Do we have to make a choice between effectively running the ball or getting more pass production?

[AKC]

Listening to Josh post Panthers seems to reinforce what it looks like on the field- Josh prefers to pass from shotgun but our running O is better under center. Josh talked about his drops from under center and his lack of trust of his feet being the major problem for him Sunday. Statistically in 25 Josh has a PR of 109.7 from shotgun and that drops to 89.3 under center. On the other hand James Cook is gaining over 5 YPC under center while dropping below 4 from shotgun. Curiously EPA stats suggest in the Panthers game the opposite was true- they have us more effective running from shotgun and more effective passing from under center. I have to presume the successful pitches from shotgun with long gains skew that in favor of shotgun, while the season long stats tell the story differently. 

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, AKC said:

Listening to Josh post Panthers seems to reinforce what it looks like on the field- Josh prefers to pass from shotgun but our running O is better under center. Josh talked about his drops from under center and his lack of trust of his feet being the major problem for him Sunday. Statistically in 25 Josh has a PR of 109.7 from shotgun and that drops to 89.3 under center. On the other hand James Cook is gaining over 5 YPC under center while dropping below 4 from shotgun. Curiously EPA stats suggest in the Panthers game the opposite was true- they have us more effective running from shotgun and more effective passing from under center. I have to presume the successful pitches from shotgun with long gains skew that in favor of shotgun, while the season long stats tell the story differently. 

Great observation, I think this was partially why the pistol was invented. Sort of meets in the middle. Falcons run it more than anybody. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Mikie2times

[ColoradoBills]

43 minutes ago, AKC said:

Listening to Josh post Panthers seems to reinforce what it looks like on the field- Josh prefers to pass from shotgun but our running O is better under center. Josh talked about his drops from under center and his lack of trust of his feet being the major problem for him Sunday. Statistically in 25 Josh has a PR of 109.7 from shotgun and that drops to 89.3 under center. On the other hand James Cook is gaining over 5 YPC under center while dropping below 4 from shotgun. Curiously EPA stats suggest in the Panthers game the opposite was true- they have us more effective running from shotgun and more effective passing from under center. I have to presume the successful pitches from shotgun with long gains skew that in favor of shotgun, while the season long stats tell the story differently. 

 

Let's hope Josh can improve on his "under center" passing numbers.  Having multiple schemes is always better.

It seems to me that defenses would have a hard time defending if all 4 possibilities could be effective.

[reddogblitz]

33 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Let's hope Josh can improve on his "under center" passing numbers.  Having multiple schemes is always better.

It seems to me that defenses would have a hard time defending if all 4 possibilities could be effective.

 

Yeah, the take away from this for me is Josh needs to practice throwing from under center more.

[GroteStreet]

Passing from under center is a basic quarterbacking skill.  

[ICanSleepWhenI'mDead]

No, because if you don't want to choose between running the ball or passing it, you always have the option to punt it.

[co_springs_billsfan]

This should not be a thing in year 8

[Big Blitz]

Mahomes last year was 123 passer rating under center and 89 in shotgun.  

[AKC]

21 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Mahomes last year was 123 passer rating under center and 89 in shotgun.  

And Hunt's 3.9 YPC avg didn't change from under center to shotgun.