't cut him or replace him. That will make TD look foolish. 427444[/snapback] [/bs] [bs=jarthur31,Sep 2 2005, 09:34 PM] This is another TD ego thing. He doesn't want him or Wire cut. It would reflect badly on him. 427637[/snapback] [/bs] But not every one has lost it thankfully .... Some writer started the whining and like the Coach DICKerson disciples, the lemmings followed it. Any decision they do not agree with is due to TD's ego - GW was signed due to TD's ego, MM was signed due to TD's ego, player so-and-so was signed because TD signed him in Pittsburgh, etc. It definitely is getting old. I am suprised that pacifier is not worn out yet. 428061[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 I agree. It really is time to dump Lindell. He is very inconsistent. We deserve more in a kicker ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzer32 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 TD will cut Lindell the second HE feels has a better option. 427645[/snapback] A one-legged, blind man would be a better option at this point. WTF is TD waiting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 A one-legged, blind man would be a better option at this point. WTF is TD waiting for. 428160[/snapback] At this point, who is out there? any chance Vinateri gets cut? Elam? Akers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayzer32 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 At this point, who is out there? any chance Vinateri gets cut? Elam? Akers? 428169[/snapback] There are kickers out there, of course no stars like you listed, but they are there. Could anyone actually do any worse than Lindell at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Here's my guess: There are a lot of teams looking for kickers. TD will trade a 6th or 7th & acquire the loser of one of the stronger battles. (Example-Todd France) There is going to be too much competition for the few good available kickers out there to try signing one as a FA. I still don't believe Lindell will be there when we open next Sunday. For his ability, he carries too high a cap # & were not keeping him long enough to have his salary guaranteed for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 There are kickers out there, of course no stars like you listed, but they are there. Could anyone actually do any worse than Lindell at this point? 428182[/snapback] I don't want to go into doom mode, but starting an untested quarterback without a good kicker is iffy at best. Yeah, me and 2,000 other people have said it before. Norwood won a few games for us, back in the day. Wide...(never mind, the unspeakable...) be damned, he was pretty well all of our scoring in more than one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Here's my guess: There are a lot of teams looking for kickers. TD will trade a 6th or 7th & acquire the loser of one of the stronger battles. (Example-Todd France) There is going to be too much competition for the few good available kickers out there to try signing one as a FA.I still don't believe Lindell will be there when we open next Sunday. For his ability, he carries too high a cap # & were not keeping him long enough to have his salary guaranteed for the year. 428185[/snapback] With April's schemes, what effect does introducing a new kicker have this late in the game, if any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 With April's schemes, what effect does introducing a new kicker have this late in the game, if any? 428190[/snapback] More kickoffs & less opponent takes the ball at the spot of the missed kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 More kickoffs & less opponent takes the ball at the spot of the missed kick. 428194[/snapback] True. Sorry for being stupid. Still, there are things besides field goals. (and the occasional worrisome extra point) As the Bills put a lot of emphasis on special teams play, does introducing a new kicker one week out of the opener have any real effect on coverages, on-side kick schemes, etc? Or, is the kicker that irrelevant to the other 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 It all depends on the leg strength of the FG kicker. If he kicks short, I wouldn't be surprised if we switch to Moorman for KO's. That would depend on whether Moorman tells them that it took too much out of him when he did KOs in 2001. If it did, then we could cut one of the last to make it guys & get a KO specialist. Obviously the on side kick game has to start over-but hopefully we won't feel the need to do one for a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndmanley Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 A dependable kicker is even more important because of the way we are going to play this year. We are going to run the football. Control the clock. Play for field position and rely on our defense. We will desperately need all the points we can get. Also, every time Lindell misses a field goal, it will costs us field position. If Lindell stays on this team, he will cost us wins. It is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 Here's my guess: There are a lot of teams looking for kickers. TD will trade a 6th or 7th & acquire the loser of one of the stronger battles. (Example-Todd France) There is going to be too much competition for the few good available kickers out there to try signing one as a FA.I still don't believe Lindell will be there when we open next Sunday. For his ability, he carries too high a cap # & were not keeping him long enough to have his salary guaranteed for the year. 428185[/snapback] i think the bills will stand pat and lindell will be the kicker not just in week 1, but all season........not saying that's a good or a bad thing, but i just don't see them bailing on him at this point........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 i think the bills will stand pat and lindell will be the kicker not just in week 1, but all season........not saying that's a good or a bad thing, but i just don't see them bailing on him at this point........ 428217[/snapback] If he makes it to opening day, we're stuck with him all season. Here are some rules I cut & pasted: Veterans with four years of experience on the roster for the first game are guaranteed their salary for the rest of the season. It's a benefit that players are eligible for just once in their careers. If signed after the first contest, a veteran is entitled to the initial 25 percent of his salary if released, according to an NFL team's salary cap consultant. After the eighth game, the termination pay is one week's salary, up to $20,000. Those factors make it harder for a club with injury problems to pick up a veteran as a short-term fill-in. This is why we must cut Lindell before opening day to realize any savings. Once we keep him & his foot touches a ball on 9/11 he's ours for the season. I still believe he's too overpriced to be here on opening day, but if he is you'll be right about the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 On the kickoffs last night, Lindell put it to the 6 on the first and five yards into the endzone on the second. So far, he's improved on this greatly since last season. Lots of kickers generally get it to about the 15-10 range. As for the Figgies, he doesn't appear to have the consistency. It was my hope that with the newfound power (lack of it was the reason for a lot of his misses last season) he'd handle them better. Here I sit, tho, still hoping.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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