lawnboy1977 Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I have recently become aware of the existence of a man named Fred Phelps, leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, which apparently is run in the basement of his compound in Kansas. I saw him briefly interviewed in the new show 30 Days because he is a major, major anti-gay proponent. Now, I'm not here to start a debate about gay rights or anything, but if you guys are not aware of this man's viewpoints then I'd like to make a few of them available. Let me just state that after reading these quotes I was sick, sick to my stomach knowing that these came from an American, a Kansas born and raised middle American. This group of individuals, who don't even deserve to be called human beings let alone Americans are beyond description of any kind. On the Sept 11th attacks- Phelps' group went to New York City to protest the rescue efforts going on there, mocking victims as they were taken from the rubble, shouting obscenities at rescue workers, and demanding that those still alive be left to die. Phelps reasoned that God had caused the terrorist attacks as a punishment for tolerance of homosexuality, and that it was God's will that those who suffered in the attacks should die. Signs carried at the Ground Zero site included, "THANK GOD FOR SEPT. 11", "FDNY SIN (with a picture of stick-figures engaged in anal sex)", "NYPD FAGS (with a picture of stick-figures engaged in anal sex)", "YOUR PENTAGON IS SQUARE", and "TOWERS CRASH, GOD LAUGHS". On his support of Saddam - In 1997, before the fall of Saddam Hussein during the Iraq War, Phelps wrote him a letter praising his regime, and received special permission from the Iraqi government to send a group of his children to Baghdad to protest against the American government. Hussein granted permission, and a group of WBC congregants traveled to Iraq to protest against the U.S. The parishoners stood on the streets of Baghdad and in heavily patronized Baghdad establishments holding signs reading: GO HOME (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton) BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Hillary Clinton) BABY KILLER (with a cartoon of Bill Clinton) FAG GORE FAG USA= SODOM STOP THE HOLOCAUST (in reference to Phelps' "Topeka Baptist Holocaust" campaign) FAG USA (with a picture of an inverted, burning American flag) USA SIN (with a picture of anatomically incorrect stick figures engaged in anal sex) Phelps mourned the fall of Hussein's regime and has consistently criticized the invasion of Iraq, citing, "IRAQ=USA=SODOM" and keeping a toll on his webpage celebrating the death of every American soldier killed and pronouncing loyalty to Iraq. That's justa few and while hopefully this guy's views are not being spread about too widely, I just though some people might want to know about it. There's a lot more to read on him and his "cult" Fred Phelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 His little group came up here to protest someplace - probably in hopes of recruiting. The media didn't cover it. Loon. Not all free speech is palatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 His messiah even hates Sweden www.godhatessweden.com Finally, a theological reason to hate the Toobies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted July 27, 2005 Author Share Posted July 27, 2005 His messiah even hates Sweden www.godhatessweden.com Finally, a theological reason to hate the Toobies. 391780[/snapback] Yea like I said I was in total shock the more I read about this guy. I mean there's hate speech, and then there is this stuff, which is beyond anything I have ever heard before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Is this the godhatesfags group? Howard Stern had them on. What a bunch of loonies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted July 28, 2005 Author Share Posted July 28, 2005 Is this the godhatesfags group? Howard Stern had them on. What a bunch of loonies. 391795[/snapback] Yes its the same guy that Howard had on, I first saw him on the Morgan Spurlock show on FX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 What a bunch of loonies. 391795[/snapback] Proof that it is possible to be to the right of Wacka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 On the Sept 11th attacks- Phelps' group went to New York City to protest the rescue efforts going on there, mocking victims as they were taken from the rubble, shouting obscenities at rescue workers, and demanding that those still alive be left to die. Phelps reasoned that God had caused the terrorist attacks as a punishment for tolerance of homosexuality, and that it was God's will that those who suffered in the attacks should die. Signs carried at the Ground Zero site included, "THANK GOD FOR SEPT. 11", "FDNY SIN (with a picture of stick-figures engaged in anal sex)", "NYPD FAGS (with a picture of stick-figures engaged in anal sex)", "YOUR PENTAGON IS SQUARE", and "TOWERS CRASH, GOD LAUGHS". 391766[/snapback] I believe in free speech, but you would think that his group would have gotten their asses kicked in NYC for doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I believe in free speech, but you would think that his group would have gotten their asses kicked in NYC for doing this. 391842[/snapback] I get to see the group's antics nearly every day (and yes, they picket nearly every day). He was actually a pretty good civil rights lawyer before he got disbarred. (A federal judge I knew claimed he was the best lawyer that had ever been before him). People have tried to run him out of town, he almost always wins in court though. Those who handle the group the best are those that just ignore them, which is most people here now. Its a good test of the first amendment. A good series of articles: http://cjonline.com/indepth/phelps/ Check out the photo gallery, you'll get to see what we see nearly every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Q: Are you trying to link him to Baptists in general, because he sure as hell doesn't sound like any Baptist I've ever met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I wish a larger group of gays and dykes would just walk up and beat the crap out of them. Kind of like in Shakes The Clown, when the clowns would leap from their cars to beat the crap out of mimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Q: Are you trying to link him to Baptists in general, because he sure as hell doesn't sound like any Baptist I've ever met. 392070[/snapback] Trust me, he's not like many people, baptist or otherwise. He's a unique character in Americana, who's carved out a niche for himself in the area of Nutsiness. I don't know if I'd put him before or after Marshall Applewhite, but they'd be close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I wish a larger group of gays and dykes would just walk up and beat the crap out of them. Kind of like in Shakes The Clown, when the clowns would leap from their cars to beat the crap out of mimes. 392165[/snapback] www.godhatesmimes.com Not really, but the future is clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 I wish a larger group of gays and dykes would just walk up and beat the crap out of them. Kind of like in Shakes The Clown, when the clowns would leap from their cars to beat the crap out of mimes. 392165[/snapback] It's happened before, on several occasions. It just eggs him on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBusBillsFan Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 For my English 110 class we had to do a research paper. I did mine on the Matthew Shepard case and Phelps' group protested at his funeral. They lined the streets of the processional with signs that said "Matthew is in Hell," "God Hates Fags," "He got what he deserved," and so on. When I read that my jaw dropped. It prompted me to do more research and I went to his website. Needless to say, it was pretty effed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Their group was in Massachusetts last June. They were protesting against Catholics & gays. Worst signs were "Pope in Hell" Local Mass. people on the news that day were saying they were better than the protesters & weren't going to do anything against them. Somebody should have beaten the s**t out of them instead of taking the high road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Their group was in Massachusetts last June. They were protesting against Catholics & gays. Worst signs were "Pope in Hell" Local Mass. people on the news that day were saying they were better than the protesters & weren't going to do anything against them. Somebody should have beaten the s**t out of them instead of taking the high road. 392721[/snapback] Ignoring people or being nice to them works. I marched in a pro-Bush rally in downtown SF after the 2000 election. We were totaly peaceful and listened to the cops. One of our group (a woman) got spit on. Did we beat the guy up?-No, we told the cops. When marching we got a lot of birds flipped at us by "tolerant" San Franciscians. What I did was blow kisses and say "Thank You! Yes, we're #1!" You should have seen the look of hate in their eyes when it didn't rile us to violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman's Helmet Posted July 28, 2005 Share Posted July 28, 2005 Like it or not, this is what the first amendment was designed for. They'll get theirs someday, Karma's a B word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Their group was in Massachusetts last June. They were protesting against Catholics & gays. Worst signs were "Pope in Hell" Local Mass. people on the news that day were saying they were better than the protesters & weren't going to do anything against them. Somebody should have beaten the s**t out of them instead of taking the high road. 392721[/snapback] Funny, though, when I say something like that about some leftist loony, I'm called nuts. Double-standard, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 Funny, though, when I say something like that about some leftist loony, I'm called nuts. Double-standard, anyone? 393037[/snapback] That's the thing about looniness, its equal oportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zona Posted July 29, 2005 Share Posted July 29, 2005 They'll get theirs someday, Karma's a B word. 392787[/snapback] I really hope that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 Q: Are you trying to link him to Baptists in general, because he sure as hell doesn't sound like any Baptist I've ever met. 392070[/snapback] Its ludicrous to link this guy to other Baptists, just as it is ludicrous to link all Muslims to Al-queda or link all Irish to the IRA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawnboy1977 Posted July 30, 2005 Author Share Posted July 30, 2005 Funny, though, when I say something like that about some leftist loony, I'm called nuts. Double-standard, anyone? 393037[/snapback] The whole thing with that is you see people on the right who go on tangenst and say horrible things, and the same on the left. But yet both sides say things and do things they say the other side shouldnt do. I think thats why I've aimed to being more centrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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